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OfflineMush4Brains
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Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots.
    #18872003 - 09/21/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

These clowns are trying to say that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will cost the United States $4-$6tn when everything is said and done.

My guys in the White House at the time said the Iraq war was only going to cost $50bn, and I agree.  There is no way that the Iraq war is going to cost us trillions.  We only have spent, and will spend, $60bn on that shitty war.

Good thing the house GOP needs to cut $39bn in food benefits over the next decade.

Man if only Obamacare didn't cost so much, maybe we wouldn't have a problem with our deficit :rolleyes:

I mean, we spend more than any other country on health care, so we must be the best, right?  All those fucking socialists and their socialist fucking universal health care.  What do you mean even POOR people get to go to doctors?  What kind of communist bullshit is this?

I mean, when Bush doubled the national debt, nobody blinked an eye, but when the communist-socialist-muslim-secularist Obama has overseen the reduction of the deficit by half in five years, the fastest decrease since WWII, he gets blamed for racking up the whole $17tn.

But I mean, saving $1tn with the sequester is so important to the house GOP with the sequester, that 1.7 million jobs means nothing for them.  Rightfully so.  The only thing that matters IS THE DEFICIT.  LET'S TAKE A HATCHET TO EVERYTHING! Let's shut down the government if we can't get the socialist Obamacare defunded.

Government takeover of healthcare?  Yeah, all those private insurance policies that are being taken out sounds like the government is really taking it all over.

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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 3
    #18872146 - 09/21/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why you continue to think the D's are better than the R's is silly, they BOTH suck.

Try to be intellectually honest and admit the economy is worst today than it was 5-6 years ago for 90% of Americans, and it has NOTHING to do with Obama, I don't blame Obama, it's just a economic fact.

Always having a agenda when talking about complex economic issues always turns into a pissing contest, both parties are essentially the same, the R vs D is mainly for show.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: qman]
    #18872172 - 09/21/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
Why you continue to think the D's are better than the R's is silly, they BOTH suck.

Try to be intellectually honest and admit the economy is worst today than it was 5-6 years ago for 90% of Americans, and it has NOTHING to do with Obama, I don't blame Obama, it's just a economic fact.

Always having a agenda when talking about complex economic issues always turns into a pissing contest, both parties are essentially the same, the R vs D is mainly for show.




I'm not a democrat, I'm a liberal.  I'm not making fun of Republicans, I'm pissing on the radical right.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18872198 - 09/21/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
These clowns are trying to say that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will cost the United States $4-$6tn when everything is said and done.




From the unsanctioned paper

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This includes long-term medical care and disability compensation for service members, veterans and families, military replenishment and social and economic costs.




LOL.  Disability payments?  Over how long?  50 years?  What do you suppose their families get?  How about dick.

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The views expressed in the HKS Faculty Research Working Paper Series are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of the John F. Kennedy School of Government or of Harvard University. Faculty Research Working Papers have not undergone formal review and approval. Such papers are included in this series to elicit feedback and to encourage debate on important public policy challenges. Copyright belongs to the author(s). Papers may be downloaded for personal use only.




Did you actually read the PDF?

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This paper will focus on the costs of commitments we have made in four important areas during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars:
I. Veterans health care and disability compensation
II. Pentagon personnel and health care policies and benefits
III. Other Department of Defense costs and commitments
IV. Financing of the wars




Thise aren't costs directly attributable to the war.  Not even the interest.
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My guys in the White House at the time said the Iraq war was only going to cost $50bn, and I agree.  There is no way that the Iraq war is going to cost us trillions.  We only have spent, and will spend, $60bn on that shitty war.




From your link

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Mr. Daniels cautioned that his budget projections did not mean a war with Iraq was imminent, and that it was impossible to know what any military campaign against Iraq would ultimately cost.




Did you miss that sentence?
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Good thing the house GOP needs to cut $39bn in food benefits over the next decade.




