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is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? UPDATE: it's fruiting now!
    #18873468 - 09/21/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I spawned to this tub on 9/8 so it's been colonizing for 2 weeks. it's been hard to tell if it's actually progressing anymore for the last few days (this might be a result of not mixing thoroughly enough). I was really hoping to have this tub harvested by 10/5 for an event I was planning to attend, but with how long this is taking to colonize I'm starting to really cut it close. it doesn't look 100% to me, maybe closer to like 85-90%.



so my question to you guys: would you expect contam problems if I were to put it into fruiting conditions right now? I know ideally I would let it reach 100% colonization then wait a few more days for consolidation. however, I don't mind a reduced harvest if it means getting the first flush harvested in time for 10/5.

sorry the pictures aren't great, this is the best I could manage without opening the tub.

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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18875513 - 09/22/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

anyone? :stars:


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18875558 - 09/22/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I would fruit it if it were mine probably especially after 2 weeks. I would also wait for someone else to give an opinion though I've only done bulk a handful of times.


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18875734 - 09/22/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I would fruit it if it were mine probably especially after 2 weeks. I would also wait for someone else to give an opinion though I've only done bulk a handful of times.



thanks dude! hopefully I can get a few more people weighing in. this is my first bulk grow so I don't know nearly enough to feel confident with either decision :lol:


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18875742 - 09/22/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I can't really see it well but it looks like it should be left a few days. Needs to consolidate. The shrooms tell u when they're ready. A good indicator is seeing pins before you fruit.


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: Mad Season]
    #18876143 - 09/22/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I can't really see it well but it looks like it should be left a few days. Needs to consolidate. The shrooms tell u when they're ready. A good indicator is seeing pins before you fruit.



I am definitely willing to do this if necessary. if you had to guess though (and I realize it's impossible to be accurate), when is the latest I'd be able to introduce it to fruiting conditions and still get some fruits in time for 10/5?

I think I remember almost a week passing before I saw pins with BRF cakes, and maybe another 3-4 days before they were ready to be picked. so using extremely inexact science, I'd have to introduce fruiting conditions here in the next 2 days or so if I was going to make my target.

ultimately though I'm willing to miss the goal if it's the only way I'll get anything :biggrin:


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: Mad Season]
    #18876166 - 09/22/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I can't really see it well but it looks like it should be left a few days. Needs to consolidate. The shrooms tell u when they're ready. A good indicator is seeing pins before you fruit.




Outdated info.

Consolidation is for highly nutritious substrates like BRF + verm. The myc needs time to digest the substrate.

However, bulk is low nutrient and will perform better when fruited at 100%. Since FAE is the number one pinning trigger, there is no reason to wait to see pins.

OP, your tub is not at 100%. Wait until it is completely covered in white.

If it looks like that after two weeks, there may be an issue. How did you prepare the grains and the substrate?


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18876377 - 09/22/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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OP, your tub is not at 100%. Wait until it is completely covered in white.

If it looks like that after two weeks, there may be an issue. How did you prepare the grains and the substrate?



for the grains I followed RR's 5 Steps to Perfect Grain Spawn video pretty much to the T. the jars took 2-3 weeks to fully colonize. I used 2.5 quarts of spawn.

my substrate preparation was a little more suspect. it's coir/verm (+ gypsum) exactly as described in damion5050's coir thread. I used bucket pasteurization, and I also ended up having to add more substrate than I had expected to reach the desired depth in the tub. I'm worried the spawn ratio may be a little low, but I don't have exact numbers on hand.

for what it's worth, I'm using a smaller tub (27qt). I have it sitting in my sunroom 24/7 with the shades closed. the temperature in my place tends to range from 74-76F. I was wondering if it's possible that too much moisture escaped through the lid imperfections, though I've read many times that imperfect lids are actually desirable. here's some pics both without and with flash:



as an aside, I'm glad to see you here Frank, as I've been reading tons and tons of your threads over the last month or two. you've certainly got my respect :thumbup: ...although I wish you were here to offer brighter news!


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18877485 - 09/22/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

one thing I just noticed... I can see tiny beads of water all over the surface of the substrate. I assume it's dripping down from the lid, which has quite a lot of condensation on it. could that be an issue, or is that normal?


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18877577 - 09/22/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I bet you didn't evenly mix your spawn and substrate as I detail here, did you?

That will result in your slow colonization.

Let it go until 100%.

Condensation on the surface is completely normal. It is because your mycelium generates a bit of heat.


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18877640 - 09/22/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I am inclined to think you're right that I didn't mix it enough. I'm guessing what happened is that the substrate I added last didn't get mixed as well as the stuff before it. if so, the top would obviously have far less spawn. I get nervous when doing something like this for the first time, and when I get nervous I get careless.

anyway, thanks man! I'll just let it sit a few more days and keep an eye on it then. not too torn up about missing that date.


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18889956 - 09/25/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

so it's been about 3 days... here's where it's at. there's been a slight improvement, but it's still not pure white like the average pics I see on here. again, sorry for the crappy pics, but it's hard without opening the tub:




I've noticed what looks like some knotting/growths starting to appear though. don't have enough experience to say what it is for sure, but there's definitely a few vertical growths of some kind:



what do you guys think? let it go a few more days still? it doesn't seem like it's ever going to hit 100% for some reason, but I'm the noob here, so I am all ears!


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18890037 - 09/25/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you can open the tub just dont open it alot.


your able to open it and peek in/ snap a photo.


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: nepter627]
    #18890112 - 09/25/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

alright, I trusted you on that one :biggrin: here's some new pics, without and with flash:



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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: nepter627]
    #18890130 - 09/25/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Open it, take a peek and a decent photo. You can't see what's happening properly through all the condensation.

Also - that looks like a pin in the pic?! If so then go ahead and fruit it as I understand it as it won't be colonizing any more - 100% colonization (being able to colonize as much as possible - contams can get in the way of it "looking" 100%) is a major pinning trigger :thumbup:


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: Skinty]
    #18890145 - 09/25/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

dont quote me on this but i would put it to fruit.


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: nepter627]
    #18890540 - 09/25/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

alright, I'll go ahead and fruit it tomorrow then if nobody else objects. i'll give it one more night for a last ditch effort to finish off the remaining spots.

just to make sure I have the mono fruiting process down...

  • 6500K bulb hanging above (slightly to the side) on 12 on/off interval
  • fan on, set to low, pointing anywhere other than directly at the tub
  • bottom holes stuffed tight with polyfill, top holes stuffed much more loosely
  • adjust top holes as needed if RH appears off

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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18890570 - 09/25/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It doesn't look like it's ready. It's still brownish and could probably wait a few more days. Wait til it's like pure white and looking sexy. Honestly you might get pins before then. Just fruit it if so but it looks to me like it could wait a few more days before exploding.


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: Mad Season]
    #18890806 - 09/25/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It doesn't look like it's ready. It's still brownish and could probably wait a few more days. Wait til it's like pure white and looking sexy. Honestly you might get pins before then. Just fruit it if so but it looks to me like it could wait a few more days before exploding.



is it possible that it will just never reach 100% for some reason?  I am looking at pics from ~1.5 weeks ago and it looks like it has barely progressed in that time. the first week I saw it spreading rapidly, but now it seems like it's pretty much stopped. I smelled it when I opened it up and it smells great, and I don't see any signs of contamination, but I'm wondering if that's somehow what's keeping it from finishing off the rest of the tub.


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Re: is this tub colonized enough for fruiting? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18890818 - 09/25/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

just fruit it.

it will continue colonizing while its fruiting i believe


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