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do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space?
    #18877201 - 09/22/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I recently tried psilocybe mushrooms after having months of experience with mescaline and dmt and some experience with acid.

The overall effect was similar to acid and cactus, leaning towards cactus. Except for the background feeling which was much less euphoric than either cactus or acid.

I was told shrooms are similar to dmt in high doses. if I tried a much higher dose, would the mind space of shrooms converge towards that experienced by dmt, or would it be more similar to high doses of cactus or acid, in your opinion/experience?


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18877259 - 09/22/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just to clarify, in my humble opinion, shrooms cactus and acid are all much more similar in effect than dmt is to any of the three. Dmt is characterized by extreme precision of closed eye visuals, and a feeling of being in a separate realm, that the room you're in is transforming into that realm that you sometimes visit. the other three classical psychedelics are not like that at all, more like a colorful little hubby hole in my own mind that I visit on those three substances


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18877278 - 09/22/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I bail out on mushies in high doses, i could take way higher doses of LSD or mescaline before higher doses of shrooms. In higher doses IME they become very weird dissoactive unlike any other NDMA dissoactive (i prob spelled that wrong). I wont dose much higher than 5 grams these days but thats me. Theirs almost no lucidity in mushroom trips.

Id say its fair to say mushies is far more DMT like because i always thought mescaline felt like acid to me and nothing like shrooms but thats my 2cents.


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: MescalitoMagnality]
    #18877311 - 09/22/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The actual background feeling was vaguely like a low dose of dmt, but I'd say the background feeling of cactus is completely unique lol. Very lovely


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18877504 - 09/22/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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MagicalOrangutan said:
The actual background feeling was vaguely like a low dose of dmt, but I'd say the background feeling of cactus is completely unique lol. Very lovely



I just noticed that you need to update your sig  :smile:


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #18877562 - 09/22/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yes, high doses of psilocin will have you in the nexus for few hours. It's intense and less euphoric, but you'll forget that you're human, and become immobilized colors. All I saw and thought was a system of colors on 45mg of 4-AcO-DMT(gets converted to psilocin when exposed to water).


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: Q-T]
    #18879295 - 09/23/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would say that high doses, especially picked fresh and eaten that day IME are a lot like DMT, like a 60mg smoked trip.  If you go in with an intention, and you grew the shrooms yourself, you will go into that space, if that is what you are seeking.  IME the shrooms respond best to the grower, after all, you brought them into this world and gave them life, they just want to repay the favor.  The longevity in relation to DMT is why I like it, I can explore a bit more, and take something away.  Thats not to say it is less scary, it can be knee shaking at times, but that is why I suggest growing them, because when it gets to that point, you can say to them (this is a trick I learned from McKenna) "Please, enough of that. Comfort me now, thats too much, you can't do that to me, I brought you here, I'm the grower" 
I know it sounds weird, but this trick works ESPECIALLY for the grower, and ESPECIALLY eaten fresh.  They are an organism with a mind of their own, and that mind in a weird way is still alive on a biological level when eaten fresh.


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18879464 - 09/23/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The active principle of mushrooms differs from DMT by the insertion of a single oxygen atom.

You can bet that if you take a lot of shrooms it will be very much like DMT.  But!  Go to my journal and read "dark side of the shroom" which will show you that taking high doses of shrooms may not be a good idea.


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: Asante]
    #18879634 - 09/23/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The active principle of mushrooms differs from DMT by the insertion of a single oxygen atom.

You can bet that if you take a lot of shrooms it will be very much like DMT.  But!  Go to my journal and read "dark side of the shroom" which will show you that taking high doses of shrooms may not be a good idea.




Not saying there's no credit to those stories... It's definitely something to be aware of, but not entirely common. Regardless though, I can't advocate for taking enough of any psychedelic to reach the mindstate of DMT. IMO it's either dose long OR dose hard, not both. Those long deep trips can be absolute psychological trainwrecks


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18879652 - 09/23/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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IMO it's either dose long OR dose hard, not both. Those long deep trips can be absolute psychological trainwrecks





100% agreed.


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: Q-T]
    #18879666 - 09/23/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Q-T said:
Oh yes, high doses of psilocin will have you in the nexus for few hours. It's intense and less euphoric, but you'll forget that you're human, and become immobilized colors. All I saw and thought was a system of colors on 45mg of 4-AcO-DMT(gets converted to psilocin when exposed to water).




Society has changed being human anyway :smile:

Being human means to live as thoughts/desires/emotions nowadays, we're machines

It is a good idea to reconsider what being human means to you :-)

Suddenly you find out and remember that less is more


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: lessismore]
    #18880970 - 09/23/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you guys are for sure all right, high doses can be terrifying, tragic, abysmal.  and society has changed the way humans are.  both of those things said, I'd still advocate, for the right person, a high dose experience.  Not a crazy dose, but something like the traditional 5g. shrooms McKenna was known to suggest.
That fear (which is not a bad thing) is a sign of being in the presence of the truly alien, the truly weird, the truly inspired.  A sign of courage.  As we look back throughout history, there are countless anecdotes from religions, spiritual traditions, psychologists, alchemists, etc that suggest fear as being one of the sine-quo-non of a god-like encounter (god, God, Gaia, Buddha, the over mind, the collective Unconciouss, whatever you want to call it) for spiritual, mystical experiences.  Life is not a feather bed we fall safely down the bottom on.  Leap and the net appears, the parachute opens, be it an hour in (very relieving) or 6 or more hours in (very frightening).  Again, this is not for everyone, but there are those few, self selected or traditionally selected that may act or function as a shaman.  Going into those realms, seeing the territory, and bringing back maps that can help transform, will help transform, and have historically helped transform our language and notion of reality.  Low doses are great as well, but we must not write the high dose off as a thing of the past, or as a dangerous experience too great to be taken under by any one or several individuals.  Both experiences have great things to teach is you are willing to learn.
I love talking about this stuff, there is no wrong answer, and its all based on anecdotal experiences gathered from trip reports and dreamers worldwide.  Its a global undertaking that started at the beginning of history and will end upon history's completion, or it will go on indeterminately.  Psychedelics give us a chance to break down the walls of our language, to see the unspeakable, and we must not fall back.  Nature loves courage, nature thrives on courage.  We wouldn't be here if our ancestors, ALL of them, had not had the courage to keep going, through all 9 glaciations, separating our human group into small pockets, no antibiotics, no electricity, no maps, etc. They went through war, famine, disease, pestilence and got us HERE.  Sorry, don't know how/why I got onto that..I'll stop now haha.


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Re: do high dose shroom trips converge towards the dmt mind space? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #18881604 - 09/23/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just eat 10gs dry and find out it is pretty crazy from my exp


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