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Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens
    #18876012 - 09/22/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



I started an outdoor bed last year in the fall months, were i live this is possible because it does not get down to freezing temp until jan or feb....SO i used Azurescens and Cyanescens spawn on corn.    Put down boards of plywood, layed fresh aspen pet bedding in top. soaked all that. Then took my AZURE spawn and psiolcybe CYAN spawn and mixed them up and evenly racked them across the area, then Topped with more aspen shavings. Then came mixed hard wood chips about 2 inched of. Then cased with humus rich soil.  After the fall and winter (during which I watered frequently) I was happy for summer to come so I could take a look at how the mycelium was spreading. Well It is extremely happy and so thick I had to use a shovel to cut down a get a piece out to look at. About 1 to 2 inches under the humus and woodchips is a matt of mycelium that is as solid and beautiful as anything i have seen.........jump forward..........The patches were watered every other week through summer, so they got water either from nature of by me about every week maybe a few weeks with no water here and there.......IT is NOW TIME........It is SEPTEMBER...and the temps are starting to drop, fruiting temps will be here by end of october ,,,November, maybe even december depending on nature. We tend to have quite mild winter but can get down into freezing temps rather quick and unexpected...so this is my question.........Will my patch's fruit even though they are mixed, cyan and azure,  I figured with some scientific research to back it up , that this would be very possible and no problem, because even in nature GALERINA AUTUMNALIS invades Psilocybe cyanescens patch's all the time and grow from the same substrate and fruit right next to each other.


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms]
    #18876252 - 09/22/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

curious to see updates to this post when/if they fruit. I have been wanting to try something similar with edible mushrooms for a while now. Haven't gotten around to it though. I fear the two species may just fight one another over the available resources, but perhaps they can grow along side/through/around one another quite well.


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms]
    #18877727 - 09/22/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Depending on conditions, outdoor azure and/or cyan beds rarely fruit the first year.  They take three to four years here to fruit the first time, but we're already getting freezing weather.

I doubt mixing them will make any difference.  They're very close to being the same species and occupy similar habitats.
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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18884259 - 09/24/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you both for your replies. 
Rodger Rabbit:      My patch's are not actually first year as most would put it.......

Most first year patch's are started in spring...That is the mycelium/spawn is mixed with the woodchips outdoors and allowed to colonize and then fruit that fall if all goes well. I have seen many logs were people have been successful with traditional first year fruitings. 

  My patch's are more like 2nd year patch's. because of the length of time they have spent colonizing and the different weather/seasons they have already been through before fruiting...    Like I said.      I started the spawn is spring, colonized for a couple months, then after achieving the amount that was wanted august arrived.  August here is still hot......So the patch was actually initially started more so in august now that i think more about it, So the patch's had, august, september, october, November, to colonize...then december , jan and feb, and march they most likely slowed way down.
  Then came there first spring, which went great, The mycelium had grown up through the initial layers june and more wood was added with more humus soil. That also colonized well by august.  So now its september, the patch is still colonizing...    SO in a traditional sense this is not a first year patch,  its a FULL YEAR patch,,,which allows for a very large bed to establish its mycelium network, which to my surprise the weather and rain were absolutely perfect and the mycelium went at lightning speeds eating....  Anyway, I checked the average temps year round here in zone 7b, at the base of the Appalachian mountains and from the averages and my experience night time temps will be perfect for fruiting starting mid OCT and FRUITING should occur from end of october through NOV , DEC, JAN and march. The weather should be rainy and temps should stay at high 30's at night all winter and low 40 to mid 50's by march, and steadily increase from there.  Our weather here is very similar to Seattle weather, To my surprise, I lived in seattle for a number of years, and I just could not believe the amount of rain we are getting in my new home land. The temps are also mild like PNW was, except the winters seem to be warmer with snow rarely falling but the lows usually never dropping below 30 farenheit.  SO WE WILL C  I WILL KEEP U ALL UPDATED         

  ALSO      THERE ARE 4 more patch's that are not mixed........So something should happen this year!!!!!!!!  fingers crossed.......If not  I guess Ill have some dank mycelium to take with me where ever I go.....or hell,,,,,,,,,myc syringes.........lol  jk..................we are all fictional writers are we not?    Thanks all. and will p;st pics...


