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Kundalani problems
    #18871314 - 09/21/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

ANyone ever experienced any? If you do spirituality wrong, or too fast and/or in unbalanced ways you can apparently cause problems with your kundalani.

I only found out about this recently but I feel like it might explain something that happened to me at age 20 which set me back an entire decade in my spiritual path.

Basically, i raised my kundalani too quickly and blew my identity apart. This resulted in one part of me being at an extremely high level of awareness, while the other part was still operating with the immaturity level of a madadlusted 20 year old. a rift in my mind formed aand I had no idea what it was or what to do about it, only thing I knew was that it caused me great great suffering and nearly lead to suicide. I spent many years attempting to escape the suffering through abuse of all manner of hard drugs until I got back on the spiritual path. I am now wondering if what happened was indeed something to do with my kundalani.


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Re: Kundalani problems [Re: Deviate]
    #18871727 - 09/21/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I never experienced such a thing, I raised Kundalini by force/will and all that happened at that time was I became aware of the pineal gland.

I have heard others say things like that though.

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Re: Kundalani problems [Re: teknix]
    #18871924 - 09/21/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My kundalini experience (most profound one) put me into a psychosis where I was convinced, by myself, family, work, radio, thoughts, to kill myself to break free from the illusion.

Couldn't eat, couldn't sleep for more than 3 hours without waking up DRENCHED in sweat from terrible dreams, and it was literally like I had never slept. The absolute moment I would wake up, the thoughts fired again.

When I say my thoughts, family, everyone convinced me.... it was as if the WHOLE OF EXISTENCE was pressuring me with signs suggesting suicide is the way to Truth. Because "THAT" is LOVE and "THIS" is illusion.

Funny how the actual experience prior to the psychosis was one of beauty, one that touched my heart moreso than any other experience prior, and still to this day.

EDIT: I also find it funny how whether it's some random song on the radio, random article online, random work talk, random ANYTHING, it always suggested I kill myself in the way it synchronized.

It seems silly to talk about now, but damn it this was such a hellish experience.


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Re: Kundalani problems [Re: Angel_Above] * 1
    #18872050 - 09/21/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You guys are confusing kundalini with basic mental energy. It's bandied about constantly - kundalini this, kundalini that.  You can't see or feel, or hear kundalini.  Kundalini means 'finer than hair.' 

Also, you will not have kundalini without initiation. Kundalini is God's grace.  You are not given kundalini if it's going to ruin your life. How can you blame your nervous breakdowns on God's grace and not on drugs.

Get real.


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Re: Kundalani problems [Re: eve69]
    #18872273 - 09/21/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Kundalini comes from the sanskrit word for coiled (i.e., like a snake) and refers, in yogic terms, to latent energy that can be raised through the nadis.

The yogic literature includes many methods of raising kundalini (including practices related to posture, breathing, meditation, visualization, etc.), of which shaktipat is only one.


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Re: Kundalani problems [Re: eve69]
    #18872608 - 09/21/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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eve69 said:
You guys are confusing kundalini with basic mental energy. It's bandied about constantly - kundalini this, kundalini that.  You can't see or feel, or hear kundalini.  Kundalini means 'finer than hair.' 

Also, you will not have kundalini without initiation. Kundalini is God's grace.  You are not given kundalini if it's going to ruin your life. How can you blame your nervous breakdowns on God's grace and not on drugs.

Get real.





Oh I absolutely blame drugs. Where did I say I blamed God and why are you always accusing me of doing something wrong in every thread? If I had been following God back then instead of abusing psychedelics to the extreme, my problems would never have happened. But it wasn't a direct effect of drugs either, there were other factors at play, namely the fact that I wasn't just taking drugs and milling about. I was always meditating while high trying to gain enlighenment and forge a new identity which became an obsession for me because I was very unhappy with who I was back then.


