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PrimalSoup
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18868012 - 09/20/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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'Tis true.
Whaddya got that's cube-spore-varietal related?
I got a Purple Mystic First-Multiple-Cultivated-Spore-Prints contest opening soon in the Marketplace. 
Just gotta run a quick potency test...uhm, 'scuse me while I kiss the sky. 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18868018 - 09/20/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#18868822 - 09/20/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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to my understanding and i really should not be talking. These "strains" are like races and to say one is different than the others makes you a racist bigot. Coming to these conclusions as a scientist is even worse... Hitler had these kinds of scientists too ya know.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: R4V4N4]
#18868885 - 09/20/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh, no, "strains" are fine and it's a convenient way to think about it. Just realize that strains exist within any genotype, they don't determine the genotype. It's more about information flow than anything else.
Speaking of that - and the PM test - BD - So true, so true.  
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Nakor420]
#18869263 - 09/20/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: Ziggity...pretty much everything you just said is completely wrong.

So you're trying to say that all of my observations of my grow are completely wrong based on the pretense of your beliefs, values, and ideas? Man you're a fucking joke and have fun never being a credible scientist in this world because I'm open to criticism of my observations but a statement such as them being wrong indicates an objectiveness when my observations were subjective... You need me to explain objective and subjective for you too?
Get the fuck out with your hostility towards the "study" of mushroom cultivation. Nobody likes someone who thinks they know everything faggot.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: R4V4N4]
#18869583 - 09/20/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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R4V4N4 said: to my understanding and i really should not be talking. These "strains" are like races and to say one is different than the others makes you a racist bigot. Coming to these conclusions as a scientist is even worse... Hitler had these kinds of scientists too ya know.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: ziggity]
#18870507 - 09/21/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ziggity said: Get the fuck out with your hostility towards the "study" of mushroom cultivation.
Play nice. The responses you got should have given you the impression that you are raising a very over-worked topic....one that forced all strain discussions into this one thread.
We are all human, but we are not the same.....just like P. cubensis.
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Which strain? [Re: Javadog]
#18872666 - 09/21/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey guys I hope this is the right place... I'm looking at which strain to try. This will be my 1st grow however I'm confident in my abilities and have been reading for awhile. I'm leaning towards either PE6 or pink buffalo or koh samui... I know a cube is a cube is a cube... BUT I'm just wanting to get peoples feedback ona couple questions before i buy.
I'm looking for something potent, visual, and has at least decent yield. That's my main criteria there. With that being said what do you guys recommend?
Also in my search for PE6 I seem to be having a little trouble, seems a couple vendors are sold out. Which vendor has the most reliable version of PE6?? I was looking at freespores because they're cheaper and it looks like they have PE6 in stock. Ralphsters doesnt have on their list. Sporeworks doesn't have PE6, but do have other PE strains. And it looks like Hawkseye is sold out (I'm still waiting for a PM from Ryche).
Any suggestions/opinions on strains/vendors to get started please? thanks!!!
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Re: Which strain? [Re: dimyself]
#18873198 - 09/21/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: Oh, no, "strains" are fine and it's a convenient way to think about it. Just realize that strains exist within any genotype, they don't determine the genotype. It's more about information flow than anything else.
Speaking of that - and the PM test - BD - So true, so true.  
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You should look into the purple mystic from primal's give away dimyself , Pe6 is a solid strain as well. Best of luck in your hunt! 
Primal I am so happy that it is and you all get to confirm it! . It's great to watch all you guys do your methods. Can't wait till my next project [^_^].
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Oh it is, it is. Now I can give away the prints with a glad heart and people can be all and then
Those little fuckers are GOOD.
Been working pretty much all the time recently, so no real chance for but I did 10g 15g fresh as tea and went for a bike ride in the rain - about a half hour latter I was all OMG!!!!
Will get the contest up by tomorrow. And the 2nd flush would've made more prints if I'd bothered. 
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Edited by PrimalSoup (09/22/13 11:15 AM)
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PrimalSoup said: Oh it is, it is. Now I can give away the prints with a glad heart and people can be all and then
Those little fuckers are GOOD.
Been working pretty much all the time recently, so no real chance for but I did 10g fresh as tea and went for a bike ride in the rain - about a half hour latter I was all OMG!!!!
Will get the contest up by tomorrow. And the 2nd flush would've made more prints if I'd bothered. 
