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Offlinepsillyforager
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Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm?
    #18874915 - 09/22/13 07:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hi all, just wondering if there is any information available about a type of light that can be used to provide some lighting in the room for short periods without disturbing the circadian rhythm of fruiting mushrooms?

Sort of like how the old photos can be developed using red light to see what you are doing.

Sometimes i accidentally turn the light on in the room just out of habit and cant help but thinking I'm disturbing / waking up the mushrooms. For now i have taken the globe out but some long term fix would be handy.

Thanks :mushroom2:


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: psillyforager]
    #18874920 - 09/22/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

12/12 is a good light cycle for mushrooms at all stages of growth


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18875126 - 09/22/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can also grow in the dark, or you could use indirect light like anywhere in your room with a window. I never used artificial lights and never had an issue.  The indirect light is enough.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: dark3st]
    #18875156 - 09/22/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It sounds like you are asking what kind of light you can use during the 12 hour dark period so you don't disturb the circadian rhythm correct?

A little light during the dark period here and there won't hurt anything. I do it all the time.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18875190 - 09/22/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Really guys? No evidence to support that mycellium needs light nor mushrooms just heresy.  The mushrooms will grow with your own schedule.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: dark3st]
    #18875305 - 09/22/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hearsay or heresy? O.o


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: dark3st]
    #18875327 - 09/22/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Really guys? No evidence to support that mycellium needs light nor mushrooms just heresy.  The mushrooms will grow with your own schedule.





What the heck are you talking about. You're post is confusing :confused:


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18875333 - 09/22/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yea its heresy to give mushrooms light during there dark cycle like pot.  Your gonna burn in hell for it.

No its not, some incidental light during the dark period is fine for mushrooms.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18875346 - 09/22/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Agreed. Like I said before I do it all the time


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18875355 - 09/22/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think (hope) he meant to say that "The claim that mycelium and mushrooms needs/benefits from light is just unproven hearsay"..


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: Kjetterfaen]
    #18875370 - 09/22/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well then that's just ignorant


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18875707 - 09/22/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Turning on a general light should be pretty dim in comparison to their closer & brighter lights.
Just think of it as the moon coming out.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: Kjetterfaen]
    #18875725 - 09/22/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Kjetterfaen said:
I think (hope) he meant to say that "The claim that mycelium and mushrooms needs/benefits from light is just unproven hearsay"..





Yes I have a dresser that provides pitch black darkness and my mushrooms still grow and mycellium still can propagate. You guys act like everything RR or some other TC is always a fact. Use your own experimentation.  I had to grow in pitch black because I couldn't let anyone know what I was doing.  The only problem was they all didn't grow straight up.

Now I just grow with indirect lighting from outside and all is good.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: dark3st]
    #18875745 - 09/22/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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dark3st said:
The only problem was they all didn't grow straight up.



Doubtful that was the only problem.  They were also pretty thin and light, with tiny little caps.
Some of us do experiment.
They don't need light, but it sure does help.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: dark3st]
    #18876041 - 09/22/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

dark3st said:
Quote:

Kjetterfaen said:
I think (hope) he meant to say that "The claim that mycelium and mushrooms needs/benefits from light is just unproven hearsay"..





You guys act like everything RR or some other TC is always a fact. Use your own experimentation. 






Something that comes from RR or other TC's is usually the way to go...of course pull up quotes from 10 years ago and sure...they've come up w/ better method's eh?  Most things are proven wrong, w/ enough time passing there are new methods, every day History is re-written no?


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: cynical bastad]
    #18876188 - 09/22/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

we used 2 phase lighting.....
LED ruby red680 nm and blue 450 nm

general work, red lights, fruiting blue.

lights are " stadium mount", so its whole room color.
hall lights always ruby red 680nm, and room is a blackout,

we also , have white LED , and RB LED options also.

chip lights , for the SAB.






all said, im of the opinion, that alot of lights work,
its a question of color and power and duration.( and heat value)

ya dont need much power, and ya dont need much duration.
and IMO, they like blue alot.

personally, i would only give a damn about circaidian rythm ,
in a highly pro grow system/ clones.
perfect light rythms, isnt gonna turn a PF tek FC into a cornucopia.






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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: cynical bastad]
    #18876205 - 09/22/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've left my 6500k lights on for two days by accident..there were colonizing and fruiting tubs in the room.