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms]
    #18884294 - 09/24/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Since you're in a warmer climate zone now, it might just work this year.  It will be interesting to see how they do from year to year.
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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18885283 - 09/24/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Depending on conditions, outdoor azure and/or cyan beds rarely fruit the first year.




My heart sank like a stone when I read that. :rolleyes:

I hate it when you spend weeks or months on something with the expectation of a certain turnout only to find out at the moment of truth.... that you're only half way there!!

Hopefully you get at least a small reward for your efforts this year, if nothing else!


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: hidyn]
    #18889687 - 09/25/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I feel ya hydyn ,  I WOULD be SO FRUSTRATED IF THEY DID NOT FRUIT THIS YEAR............    IF i had start the patch this past spring and had hopes of it colonizing and fruiting by the fall ,,,,well    that would not piss me off......  BUT WE R TALKING about patch's that have had a year to colonize...  a full year,,,  not just a spring and summer.....   

Like said above.........AUGUST the beds were made and spawn was mixed and lay ed on top the plywood and covered with aspen shavings, Then wood chips of various types and topped with humus..That winter  growth was extremely slow but it was mild that year and the beds colonized a bit.....Then spring and and BOOOOOOM they took off,,,, I had to add more aspen, more chips and more humus. They had Aug, oct, nov, dec, jan, feb, march, april, may, june, July , august and september to colonize and BOY DID THEY..... I cannot see them colonizing anymore,,,, So if they do not fruit this winter it will be because of Temps not getting into the low 50's and 40's at night.............. But that happens every year and always will.....but what really got me excited was the fact that snow is rare and patch's have an extremely long fruiting season........it should stay about high 50's low 60's during day, and low 40's high 30's all winter until spring....which in theory would allow for many flush's, From what I have read beds in PNW and else where with similar weather, like oregon, the beds can fruit up to 4 times........So there they get way below freezing by january ,,,,,  here  they are safe to keep on fruiting.......SO if they do fruit.........WE R IN FOR A SHOW>>>>>>>>>>let me tell ya.....NATURE HAS PRODUCED A MIXED CYAN AZURE BED VERY LARGE< AND 4 more decent patch's........SO everyone send good vibes my way....:mushroom2:


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms]
    #18890063 - 09/25/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Very interesting , I don't get your hopes up to much on fruit in your first year . It took my cyans bed over a year to produce fruit . If it does not fruit this season don;t give up . Feed it some more woodchip in the spring ,water when you have a long dry spell . I hope for your sake you see fruit . Sending good vibes buddy , chin up.
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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: mandrax360]
    #18891445 - 09/25/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't feed it more wood chips.  It will take several years to consume what's already there, so it's best not to ask the mycelium to start over.
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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18892645 - 09/26/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cool, Well I truly appreciate everyone giving me there advice and input on the subject,  BUT      WE  NEVER ACTUALLY ANSWERED THE REAL QUESTION which is my fault........lol......we always get  side tracked.....

    My original quest.  was if  anyone has personally seen pictures or heard of cyans fruiting in the same homemade patch as azures????  no one said yes I have seen this,,,,,SO THis could be a first if it works?? idk, gonna have to wait to see if it fruits and then I am sure someone else has done the same........


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18892653 - 09/26/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I doubt mixing them will make any difference.  They're very close to being the same species and occupy similar habitats.
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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms]
    #18892661 - 09/26/13 04:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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iatebadshrooms said:
    My original quest.  was if  anyone has personally seen pictures or heard of cyans fruiting in the same homemade patch as azures????  no one said yes I have seen this,,,,,SO THis could be a first if it works?? idk, gonna have to wait to see if it fruits and then I am sure someone else has done the same........




Sporulator grows azurs, alleni, cyans, and ovoids together so I'm pretty sure yours will work too.