Good

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/08/10/california-scheming-surfer-dude-living-off-food-stamps-81310
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Man if only Obamacare didn't cost so much, maybe we wouldn't have a problem with our deficit :rolleyes:




From your link

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This study follows research by the Rand Corp. announced last week that found that premiums for most people who buy health plans through exchanges will decline, because of public subsidies.




Public subsidies will increase the deficit.  Duh
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I mean, we spend more than any other country on health care, so we must be the best, right?  All those fucking socialists and their socialist fucking universal health care.  What do you mean even POOR people get to go to doctors?  What kind of communist bullshit is this?




We already had Medicaid for poor people and the health care in those countries sucks
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I mean, when Bush doubled the national debt, nobody blinked an eye, but when the communist-socialist-muslim-secularist Obama has overseen the reduction of the deficit by half in five years, the fastest decrease since WWII, he gets blamed for racking up the whole $17tn.

But I mean, saving $1tn with the sequester is so important to the house GOP with the sequester, that 1.7 million jobs means nothing for them.  Rightfully so.  The only thing that matters IS THE DEFICIT.  LET'S TAKE A HATCHET TO EVERYTHING! Let's shut down the government if we can't get the socialist Obamacare defunded.




The debt is not the deficit.  When the Dems took over Congress in 2006 the debt was under 9T.  Now it is over 16.  And that is without any significant war expenses and after tax hikes.  With no end in sight to their spending.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2013/09/17/cbo-warns-national-debt-is-on-unsustainable-path/

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The Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday the nation's debt is on an unsustainable path and warned that by 2038 if current law continues federal debt held by the public would hit 100% of GDP.




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Government takeover of healthcare?  Yeah, all those private insurance policies that are being taken out sounds like the government is really taking it all over.

Political Discussion = :havesomesantorum:




My insurance has skyrocketed, the unions hate it and employers are dropping health insurance entirely

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/19/home-depot-drops-big-obamacare-surprise-on-20000-employees/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/12/afl-cio-steps-up-pressure-on-white-house-for-obamacare-changes/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-19/obamacare-unleashes-benefit-changes-from-companies.html

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For weeks, headlines have cataloged the upheaval at private employers: UPS dropping coverage for employed spouses, IBM reworking retiree benefits. Yesterday came the biggest change: Walgreen Co. (WAG), the largest U.S. drugstore chain, told 160,000 workers they must buy insurance through a private exchange rather than having the company arrange their coverage.






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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18872208 - 09/21/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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qman said:
Why you continue to think the D's are better than the R's is silly, they BOTH suck.

Try to be intellectually honest and admit the economy is worst today than it was 5-6 years ago for 90% of Americans, and it has NOTHING to do with Obama, I don't blame Obama, it's just a economic fact.

Always having a agenda when talking about complex economic issues always turns into a pissing contest, both parties are essentially the same, the R vs D is mainly for show.




I'm not a democrat, I'm a liberal.  I'm not making fun of Republicans, I'm pissing on the radical right.



LOL, "Radical right" is an effort by liberal radicals (see Saul Alinsky) to control a narrative.  There is nothing radical in the idea that the private sector works best to provide what the people want.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18872287 - 09/21/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If it was impossible to know how much the war would cost, why release a number to the public of $50bn?

How are those four things not directly attributable to the two wars?

So a few examples of food stamp fraud justify cutting $3.9bn a year over next ten years?  When according to official sources only a penny on the dollar is fraudulent?

The debt is not a deficit.  How astute.  Do you expect a 1.4tn deficit to be reversed in a year?

Yeah, I'm sure your insurance has skyrocketed :rolleyes:.  Linking to The Blaze and Fox News will never be credible.

What else do you call somebody, besides radical, who will threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America in order to try and defund a law that was passed by the Legislative branch, signed by the Executive branch, and upheld by the Judicial branch? 

It's so funny that the true elite have suckered you into think you're one of them Zap.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18872579 - 09/21/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If it was impossible to know how much the war would cost, why release a number to the public of $50bn?




Why indeed. 
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How are those four things not directly attributable to the two wars?