They didn't give a shit as far as I could tell :shrug:


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18876304 - 09/22/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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StygianKnight said:
Quote:

dark3st said:
The only problem was they all didn't grow straight up.



Doubtful that was the only problem.  They were also pretty thin and light, with tiny little caps.
Some of us do experiment.
They don't need light, but it sure does help.



Quote:

FrankHorrigan said:
I've left my 6500k lights on for two days by accident..there were colonizing and fruiting tubs in the room.

They didn't give a shit as far as I could tell :shrug:










And they grew regular.  Just not straight up. But you were here right?


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: dark3st]
    #18876334 - 09/22/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Growing "straight up" has more to do with your fruiting conditions than your light IMO. 

My light is never directly overhead. My mushrooms always grow "straight up" because my fruiting conditions make them quite happy :wink:

Some genetics will also be prone to large families that may twist around each other as they grow, due to proximity. 

"Leaning" mushrooms are usually trying to get down to the high humidity at the surface of the substrate. This can happen when your FC has low RH.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18876395 - 09/22/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ya its usually just the first flush then after that they straighten themselves up after I straighten da fuck up lol. (Or not it could just be first flushes because of something idk about)


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: dark3st]
    #18877634 - 09/22/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Really guys? No evidence to support that mycellium needs light nor mushrooms just heresy.  The mushrooms will grow with your own schedule.




Disregard people talking nonsense.  There are thousands of documented grows to the contrary.  Light is very important for mushrooms to reach full size and weight.

To the original poster, it's ok to enter the room during the dark period.  Mycelium uses light in a different way than plants do and disturbing the dark period briefly isn't a problem.
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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18877684 - 09/22/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Size doesn't matter to me. I figure 6-7in is good enough.  Potency doesn't increase with light or not. 



The benefits of light are less then that of the cost of power.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: dark3st]
    #18877748 - 09/22/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm:

Disregard this poster.  Light is important at all stages of growth, as has been known for many years.  It will double or even triple weight and quality of fruits, and the lights used to produce a tray of mushrooms burn less than 5 cents of electricity through the whole cropping cycle.

My entire mushroom farm only added $5 per month to my electric bill.
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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18878740 - 09/23/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms don't care what kind of light cycle or rhythm you going by. They aren't plants.  :p

I cringe when I see mushy growers using HPS or MH lights though. Or spending any additional money on obtaining special lights.  Any light works as long as it is not too hot.  Mushies tend to prefer shaded growth even in the wild.  No need to mimic the sun. Just a lil light will do.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18879006 - 09/23/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the input everyone but i might not have been clear in my question. It was specifically regarding turning on the room light whist the SGFC is in dark period.

My worries are at ease now :smile: my bedroom light is a 15W cool white CFL with a frosted glass cover so will be great to think of it as moonlight.

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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: Gretchenmeister]
    #18879207 - 09/23/13 04:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mushrooms don't care what kind of light cycle or rhythm you going by. They aren't plants.  :p

I cringe when I see mushy growers using HPS or MH lights though. Or spending any additional money on obtaining special lights.  Any light works as long as it is not too hot.  Mushies tend to prefer shaded growth even in the wild.  No need to mimic the sun. Just a lil light will do.





This is what I was originally saying about indirect light and whenever your up and about and have the lights on it will be sufficient and not inconvene you.

Don't disregard me because some hot head says to, that's not right, everyone here has experience not just people with a TC symbol given out by other TCs forming a little club of people who think alike and are monotone in their work.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: Gretchenmeister]
    #18879413 - 09/23/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mushrooms don't care what kind of light cycle or rhythm you going by. They aren't plants.  :p

I cringe when I see mushy growers using HPS or MH lights though. Or spending any additional money on obtaining special lights.  Any light works as long as it is not too hot.  Mushies tend to prefer shaded growth even in the wild.  No need to mimic the sun. Just a lil light will do.




This is just flat-out wrong, and not based on fact other than the part about mushrooms not being plants.

This is not even a controversy.  Too many mushroom farms have put in bright LED strings or 6500K fluorescent lamps after reading about work done at Mountain Mushroom Farm. Fungi Perfecti also now colonizes and fruits substrates exposed to 6500K light for 12 hours per day from start to finish. All have reported increases in yield far beyond the costs of the lights or electricity.