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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: MacMerdin]
    #18895427 - 09/26/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, of course they'll work together.  In nature thousands of species occupy the same real estate.
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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18897721 - 09/27/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks all, I feel much better, Now I am not an amature, But It was very hard to find hardcore proof pictures of azure and cyans fruiting together in the same patch, but I finally found an old pic on a website from what looks to be a wild patch of cyanescens and azures in oregon growing together in the same patch, seemed to me it was in dune grass......for sure the 80's or 70's, this pic was old, but that is hardcore proof to me,      again thanks all, I feel much better about this year.


    Now if you all want to comfort me some more here is another concern. The patches were doing very well mid summer, so I was afraid the food may run out, i mixed in more wood chips humus and food (lignin rich) into the patchs using a shovel, this of course broke up lots of the network, well, My beds are much healthier in the spots i did not touch, and I did a few tests spots to check the mycelium, I dug down with a knife to see any mycelium, it has thinned out dramatically into the soil,,,,,,I hope my ratio of soil to wood chips is not off too much........SO MANY THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT.....lol.........This is also my first wood lover patch......so....anyway....I feel this is advanced do to the mixing of species in the patch and the fact it is being cultivated way outside its normal range........so Ill keep posting questions here for those who r willing to help........Anyway back to quest.......I have been looking at many pictures of natural patches and to me, it appears very little mycelium is actually needed, for instance, P. Azurescens grow from what I believe is tiny sticks and roots of dune grass, underneath 6- a foot of sand or soil mix on the coast....Also the cyanescens I have seen wild growing from what is mostly just soil and much less buried wood. Also you have the grass variety Cyanescens that fruit from the roots of grass and feed off the nutrients, I believe there are at least two ways to cultivate azurescens and cyanescens, either with lots of wood and soil......or  just allot of dead grass buried in dirt where the mycelium takes hold and converts that dead grass and roots into food then back into dirt, like a give and take relation ship....I believe the azure and cyan patch's that grow from just grass and soil take allot longer to establish and fruit....but I do not believe that in nature cyans and azure really need a BEAUTIFUL white patch of wood chips, solid white......with mycelium to fruit.......Like many peeps say,,,,,those type of patches seem to only fruit where they meet the dirt or grass any way.......So I am just a " new mother" I guess, lots to fear much to anticipate......So  time will tell, but Next go around, instead of using the same tech for many patch's,    I will try every known tech there is for outdoor woodies.......that is.........solid wood chip patch, then wood chip patch thin layer of soil or casing,,,,,,then also more interesting,  The row technique where u dig down a tiny ditch, fill with wood chips spawn and top with soil and harvest like little rows of cyans....that seems to me that it may come out the winner as far as fruits produced and how easy it is.  and of course ill make the more natural patch's,  lots of humus, wood chips all mixed up,,,,,,,,and I would also like to try a bed with the lots of humus , wood chips all mixed, but then add a grass casing.......That type of bed I believe will also be a great producer...........so what is that, 5 different ways.......and there is a sixth....but that requires using only, dead dune grasses natural to oregon, growing them, and burrying them with a bit of spawn. and probably repeating this until you get fruit......So the bed would most ideally be located by a water source, out in the open where it recieves moisture , fog, wind, all that what a coastal area provides,  You would have to make mounds of dune grass, mixed with some spawn........who knows...many ways to try


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms]
    #18898605 - 09/27/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting thread.
I have 6 patches going since this spring.
One azur and one cyan patch in the woods about one meter apart.
One azur and one cyan patch in raised beds in my backyard, seperated by a 18 mm ply board.
And one azur and one cyan patch at a friends house, in open ground but without a seperating wall.

What I noticed, before you would think I was hijacking this thread, is that the cyan spawn grows incredibly quick and the azurs seem to be a little more picky about where they are placed.

The azur patch in the woods is a solid block of myc.
All cyan patches are solid blocks of myc.
The azur patch in my backyard has dwindled very much.

The patch at my friends place was 100cm (40') by 40 cm (15') and it didn't have a divide between them, azurs left halve, cyans right halve.
This patch is now also a solid block of myc.
My concern is that the fast growing cyans have completely overrun the more "picky" azurs.
Time will tell and I will let you know.

