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Re: happy endings [Re: quinn]
    #18872063 - 09/21/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yah quinn that's cool

I sometimes do try and put a nice spin on cycles. like it doesn't matter what I do, the nature of existence is cyclic. so may as well try and use those cycles to my advantage. one time 'round might seem rough, and so the next time 'round i might try to view it in a different way in order to lighten up about it, and the next time 'round i might actually be able to float on it a bit.

but in the end i don't think existence is particularly enjoyable as a whole. we come into the world screaming and crying for the most part and then we struggle against circumstances for quite a while trying to make it better, finding some relief here and there but never for long, and then eventually we can't even really struggle for better any longer and finally the inevitable happens; we die.

IMO the voice is pointing out to me, at least in part, that such a coping mechanism is blind to the ways in which I am willingly subjecting myself to this sort of cyclic existence. to go after a positive outcome in any sense means that I have to be seeing a negative outcome. it points right at desires IMO. and more specifically at me being ignorant of the nature of my desires and their role in keeping me pressing forward in pursuit of a happy ending.


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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18872102 - 09/21/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: happy endings [Re: tribesman]
    #18872120 - 09/21/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I can read it too many ways, how do you mean it? :smile:


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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18872132 - 09/21/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How to crucify the ego? As it's yoyo'ing cycles are becoming more frequent. How do I subdue this delinquent and it's subsequent blindings.


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Re: happy endings [Re: tribesman]
    #18872147 - 09/21/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

“To understand the limitation of things, desire them.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching


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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18872165 - 09/21/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

...and from desiring liberation?


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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18872186 - 09/21/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Kickle said:
“To understand the limitation of things, desire them.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching




I bet you are fun to hang out with.  Always full of interesting stuff.

I mean not that we aren't "hanging around" here.



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Re: happy endings [Re: tribesman] * 1
    #18872194 - 09/21/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I suppose one finds the limitations born of such a desire and then either works to overcome those limitations or surrenders to them.


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Re: happy endings [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #18872237 - 09/21/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
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Kickle said:
“To understand the limitation of things, desire them.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching




I bet you are fun to hang out with.  Always full of interesting stuff.

I mean not that we aren't "hanging around" here.






You get the best of me here on the forums. I'm a better writer than speaker. Not that I'm inept in person, I just don't think as clearly when I speak as when I type.

Thanks though :grin:


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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18872258 - 09/21/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm a better writer than speaker. Not that I'm inept in person, I just don't think as clearly when I speak as when I type.

Which should logically work the same for everyone apart from dyslectics and people with low or no reading comprehension and writing skill.


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Re: happy endings [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18872323 - 09/21/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm a better writer than speaker. Not that I'm inept in person, I just don't think as clearly when I speak as when I type.

Which should logically work the same for everyone apart from dyslectics and people with low or no reading and writing comprehension.




Isn't it dyslexics?


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Re: happy endings [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #18872361 - 09/21/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That was the point.


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Re: happy endings [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18872370 - 09/21/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That was the point.




I just never know with you.  Always one step ahead like a tap dancer.

Or something.


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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18872376 - 09/21/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
Quote:

Kickle said:
“To understand the limitation of things, desire them.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching




I bet you are fun to hang out with.  Always full of interesting stuff.

I mean not that we aren't "hanging around" here.






You get the best of me here on the forums. I'm a better writer than speaker. Not that I'm inept in person, I just don't think as clearly when I speak as when I type.

Thanks though :grin:




You're welcome.  I don't think clearly, ever, so that's how that goes.


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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18872381 - 09/21/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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I suppose one finds the limitations born of such a desire and then either works to overcome those limitations or surrenders to them.





Am I in the wrong forum?


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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
    #18872472 - 09/21/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

ya cool post. i will just add, i see nothing wrong with positive desires or seeing negative outcomes so long as the desires are realizable & realistic (which otherwise would cause suffering in their unfulfillment)..

life is so weird tho.. *sigh*.


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Re: happy endings [Re: quinn]
    #18872512 - 09/21/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i posted something in my journal once that said 'i want to become a good will monster'.

it was kind of related to this idea, that idk if i can ever be totally realistic or rational but if you have to be a monster of some kind at least be one that produces a surplus of good will :crazy:


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Re: happy endings [Re: quinn]
    #18872557 - 09/21/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
That was the point.




I just never know with you.  Always one step ahead like a tap dancer.

Or something.



Things could be better.


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Re: happy endings [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18872777 - 09/21/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
That was the point.




I just never know with you.  Always one step ahead like a tap dancer.

Or something.



Things could be better.




Holy shit.  Metallica Through The Never On IMAX.

How could things get any better?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2172935/



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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #18874582 - 09/22/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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but in the end i don't think existence is particularly enjoyable as a whole. we come into the world screaming and crying for the most part and then we struggle against circumstances for quite a while trying to make it better, finding some relief here and there but never for long, and then eventually we can't even really struggle for better any longer and finally the inevitable happens; we die.





It's this thinking that makes it hard for me to care about trying to 'make something of myself'. You work your ass off for fleeting pleasure, and after the initial self-satisfied rush, you quickly acclimate to your new environment and hope to find the next source of that ego inflating rush.

I've seen so many examples of this in miserable yet wealthy men.


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