In fact, I ran some tests several years ago with 400 watt MH lamps with a color temperature of 4500K.  Yields were well above what was achieved with fluorescent lamps.  More research is needed to find the upper limit of effectiveness as far as brightness is concerned.  Full spectrum works better than any individual frequency.

As I've said for years, some mushrooms will grow in total darkness, just not well.  Furthermore, since most of the members around here have never grown anything but cubes, it should be noted they rarely grow in the shade.  I've picked thousands of pounds of wild cubes from the very middle of cow pastures in Texas without anything but a few blades of grass for shade.
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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: dark3st]
    #18879797 - 09/23/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't disregard me because some hot head says to, that's not right, everyone here has experience not just people with a TC symbol given out by other TCs forming a little club of people who think alike and are monotone in their work.




I love when new members bash TCs.

The butthurt is strong with this one :laugh2:


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18879804 - 09/23/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18881311 - 09/23/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
Quote:

Gretchenmeister said:
Mushrooms don't care what kind of light cycle or rhythm you going by. They aren't plants.  :p

I cringe when I see mushy growers using HPS or MH lights though. Or spending any additional money on obtaining special lights.  Any light works as long as it is not too hot.  Mushies tend to prefer shaded growth even in the wild.  No need to mimic the sun. Just a lil light will do.




This is just flat-out wrong, and not based on fact other than the part about mushrooms not being plants.

This is not even a controversy.  Too many mushroom farms have put in bright LED strings or 6500K fluorescent lamps after reading about work done at Mountain Mushroom Farm. Fungi Perfecti also now colonizes and fruits substrates exposed to 6500K light for 12 hours per day from start to finish. All have reported increases in yield far beyond the costs of the lights or electricity.

In fact, I ran some tests several years ago with 400 watt MH lamps with a color temperature of 4500K.  Yields were well above what was achieved with fluorescent lamps.  More research is needed to find the upper limit of effectiveness as far as brightness is concerned.  Full spectrum works better than any individual frequency.

As I've said for years, some mushrooms will grow in total darkness, just not well.  Furthermore, since most of the members around here have never grown anything but cubes, it should be noted they rarely grow in the shade.  I've picked thousands of pounds of wild cubes from the very middle of cow pastures in Texas without anything but a few blades of grass for shade.
RR





I guess all the mushrooms I been growing all these  years were just luck then. 

Few blades of grass growing around the cow patties makes shade and a microclimate indeed.  I too have picked from fields all of my life. 

Home cultivators out there, do not be discouraged. You CAN grow p. cubes at home without investing in any special light set up.


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: Gretchenmeister]
    #18881539 - 09/23/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No one is saying you need a special light set up. A cfl bulb works great and so does light from a nearby window


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18884275 - 09/24/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And of course I agree, because we've known for decades that cubes will grow in total darkness.

My point is not to do the minimum necessary to get some cubes, but to advance the science and art by getting as much product as possible with the highest possible quality.  This requires fairly bright light.  Certainly they don't require as bright of light as plants, but they do benefit.  This is why I've recommended for many years to put substrates and/or terrariums with stubborn cakes outdoors in direct sun for a few minutes per day to get pinning started.

Once pins form, light is important in getting maximum size and density as well as the other qualities we seek. 
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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18886289 - 09/24/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When I am pinning I leave my 30 watt softbulb on 24 hours ( or whatever lights in the socket at the time).  I totally agree that light is important especially during pinning.  Shrooms and P. cubes specifically don't require any kind of light cycle though, and in my experience, don't require any special kind of light. :P

JEEEZ dont want anyone thinking im growing shrooms in the dark here!


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Re: Type of ambient light that doesn't ruin circadian rhythm? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18888250 - 09/25/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:takingnotes:

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RogerRabbit said:
:facepalm:

Disregard this poster.  Light is important at all stages of growth, as has been known for many years.  It will double or even triple weight and quality of fruits, and the lights used to produce a tray of mushrooms burn less than 5 cents of electricity through the whole cropping cycle.

My entire mushroom farm only added $5 per month to my electric bill.
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Is that full w/ 500 substrate blocks, keeping the heat up?  How much heat is put off by each one? I've been trying to figure that out to know when i can start.  I'm trying to heat the area vs. cool, It's only 8x10x8. But against the earth w/ a few feet of dirt then floating slab on top.  Thanks


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