I made this thread to ask, not to declare anything. I don't pretend to know  much about kundalani. I stated in the OP that I only recently found out about kundalani problems and through reading about them, I realized the symptoms I read about matched a lot of what I experienced.

I am a good example of why one should think twice before embarking on a completely drug centered path to enlightenment all alone with no teachers or co-explorers at age 19 while already suffering a lot of developmental issues.

Maybe now you will understand why I became religious. I desperately needed structure in my spiritual life and I found that structure in religion. W


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Re: Kundalani problems [Re: Deviate]
    #18873226 - 09/21/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Actually kundalini comes from 'kundal' which means 'lock of hair', and 'ini' which means 'smaller than.'

All the classic claptrap about coil at the base of the spine, can be awoken through many means and so on are pointers but not reality. It simply cannot be awoken by mistake and by stupidity or drug use. 

What people are experiencing is fucked up chi or prana which has been misaligned by a screwed up mind.  There are 5 pranas which exist throughout the whole body. If you screw one up with too much vata you can get what they call in Ayurveda - vata-derangement or what Tibetan yogis call - I forget but it means 'fucked up by too much prana.'  It's a really messed up situation and takes years to calm - much sleep. exercise and healthy living. 

All that shit is not kundalini. 

Kundalini liberates, burns like fire and frees the spirit. It makes you feel perfect.


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Re: Kundalani problems [Re: eve69]
    #18873747 - 09/21/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

An interesting etymological perspective but not one shared by others.

Miriam Webster notes:

"Origin of KUNDALINI
Sanskrit kuṇḍalinī, from feminine of kuṇḍalin circular, coiled, from kuṇḍala ring"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kundalini

Turning to a source from the perspective of classical yoga:

"Kundalini Yoga is that Yoga which treats of Kundalini Sakti, the six centres of spiritual energy (Shat Chakras), the arousing of the sleeping Kundalini Sakti and its union with Lord Siva in Sahasrara Chakra, at the crown of the head. This is an exact science. This is also known as Laya Yoga. The six centres are pierced (Chakra Bheda) by the passing of Kundalini Sakti to the top of the head. ‘Kundala’ means ‘coiled’. Her form is like a coiled serpent. Hence the name Kundalini."

http://www.dlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm

Discussions of the methods of awakening and the dangers associated with experiences for which one is unprepared are ubiquitous in the literature and consistent with the direct experience of many practitioners.  You are, of course, free to dismiss the classical sources and their modern counterparts as "claptrap", along with the experiences of others; and to assert both that you have had a kundalini experience and that it is authentic in a way you feel others are not.  It's always interesting to get others' perspectives on topics like this.


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Re: Kundalani problems [Re: eve69]
    #18873986 - 09/21/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You guys are confusing kundalini with basic mental energy. It's bandied about constantly - kundalini this, kundalini that.  You can't see or feel, or hear kundalini.  Kundalini means 'finer than hair.' 

Also, you will not have kundalini without initiation. Kundalini is God's grace.  You are not given kundalini if it's going to ruin your life. How can you blame your nervous breakdowns on God's grace and not on drugs.

Get real.





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Maybe not in your case but people can definitely feel Kundalini.

I had a kundalini awakening before I ever received Shaktipat.

Plenty of people have had terrible experiences from awakened Kundalini. I'm pretty sure "Autobiography of a Yogi" spoke of the difficulties but I could be mistaken and it could be a different well-known book.

Your ego breaks down because of a kundalini awakening but if one persistently clings to their belief structures and energy imprints then it could definitely mess up a life.


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Re: Kundalani problems [Re: NastyDHL]
    #18876664 - 09/22/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well, especially since TM there have been a lot of American yogis. I guess SRF too. They say one can have shaktipat five ways and one of if the guru just looks at you .  But that's pretty out there.  You friends parents could have been TMers or Kriya people.  You still had the connection. Kundalini doesn't happen where induction hasn't occurred. It's a crucial moment of surrender and proximity. If you remember such moments then share.


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