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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18875134 - 09/22/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I read The Forerunner by Kahlil Gibran this morning, then stumbled upon this thread and these two pieces popped back into mind...

Perhaps someone here will appreciate them.



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THE DYING MAN AND THE VULTURE


Wait, wait yet awhile, my eager friend.
I shall yield but too soon this wasted thing,
Whose agony overwrought and useless
Exhausts your patience.
I would not have your honest hunger
Wait upon these moments:
But this chain, though made of breath,
Is hard to break.
And the will to die,
Stronger than all things strong,
Is stayed by a will to live
Feebler than all things feeble.
Forgive me, comrade; I tarry too long.
It is memory that holds my spirit;
A procession of distant days,
A vision of youth spent in a dream,
A face that bids my eyelids not to sleep,
A voice that lingers in my ears,
A hand that touches my hand.
Forgive me that you have waited too long.
It is over now, and all is faded:
The face, the voice, the hand and the mist that brought them hither.
The knot is untied.
The cord is cleaved.
And that which is neither food nor drink is withdrawn.
Approach, my hungry comrade;
The board is made ready.
And the fare, frugal and spare,
Is given with love.
Come, and dig your beak here, into the left side,
And tear out of its cage this smaller bird,
Whose wings can beat no more:
I would have it soar with you into the sky.
Come now, my friend, I am your host tonight,
And you my welcome guest.




BEYOND MY SOLITUDE


      Beyond my solitude is another solitude, and to him who dwells therein my aloneness is a crowded market-place and my silence a confusion of sounds.
      Too young am I and too restless to seek that above-solitude. The voices of yonder valley still hold my ears and its shadows bar my way and I cannot go.
      Beyond these hills is a grove of enchantment and to him who dwells therein my peace is but a whirlwind and my enchantment an illusion.
      Too young am I and too riotous to seek that sacred grove. The taste of blood is clinging in my mouth, and the bow and the arrows of my fathers yet linger in my hand and I cannot go.
      Beyond this burdened self lives my freer self; and to him my dreams are a battle fought in twilight and my desires the rattling of bones.
      Too young am I and too outraged to be my freer self.
      And how shall I become my freer self unless I slay my burdened selves, or unless all men become free?
      How shall the eagle in me soar against the sun until my fledglings leave the nest which I with my own beak have built for them?





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Re: happy endings [Re: Memories]
    #18875658 - 09/22/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Memories said:
Quote:

Kickle said:
but in the end i don't think existence is particularly enjoyable as a whole. we come into the world screaming and crying for the most part and then we struggle against circumstances for quite a while trying to make it better, finding some relief here and there but never for long, and then eventually we can't even really struggle for better any longer and finally the inevitable happens; we die.





It's this thinking that makes it hard for me to care about trying to 'make something of myself'. You work your ass off for fleeting pleasure, and after the initial self-satisfied rush, you quickly acclimate to your new environment and hope to find the next source of that ego inflating rush.

I've seen so many examples of this in miserable yet wealthy men.




Yeah I've been wondering recently if I'd even want to become wealthy, say I was offered a record contract today with millions of dollars in the loop. What do I do then?


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Re: happy endings [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18875682 - 09/22/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Take it of course. Just because you have money doesn't mean you'll be unhappy.


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Re: happy endings [Re: Icelander]
    #18875726 - 09/22/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well I would take it, but there would need to be some new purpose to drive my life. It sure wouldn't be philanthropy, I won't contribute to this intellectually delinquent species well being


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Re: happy endings [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18875865 - 09/22/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'd buy a very nice private ranch and hang out with my friends and dogs and do lots of hiking and fishing.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: happy endings [Re: Icelander]
    #18876124 - 09/22/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's essentially what I would do, just sort of realized over the past few months that all my goals in life were artificial constructions based on false ideologies. All that's left which makes sense to me is hedonism, its probably the best or must realistic goal but will take some time to adjust to I think

Happy ending?


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Re: happy endings [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18876182 - 09/22/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Happy for some.  I think I'd be happy most of the time.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18880859 - 09/23/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

As a LaVeyan Satanist and a realist I believe that there is only the now. There is no end except for death... which means that in order for me to have a happy ending I have to do as much as I can in the life that I have so I will feel accomplished when I am done. There is nothing wrong with looking back at past successes so long as they don't cloud your ability to look forward.

Our parents gave us life, our bodies will give us death, and our mind is what determines our daily happiness and if we will have a happy ending.


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Re: happy endings [Re: abatu666]
    #18880922 - 09/23/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: happy endings [Re: Icelander]
    #18943465 - 10/07/13 05:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Take it of course. Just because you have money doesn't mean you'll be unhappy.




^Truth
:thumbup:

Buuuuut, it doesn't mean that you will be happy either.


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PLURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!


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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18955619 - 10/09/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not a single story will ever end and that is the real happy ending.


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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18962878 - 10/11/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
"If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."

True or false?

From the earliest years most of us are pumped full of the idea that once you overcome the single source of evil in the world then you can live happily ever after.  But there is zero evidence of such a fairy tale to be found. No problem though, right? No one believes an evil witch has poisoned a princess after all. But how many believe in happily ever after? Do you? I mean really. If not, how do you cope? Does anyone else feel as though some sense of hope for a happily ever after is fundamental to healthy goal making and also a key motivator for achievement? If it is absent, then second fiddle of "happier than I am now" comes in? Doesnt this require some sense of permanence as well to be worthwhile? I mean, I can think of lots of ecstatic moments that put the present one to shame. But of course none of them lasted. And to make it my goal to return to them just to find myself reflecting on them after seems somewhat... ill conceived. Like a partial con that wouldn't quite fool me into any sense of a happy ending. And so I could cycle around and around chasing those brief moments and hoping that I can continue in that way until the end, and that does seem to be my current coping technique, but there is a voice gnawing which says, quit distracting yourself. You're turning a blind eye to something here.

Anyone relate?




I think it is false, because if you choose to end the story of life, then you are killing yourself, and how is that a happy ending?

If you die naturally you aren't choosing where the story ends.

Unless of course you are only talking about Fairy Tales, then you aren't really choosing where the story ends, but the Author is choosing it, you would just be choosing not to finish the story.


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Re: happy endings [Re: teknix]
    #18962904 - 10/11/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think offing yourself on a high note could be a happy ending.  I see people who have had a pretty easy or good life go down in flames and suffering with disease and old age.


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Re: happy endings [Re: Icelander]
    #18962914 - 10/11/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A high not for who? It is entirely subjective, as is the question.

Is it a high note for the reader, or the actor or the author, or some of their family and friends? Is it a high not for their remembrance in the future?


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Re: happy endings [Re: teknix]
    #18963201 - 10/11/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's right, subjective. We are all giving our subjective opinions because that is all that is possible with this question.  If you take the feelings of every person on earth into account regarding your actions and choices you'd have a hard time moving forward.  So I try to do what is best for myself and then allow for others to do the same. As long as we don't harm others physically in doing so.


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Re: happy endings [Re: Icelander]
    #18963366 - 10/11/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: happy endings [Re: teknix]
    #18963509 - 10/11/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There we go agreeing again. :lol::thumbup:


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