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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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happiness is not necessary
    #18874632 - 09/22/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

chemical signals

passing a message, the message just has to be received and sent. like binary code, 0 and 1.


are 0's happy?


are 1's?


information is just a passing of code. but that code dosent have to be positive. so why should it?


happiness is just a byproduct of that information exchange. just another type of siginal relaying the same type of code.


you dont have to have to feel good to get a message.

you just have to feel.

being biologically wired to chase happiness is disturbing. emotions are disturbing.




from a non humanistic perspective, what would information recieving be like with out emotion or rather, feeling, which is to say pain, pleasure, etc.?

how does a computer feel about html? how does a hydrolic extension feel hen pressure is applied to it to cause it to move?

it dosen't, right? or how would it become known? the emotions and physical feelings of sensation i feel are second to my thoughts which present only information and neither of the latter.


so why do YOU seek your chosen sensations? upon realizing the factors that all come together that make you experience the way you do, why do you seek out pleasure or pain or happiness or sadness, or anger, or hot or cold, etc etc....

for most it is obviously unconscious action, you do what your body and brain tell you to do. you follo your biological desires because you have no other reason no to do so.


but what if there was an option to eliminate those sensations and experience pure thought, pure information exchange with out the biological elements, become a robot or some shit. would you do it? why? why not?

and furthermore, this bring me to my focus point in this post, if you DID make the choice to make the transformation to pure computing thought, how would it FEEL? would it feel? would you experience pain, with out the receptors to specifically feel pain? if you replaced your brain with a computating chunk of complicated silicon chips, what would the information be like?

i suppose it couldnt be known with out actually going through with it, in the same sense that you cant describe the color blue.


but at that point, with out the biological chemical brain, you wouldnt have the ability to remember what "pain" even feels like. or would you discover an entirely new form of sensation, of which none of our current senses can describe?



these are the thoughts i have brought to this thread. i dont know how one could even reply to this, but this is probably the appropriate board for such pondering of pointlessness


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Re: happiness is not necessary [Re: Salomon]
    #18874635 - 09/22/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You were given a mind to focus on whatever you desire


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Re: happiness is not necessary [Re: Salomon]
    #18874647 - 09/22/13 03:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That is some pondering right there. It's like you said about computer feeling or not. It does not. If we were pure consciousness I don't think we would feel anything. Just my opinion.

Do I enjoy pleasure?
















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Re: happiness is not necessary [Re: Salomon]
    #18874664 - 09/22/13 04:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Pain makes us desire relief, and so we seek it out, in seeking joy/happiness
we forget what causes pain and so end up back in its grip. How long this cycle
goes on is different for everyone, and if it is realised, everyone has their own
solution, or methodology for attaining a solution. Joy and suffering are both
illusory in that they are both polar projections of whatever axis they play about.


Edited by tribesman (09/22/13 04:05 AM)


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