Because they aren't.  Number 1, we were going to be on the hook for veterans care no matter what.  There aren't that many wounded veterans and the cost is decades away.  The borrowing?  Why is government borrowing ascribed to the wars and not, say, welfare, when money is fungible?  In 2011 the government gave away 1 trillion dollars of means tested gifts.  That one year alone would have paid for both wars real time costs.
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So a few examples of food stamp fraud justify cutting $3.9bn a year over next ten years?  When according to official sources only a penny on the dollar is fraudulent?




Food stamp fraud is rampant.
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The debt is not a deficit.  How astute.  Do you expect a 1.4tn deficit to be reversed in a year?




You're the one who put the two together in one post.  Why does the federal government run a deficit at all?  Maybe it's the trillion dollars of welfare it hands out every year.
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Yeah, I'm sure your insurance has skyrocketed :rolleyes:.  Linking to The Blaze and Fox News will never be credible.




My insurance most certainly has and since Obamacare passed I have had to change 3 times because the policies I had are impossible.  Over 20G a year, thank you, for 3 of us.

Do you dispute the facts in those articles?  No you do not.  Because they are facts, not opinions, which is what you rely on.
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What else do you call somebody, besides radical, who will threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America in order to try and defund a law that was passed by the Legislative branch, signed by the Executive branch, and upheld by the Judicial branch?




There is no threat to the full and faith and credit unless Obama doesn't sign the bill that the LEGISLATURE passed defunding Obamcare. 
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It's so funny that the true elite have suckered you into think you're one of them Zap.




What true elite has suckered me, sucker?


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18872591 - 09/21/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Food stamp fraud is rampant.




Unbiased source?

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You're the one who put the two together in one post.  Why does the federal government run a deficit at all?  Maybe it's the trillion dollars of welfare it hands out every year.




The government provides public services, it isn't meant to generate profit.

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My insurance most certainly has and since Obamacare passed I have had to change 3 times because the policies I had are impossible.  Over 20G a year, thank you, for 3 of us.




Prove it.

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There is no threat to the full and faith and credit unless Obama doesn't sign the bill that the LEGISLATURE passed defunding Obamcare.




Preposterous, find me one other time where a political party has held the full faith and credit hostage in order to defund a law they don't like.

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What true elite has suckered me, sucker?




I feel like if I can be banned for calling starfire_xes a clown, calling me a sucker should be the same punishment.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18872631 - 09/21/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

"The government isn't meant to generate profit"  lol how naive.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Shins]
    #18872639 - 09/21/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How is it naive?  If providing public services created profit wouldn't there be more private companies providing such services?  Since profit is their #1 goal?


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18872650 - 09/21/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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Food stamp fraud is rampant.




Unbiased source?




Are you shitting me? 
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You're the one who put the two together in one post.  Why does the federal government run a deficit at all?  Maybe it's the trillion dollars of welfare it hands out every year.




The government provides public services, it isn't meant to generate profit.




:flowstone:  It takes money from citizens.  What does profit have to do with anything?
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My insurance most certainly has and since Obamacare passed I have had to change 3 times because the policies I had are impossible.  Over 20G a year, thank you, for 3 of us.




Prove it.




No, you are not getting my name
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There is no threat to the full and faith and credit unless Obama doesn't sign the bill that the LEGISLATURE passed defunding Obamcare.




Preposterous, find me one other time where a political party has held the full faith and credit hostage in order to defund a law they don't like.




The House passed a bill that extends the budget and excludes funding for Obamacare.  That is what legislatures do.  You only find their acts legit when you like them?  Tough shit Napolean.  There is a reason why the House is controlled by Republicans and Obamacare is most of it.  Now what are the Dem bitches in the Senate and the cunt in the Oval Office going to do about it?  Shut down the government because they don't get Obamacare funding?  That will be on them, then, won't it?  Spending bills are initiated in the House and the House sent one to the Senate.  Pass it and sign it.
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What true elite has suckered me, sucker?




I feel like if I can be banned for calling someone a clown, calling me a sucker should be the same punishment.