I do understand there are a lot of variables unaccounted for in the aformentioned growing experiments. I used birch chips, beds are 6' deep 20' long and 15' wide, bottom covered with soaked cardboard, top and bottom complemented with forest humus, used a little less than 1 qt spawn per bed.

There is one thing that does seem to benefit the growth of both cyans and azurs and that is patches of living moss on top of the patch.
My backyard raised bed patches are one halve covered with moss to see if there would be a difference. And the azurs seem to be less dwindling underneath the moss halve. Again time will tell.

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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: shrgr]
    #18902709 - 09/28/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I look foward to seeing this progress.


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: Lennybernadino]
    #18905935 - 09/29/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Beautiful shrgr,

Should I post pics of these patch's I talk about, Yall would not be very WOW'ed, My patches are much darker, The soil , humus enriched, mixed with the darker wood and leaf, and twig, well, it mostly looks like the ground!!!  lol,,    but anyway, I find it amazing you have moss growing on your bed, That will hold in moisture!

  I have found that my azure and cyan beds are eating and expanding at the same rate,  I have no knowledge of the cyans taking over the azure mixed bed, but this could be very possible, its almost time,,,,,  The beds here should fruit end of this month, all the way up until Feb.  So I will not know if this is successful or not until feb. unlike many peeps in PNW if this year weather is norm. your outdoor mushies will be done by january in most places..and first to fruit, like now~~  I  would imagine......one advantage I do have is the fact that the patch's can be watered.......A few times during the summer the rain was so heavy the patch's drowned.........but all r raised a bit so they drain good, but still...........Anyway, feel free to post any up dates here, Cant wait to see your pins and a mixed bed, yours should fruit before these over here in SW Appalachia...


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms]
    #18905944 - 09/29/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IF I DO not get fruits this year, I will be sure to post many pictures of the dimantling of half of each patch, Taking the mycelium with me,,,,,No way is this guy restarting a year old project. The mycelium will probably stay with me until my dying days....lol......every time I move I will carry with me, two coolers loaded with mycelium woodchips, and fresh soaked chopped cardboard..........all to start again........BUT That is just one possible future.....Well ....I will for sure take half of the woodchips with me when I do go,  and I hope that whoever moves in, takes care of the beds,,,,,,,,OH YES<<<<<ONE THING I HAVE DONE TO ENSURE THE EVERLASTING FOOD SOURCE FOR THE AZURES AND CYANS<,,,,,,I TOTALLY FORGot to mention this....very important ...............I put chopped hardwood fire wood, 3 halfed logs about 3 foot each...it was bound to be fire wood,,,but now its a burried source of long term food, so the mycelium can travel down a bit,,,,,and eat those logs for years and years and years to come.....I actually layed my spawn all over the logs in two of the patches,,,,then on top of that was a mix of wood chips and humus soil,,,then more chips,,,soil,,,ect......  anyway.........PICs next........hopefullly from someone...


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms]
    #18906103 - 09/29/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Every time you screw with your patch, you set it back one to two years.  Leave it alone if you ever expect results.  I have some 6 year old patches and nearly all the original chips of wood are still 80% or more there.  You don't need to add wood chips or anything else after you make up the beds.
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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18906485 - 09/29/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

RR, That statement.......IF YOU MESS WITH YOUR BEDS AT ALL YOU SET THEM BACK A YEAR>....just broke my heart........So I have one azure bed, and one cyan bed,,,I added humus and some more tiny chips too............that was a couple months ago.......Yeah, I can see it affecting the fruiting of the areas that were touched.....but there are bigger border areas where the mycelium is really healthy and I dont see why it would not fuit,,it was not touched for a year,,full year...Also, I have the mixed bed of cyan and azure which has sat for a year, and sat for the last 4 months not touched at all,,,and another azure and cyan same.....So sumthings gotta happen here...........