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That is so exciting! I've tripped with them on a bike ride, that's when I saw the stars turn into moving ufos xD. The rain sounds fun . I've used .5-1.5 doses medicinally to help ease past addiction pains, migraines, mood. Was almost like coffee in a way..
The onset was also on average 30 min for me too .
Look forward to the contest! Let me know if you need any help
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Re: Which strain? [Re: dimyself]
#18874234 - 09/21/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, i did read on that PM... it looks pretty potent??! It looks like some people had some issues with them though (perhaps the way they grew them...) Do you think it would be just as easy to grow as say PE6? Also how does the potency/yield compare to PE6?
I'm going to keep an eye out for that competition for sure! that would be awesome to try that strain out looks like a real hard hitter for sure! haha Can I ask, what is the competition...how would I go about getting a print/syringe of the PM?
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Re: Which strain? [Re: dimyself]
#18874316 - 09/21/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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dimyself said: Hey guys I hope this is the right place... I'm looking at which strain to try. This will be my 1st grow however I'm confident in my abilities and have been reading for awhile. I'm leaning towards either PE6 or pink buffalo or koh samui... I know a cube is a cube is a cube... BUT I'm just wanting to get peoples feedback ona couple questions before i buy.
I'm looking for something potent, visual, and has at least decent yield. That's my main criteria there. With that being said what do you guys recommend?
Also in my search for PE6 I seem to be having a little trouble, seems a couple vendors are sold out. Which vendor has the most reliable version of PE6?? I was looking at freespores because they're cheaper and it looks like they have PE6 in stock. Ralphsters doesnt have on their list. Sporeworks doesn't have PE6, but do have other PE strains. And it looks like Hawkseye is sold out (I'm still waiting for a PM from Ryche).
Any suggestions/opinions on strains/vendors to get started please? thanks!!!
Classic canned Shroomerite responses to the above:
1) "A cube is a cube" 2) Except for PE. We teh PE, and insist that It's Better for no legitimate reason--though we'll happily pull a litany of BS out of our asses to stress that teh PE is THE exception to teh dogmas because it's SRIOUS BIDNESS. ( you guys) 3) "Multispore is a crapshoot"
Ummm...what else? Ooooh...
4) To be a REAL Cool Kid you have to grow in bulk because PF Tek sux and is for N00bs.
Here's what you should do:
1a) Plan on doing the PF Tek. It's hard to screw up, it's cheap, and it's fast (for mushrooms). You will probably not need 10 lbs of mushrooms straight out the shoot anyway. You get to know the life cycle of the mushroom very well, and it's good to experiment with.
1b) Do this before purchasing anything else: Get RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms videos. You can buy them off the Internet. They are the single most helpful resource in history ever, and at least watch the first video before moving on to ANYTHING. If you don't, you'll probably end up with a lot of unnecessary, expensive (and worthless) shit.
2) Purchase your spores from a reputable source. Spore Depot is the kittehs tittehs. They have what is known as the Mystery Pack, and you get 4 syringes (their choice) for $30. Mention that you're a member of the Shroomery and they may even toss in a freebie. The Mystery Pack is fantastic because it comes out to $7.50 a syringe, which is cheap as shit, and you don't have to be bothered with wading through bullshit reviews and deciding on a variety because you're just picking out of a hat right now as it is.
3) Follow what RR says to do exactly. Don't buy any kits, just get the stuff he says to get. Get you some Home Depot and Bed, Bath, and Beyond coupons and stay away from teh Internets for the buying stuff part. Don't let the Internet shroom supply sites tempt you with their shiny things (yet).
Some things to know:
-If all goes as planned, (realistically) in 6-7 weeks, you'll get about an 1/8th per cake for the first flush. YMMV.
-Bulky varieties (such as PE) aren't particularly suited for cakes--try yer everyday cube with this method first.
-PE is notoriously fickle, and while you'll be a Cool Kid for growing it, who really gives a shit about coolness. You want results, and making shit harder than it needs to be isn't what you're interested in on your first grow. It would be wise to put that one in your pocket for later.
-Wide mouth half pint canning jars are hard to find. It's not worth driving around to 8 different stores to get them. If you have to get regular mouth, it's not the end of the world.
-Get a CANNER--water bath (for steaming your jars) or pressure canner (if you have the dough to spend). It is WAY worth it. PCs are absolutely worth the money for cutting the crap with the contam business and if you plan on sterilizing grain, agar, etc. in the future. But unless you like to can food, if you decide that this hobby isn't for you, you're stuck with a very expensive paper weight. Canners are specifically designed to hold lots of jars, being all big and having a rack inside, and regular pots are just too small to not be a complete pain in the ass. AND...if you decide you don't want to continue pursuing the hobby, you'll be able to use your water bath canner for other things, like cooking ridiculous quantities of spaghetti. I got mine at Walmart for $20.