You called me a sucker first.  So answer the question.  By the way, what has given you the impression that 1. there is an elite or 2. that I think I am part of that imaginary cabal?


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #18872656 - 09/21/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The only profit the government generates is in the paychecks of the people who would be far better employed doing something more useful than handing out welfare checks to other useless shits.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18872665 - 09/21/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No, I said you had been suckered, not that you are a sucker.

Once again, find me another time where the legislature has tied a continuing resolution to the defunding of a bill they are ideologically opposed to.  Then try and pass the buck saying they aren't trying shut down the government?  What a farce.  They know damn well it won't go anywhere in the Senate, and there are moderate Republicans coming out saying that Ted Cruz is a fraud.

The government gets money from citizens, yes, what is your point? 

And no, I'm not shitting you, find me an unbiased source that SNAP benefits are being widely abused.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18872834 - 09/21/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There are private companies who provide those services if its legal, and who do it more efficientlt.

ever since the dawn of time governments have been instruments the ruling class use to subjegate the populace and generate profit from the human resource.

the phony premise of "providing services" is a smoke screen to hide the true picture that is those "services" are "provided" by pointing guns at the subjects and forcably extracting profits (taxes) not by voluntary trade but by bullying and force.  Once you point a gun at me it is no longer a "service" it is a racket.  No different than the mob providing "protection" to you or else they break your knees.

the true face of government is violence, everything is enforced by guns ultimately.  When there is a gun in the room it is not a service.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18872862 - 09/21/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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No, I said you had been suckered, not that you are a sucker.




Right.  I can clearly see the difference.
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Once again, find me another time where the legislature has tied a continuing resolution to the defunding of a bill they are ideologically opposed to.




Sequester.  Lots of shit got defunded and it was Obama's idea.

They can fund or not fund whatever they want.  They are the Legislature.
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Then try and pass the buck saying they aren't trying shut down the government?




The Republican House passed a bill that doesn't shut down the government.  Now what will the Dem Senate and the Cunt in Chief do? 
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What a farce.  They know damn well it won't go anywhere in the Senate, and there are moderate Republicans coming out saying that Ted Cruz is a fraud.




What does Ted Cruz have to do with it and in what way is he a fraud?  He'd pass the bill.  Why is it that Republicans have to sell out their constituents who elected them to stop this shit?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/opinion/blow-kamikaze-congress.html?_r=0

Charles Blow posts a poll that says 54% to 43% oppose it.  Charles Blow, liberal race baiting pimp in the NY Times.  The people do not want this.
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The government gets money from citizens, yes, what is your point?




That the government is not a profit making entity.  It is a profit confiscating entity.
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And no, I'm not shitting you, find me an unbiased source that SNAP benefits are being widely abused.




Depends on what you mean by abused.  Obama eliminated work requirements for welfare.  Any able bodied person who gets assistance without working is abusing the system


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18872897 - 09/21/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The Republican House passed a bill that doesn't shut down the government.  Now what will the Dem Senate and the Cunt in Chief do? 




Yeah, that is what they keep trying to say.  "We passed this so that government doesn't get shut down," when they know it has absolutely no chance in passing the Senate.  They're pissed off at Cruz because he has been campaigning on this bullshit for months, and their hands are tied.  Peter King, Sean Duffy, John McCain, real moderate guys are coming out and calling Cruz what he is - a piece of shit whackjob.

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Depends on what you mean by abused.  Obama eliminated work requirements for welfare.  Any able bodied person who gets assistance without working is abusing the system





Let's see the numbers.

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Charles Blow posts a poll that says 54% to 43% oppose it.  Charles Blow, liberal race baiting pimp in the NY Times.  The people do not want this.




The people don't want it because they've been lied to over, and over, and over, and over, and over again about what the bill does or does not do.  We still have fraudsters like Bachmann, Cruz, Huckabee, Lee, etc. saying it is a government takeover of healthcare, VOTED THE LIE OF THE YEAR BY POLITIFACT.