Supprisingly I also last summer, Made a dark Weilii spore solution and poured it all over my area,,,,no fruits came about,,,,But its funny,,I burried about 2 quarts of contaminated spawn under 6 inches of clay last year and that ended up fruiting decent 2 months after it was burried...lol......I find it hard to believe the honey water, mixed with millions of spores didnt work yet,,,,well maybe give it a few years.....the mycelium may still be establishing......actually,,,,i have a good feeling it is......I have seen WEillii mycelium travel TEN FEET FROM A PATCH that was made,,,,and fruit.........Myc sends out ropes right through the dirt farther than anything i have seen and will send up fruits where it sees fit...so Actually maybe next year sumthing will pop up,,,or year after.........Im only an hour and a half east of weilii country........so they would do well here,,,if they no here already!!!


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms] * 1
    #19000216 - 10/19/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well, no mixed bed yet but there are some pins.
It's still early though.
Started this bed end of april.



My cyan spawn is extremely aggressive.
I made a bed in the end of august and it was colonized at the end of september!?
Also I could've been smarter than to use plywood to board the bed with: It's just growing through it!?



Also, slugs are eating at my shrooms. LOL. Those must be some spaced out slugs.



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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: shrgr]
    #19003418 - 10/20/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Absolutely beautiful!
also looks like some sphagnum peat moss there which holds like 80 times its weight in water which should be very good for them there


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: shrgr]
    #19012156 - 10/22/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good job with the moss layer, i might give that a go.


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: G a n j a]
    #19018676 - 10/23/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think I got them mixed up. Left, right, right, left.
If some one could confirm I think this is Azurescens in this picture.



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Just goes to show how easy to mix up.


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: shrgr] * 1
    #19101270 - 11/07/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

here r the first pins on my mixed bed, IDK if they r Cyan or azure yet,,,,they seems small to me....but  god knows woodlovers grow slow.....so Im sure they will take about 2 weeks to mature.......But IM HAPPY!!!! first woody grow, over a year coming man, finally.......Pins should be popping up allot in the weeks to come.....


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms]
    #19102546 - 11/07/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Very nice.  We've had snow cover here for a month, so everything is done.  It's good to see they'll grow out your way.
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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19107349 - 11/08/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

sweet i wanna do an outside bed someday. really awesome job


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: shopdropper]
    #19109541 - 11/09/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Got a few aborts on the bed, But more pins popping up,

Thinking about taking a clear plastic tarp, Fixing so that it sits about 5 inches above the substrate allowing the sun to heat it up a bit, also keeping in humidity and keeping the bugs and chipmunks out!!!!!    A freeze is coming, the next few nights will be freezing temps, Although this does not kill the fruiting season here, it may kill the small pins, the older shrooms will be okay, and The bed should continue to fruit  all winter as long as the temps stay right where they need to be.  The fruiting has started, they got there food, I provide the water, I hope that they flush many times, but I cannot seem to find any solid information on whether or not a cyanescens,,azurescens will flush multiple times giving the time and right conditions......any input on that anyone?????


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iatebadshrooms]
    #19113222 - 11/10/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely cyanescens







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Got a few aborts on the bed, But more pins popping up,

Thinking about taking a clear plastic tarp, Fixing so that it sits about 5 inches above the substrate allowing the sun to heat it up a bit, also keeping in humidity and keeping the bugs and chipmunks out!!!!!    A freeze is coming, the next few nights will be freezing temps, Although this does not kill the fruiting season here, it may kill the small pins, the older shrooms will be okay, and The bed should continue to fruit  all winter as long as the temps stay right where they need to be.  The fruiting has started, they got there food, I provide the water, I hope that they flush many times, but I cannot seem to find any solid information on whether or not a cyanescens,,azurescens will flush multiple times giving the time and right conditions......any input on that anyone?????




As far as I've read, they will just keep growing as long as the right conditions are met. Seasonally bound, that is.
Your grow is awesome, can't wait to see what they are.
Keep us informed.


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Re: Mixed Psilocybe Azurescens bed with psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: shrgr]
    #19185152 - 11/25/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I mix things too. :smile:
I have a few P ovoid/ allennii ,
P subaeruginosa/ weraroa,
P sub/ serbica ,
P azurescen/P ovoid/P cyanescen

Nice looking patches , the moss is really cool. I may try that too! :thumbup:


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