Why the spore dogma is right on some things:
When you squirt the spore load into your substrate, the spores have teh sexy times in your jars and make mycelium babies.** Since the spores bang, we get a good idea of what the end result will be, but really anything could happen. You'll likely have a greater chance of success if the parent was a nice big fat juicy shroom, but you don't really know that if you're getting it from another source. And who knows, maybe the baby will be a fuckup when it grows up anyway. There are no guarantees.
So the "cube's a cube" thang...Couple reasons: RR says that back in the day, unscrupulous vendors would sometimes just label shit whatever to sell it, and unsuspecting growers really wouldn't know the difference. Also, the different varieties have relatively the same quantities and ratio of psilocybin and psilocin. So yer potency/trip probably won't vary too much between varieties, and if it does, it's probably due to one of a million other factors that are not the variety of shroom.
**This sounds like I'm bullshitting you, but check out this explanation of the life cycle of the mushroom. It's true.
So, there you go. Happy shrooming!
Edited by BittrBuffalo (09/22/13 09:03 PM)
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well said.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: ziggity]
#18878167 - 09/22/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry this took so long. 
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In the point of view of a user of the mushrooms, yes, there are absolutely not differences in the way the chemistry affects your body. Cubensis have their set psilocybin and psilocin ratios compared to other varieties of species that contain the same psychoactive substances.
No, they don't. And there's no requirement genetically that they do. Since different "substrains" from one MS growth of a "strain" - even different fruits - vary in absolute potency, it's unrealistic to insist (on little if no evidence) that all cubes exhibit the same ratios of alkaloid production - of which psilocybin and psilocin are only two of a multiple. People that report different kinds of experiences from different "strains" are not all simply making it up or succumbing to placebo effects. This undercuts all of the rest of your argument about selecting for genetic traits, as you can't have the effect without the cause - in this case variation WITHIN the species itself. What accounts for that - epigenetic markers or genetic bottlenecks in extended generational growth in captivity or something else entirely - is much harder to say.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18880346 - 09/23/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why you can experience different highs with different varieties
As with most things in this hobby, YMMV. With errthang. So...assuming your trip was BETTER on one variety as opposed to another:
-You got a particularly biologically successful parent mushroom that produced a particularly biologically successful load of spores, from which you grew more particularly biologically successful cubey babies. This will be the most likely cause of growing two different varieties side by side and getting different results--one variety was of good stock and the other variety of shit. I have another theory about an additional factor that I'll talk about later.
-Your substrate/growing conditions were particularly awesome.
-Your "set and setting" was conducive to shrooming your balls off in a particularly satisfying manner, and the people around you were not douchey.
-Your method of preparation/quantity and kind of food in your stomach was more conducive to The Good Stuff being successfully absorbed into your bloodstream.
-You THINK that it's due to variety. People dismiss the placebo effect, but in reality, it's awesome. Certain psychological triggers cause physical change in your body. Who gives a shit whether or not the change in consciousness is caused by external chemicals introduced into the body? Why is that experience more "real" or legitimate? THINKING THINGS MAKES THEM HAPPEN. That's the shit.
Okay, so varieties are varieties (generally) because they came from different places. If you're thinking in terms of Darwiny birds on islands evolving to have longer beaks because of their environment, I believe that these varieties will have subtle (or not so subtle) differences in their appearances and growing habits. This doesn't noticeably change their effects or composition. You're free to tell me I'm full of shit if you want, but I think it makes sense. They're like little trippy flowers.
Edited by BittrBuffalo (09/23/13 03:22 PM)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18881339 - 09/23/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup is going to fight me to the death on teh PE double-standard thing. It's illogical, dammit. ILLOGICAL! Makes. No. Sense. Admit to me this makes NO SENSE! Ehhh!!!!!
No amount of wishful thinking is going to make it come true, PS. But I will allow you to be happy without further harassment. For now.
Come to the Dark Side, PS. We have brownies.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18881697 - 09/23/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually, I don't care. At all. Reality always wins. 
So go, be happy, whatever.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18883869 - 09/24/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OH SNAP I JUST GOT GYLLENHAALLED
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18889398 - 09/25/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Does anyone have a pan cyan spore print. Ill pay just pm me please
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