Once the exchanges start coming up, you know damn well that it will be widely accepted, just like it was in Massachusetts.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18872902 - 09/21/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

One big reason the schools are so liberal is because the government funnels them more and more money in the form of student load aid.

you thought that money helps students?  It in fact goes straight to the schools and in fact leaves students holding the bag of student debt.


then he schools return the favor by funding democratic campaigns.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18873061 - 09/21/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The Republican House passed a bill that doesn't shut down the government.  Now what will the Dem Senate and the Cunt in Chief do? 




Yeah, that is what they keep trying to say.  "We passed this so that government doesn't get shut down," when they know it has absolutely no chance in passing the Senate.  They're pissed off at Cruz because he has been campaigning on this bullshit for months, and their hands are tied.  Peter King, Sean Duffy, John McCain, real moderate guys are coming out and calling Cruz what he is - a piece of shit whackjob.




It is an irrefutable fact that they passed the bill and sent it to The Senate.  I believe Peter King voted for it in the House.  I have no idea who Sean Duffy is and McRino can fuck off and retire to his alzheimers infested ranch.  He has long ago passed his sell by date
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Depends on what you mean by abused.  Obama eliminated work requirements for welfare.  Any able bodied person who gets assistance without working is abusing the system





Let's see the numbers.




What numbers?  The government doesn't think the surfer is committing fraud.
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Charles Blow posts a poll that says 54% to 43% oppose it.  Charles Blow, liberal race baiting pimp in the NY Times.  The people do not want this.




The people don't want it because they've been lied to over, and over, and over, and over, and over again about what the bill does or does not do.  We still have fraudsters like Bachmann, Cruz, Huckabee, Lee, etc. saying it is a government takeover of healthcare, VOTED THE LIE OF THE YEAR BY POLITIFACT.

Once the exchanges start coming up, you know damn well that it will be widely accepted, just like it was in Massachusetts.




Did I say that Obamacare was a government takeover?  No I did not.  I think it is leading there by destroying all other options but that is not what I said.  I said the people oppose it.  That is clear.  You can yell and scream about politicians speaking their mind all you want but the fact of the matter is that Obama has a total poodle press, the people who determine the message and who have supported him almost in lockstep.  What the people have been finding since it has been phased in, with exemptions for Congress and other favored actors, is that the people fucking hate it.  That includes labor unions who are the loudest screamers out there right now.  The corporations aren't screaming, they're just dumping policies all over the place.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Shins] * 1
    #18873080 - 09/21/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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One big reason the schools are so liberal is because the government funnels them more and more money in the form of student load aid.

you thought that money helps students?  It in fact goes straight to the schools and in fact leaves students holding the bag of student debt.


then he schools return the favor by funding democratic campaigns.


Another liberal racket.




Yes it is.  Did you know that there are now more non teaching employees on college campuses than teachers?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/septemberoctober_2011/features/administrators_ate_my_tuition031641.php?page=all


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18874114 - 09/21/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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you thought that money helps students?  It in fact goes straight to the schools and in fact leaves students holding the bag of student debt.






My wife owes about 25gs on her student loan. Her degree got her a job that pays 110000 a year , plus a 12000 bonus depending on profits , and a raise every year .  It's more like a coin purse of debt . I know allot of people like her . It helps I promise , we have 4 cars and a giant house to prove it . It helps people who  are smart enough to see the value in it and put in the effort.  It absolutely does not help people who aren't smart enough to see it and don't even bother to try.
  She will probably top out at the end of her career around 150 gs a year or so  like my neighbor who works at a place making cancer drugs. He paid off his loans along time ago.  People who go to school get loans and get good jobs end up paying allot of money in taxes ,
which helps us give cash to poor starving people , fund student loans, and pay for (and have smart people to build) bombs that we can use to threaten people who piss us off.
Perhaps the reason schools are so liberal is  because educated people are smart enough to see that education and studen loans do in fact help people out , helps them to do the really important jobs that make the world a more awesome place to live in . 
  I mean would you rather live in a world with a decent percentage of people like that or a world full of people who think school is worthless ,  loans are bad , govt is stupid and are only qualified to use shovels spatulas and hammers?


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