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TheSillyStudent
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Shrooms for healing
#18872218 - 09/21/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey everybody, this is my first post. For the past few months I have gotten interested with spiritual subjects as well as psychedelics. I have never done any psychedelics yet (unless MDMA counts). I have had a lot of really negative self-esteem for the last seven years of my life, partially stemming from a lot of social issues in early high school. I went through a break up last year which really affected me. I often have a really hard time motivating myself to do anything and have an insane amount of self criticism. I have heard that psilocybin can help with anxiety/depression but that it can also enhance it. I would like to figure out how to overcome my internal issues and am wondering whether a mushroom experience would help or actually hurt me. Ever since I went to EDC and took four points of molly and smoked a joint I've had a lot of really pessimistic views of the world and I can't decide if they're legitimate fears or paranoid delusions. What do y'all think? Would shrooms help or hurt?
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: rikuni]
#18872421 - 09/21/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Even the bad or "negative" trips have A LOT to teach you. That's why I never consider a trip bad.
Up to you, make sure you have a comfortable non worrysome set and setting if you decide to. Personally I say I go for it, your path has lead you to this point and you seem like your ready
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If you have a great time and a good trip, it'll teach you to love yourself and love your world around you and you'll have a very peaceful, spiritual experience.
If you let yourself turn sour, however, and the trip becomes negative, you'll be faced with the things you hate about yourself and learn how to deal with them the hard way.
It's best to stay positive and accept everything that you feel, and keep good vibes. But even if the experience turns sour, just breathe and realize that you're still learning something from it.
Just remember, the shroom experience comes from within YOU. It's a reflection of yourself.
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: MoonSpirit]
#18874484 - 09/22/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it's great you want your first experience to be the start of your healing process. It will take a lot of time and effort on your part to create a healing program for yourself. Each time you trip you will be given the opportunity to work through issues and then integrate the experience into your life.
The first times you trip will be a huge learning time because you're acclimating your mind and body to the mushrooms. You're going to want a trip buddy, trip sitter, whatever... you just need to be comfortable with the situation and people. I don't suggest shrooming for the first time at a huge party.
Tripping will bring up these issues you need to work through, and you can't stop them when they come. If you're untangling the emotional repression of your teenage years in the comfort of your own home or a solo camping trip, you're going to make progress. If you instead choose to do that same trip with a bunch of people you don't know/feel comfortable with, you're probable going to have a bad trip.
Positive intention, location, plan, people, mindset. I HIGHLY INSIST that you read this book before you have your first trip.
http://decomposingtheshadow.com/
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I've always had a more "pessimistic" view of myself and the world prior to taking shrooms my first time. However, I've always been able to handle my shit well, sober or not. Even during some of my worse and more intense trips, I've always been able to kind of put the bad on "pause" and tell myself to chill out.
I wanted to try shrooms, not necessarily to "heal" but more to find out who I am and what it can teach me, if anything at all.
And for the reasons listed above, I think your interest in shrooms are for the right reasons. I would just suggest that you:
1) Go into it expecting nothing. Enter with a relaxed state of mind, on a day when you won't be disturbed for the day of and day after, 0 anxiety or fear, and a happy mood. 2) Do it with a friend or many more. 3) Do an eighth 4) Let go, let loose, relax
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: daedream]
#18879453 - 09/23/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I personally suggest doing it at night when everyone is sleeping. I did this my first time and loved it. I just tripped during the day a couple days ago, and I think I'm more of a night tripper. There's just something about the peaceful starry sky at night that's mesmerizing.
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Shrooms can help or hurt. They tend to affirm life and a sense of self worth, but you can easily abuse them for the opposite purpose.
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Asante]
#18881432 - 09/23/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am planning on doing them for the first time with one of my best friends and an old religious school teacher who is a very spiritual dude, very into wicca and the like. We are going to do them at his little place in the woods. Does this sound like a good set/setting? I am worried that I will be really nervous when it actually comes down to doing the shrooms and will have a hard time letting go. As a pretty uptight guy, how would you all recommend calming down to get into the right head space? I often get all worked up and anxious when I smoke weed.
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Sounds like a great place to start. It's normal to feel anxious, don't let it get to you. You're going to have a great time once it kicks in. Think about and do what makes you feel relaxed and get into that headspace. Try reading some trip reports on here or erowid. You'll be fine.
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My last trip had me crying in the shower. Then I got out and stared at myself in the mirror and cried some more while asking my reflection "who are you?" ..Pretty much cried for 6 hours...
In hindsight it greatly healed me.
I'm one of those that think shroom trips are beneficial regardless if you are having a good trip or not.
Its the reflection of the trip afterwords that will alter you moving forward.
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: cez]
#18892381 - 09/26/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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To get to the right headspace you should clear you thoughts and just be. Meditation is useful for anxiety. I would also recommend making a calming playlist of music you like to help let go. Stereodose.com always puts me in the right mood. The trip is about you, even if you are with other people. So prepare for it to go as you want it to.
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TheSillyStudent said: I am planning on doing them for the first time with one of my best friends and an old religious school teacher who is a very spiritual dude, very into wicca and the like. We are going to do them at his little place in the woods. Does this sound like a good set/setting? I am worried that I will be really nervous when it actually comes down to doing the shrooms and will have a hard time letting go. As a pretty uptight guy, how would you all recommend calming down to get into the right head space? I often get all worked up and anxious when I smoke weed.
Your getting some great advice and encouragement here. Tripping in the natrual environment can be really powerful. Regarding you feeling anxious. Anxiety has a lot to do with breathing to. If you can allow yourself to breath slow and deep this will help. There is this Aussie guy's tape I have called 'groaning and toning'. I can't find him on Youtube so will have to summarize.
Get into a comfortable position and groan from your belly (not from the throat/shallow). REALLY groan uninhibitedly. Then take a deep breath and do it again. So this several times. Now what your gonna do now you are getting the feel of your voice coming from deep in you is make tones from the vowels, a, e, u. But you start with one, U. And you start at a low tone that is comfortable for your range. So, take a deep breath and make the ton U, and like said it is to come from deep in you so you begin to feel your whole body vibrate, and you will begin hearing overtones. So you focus on a tone, and take a deep breath and do it again--then raise the tone a bit and keeping doing this till you reach the limit of your range and then go onto the next vowel E (you 'smile' this tone up), and you do same as with U, and then A (ahhhhh). Doing this really unblocks things in you and gives you a vibratory sense of feeling, and relaxes you very much. So doing this before you take a trip would be beneficial in many ways. You could even try it when tripping. It is AMAZING. I have recorded myself singing when on magic mushrooms, and it is magical---you also have more breath
#oh forgot to add, that when you try this groaning and toning , include the groaning in places to keep encouraging the sound is coming from your bowels, and your not caught up making voice from the throat. It is all about encouraging the DEEP vibratory soulful sound of your being. Soon it becomes easier to do, and you know your doing it right when you feel like your vibrating with the sound and hearing overtones
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: MoonSpirit]
#18892890 - 09/26/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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KelseyRain said: I personally suggest doing it at night when everyone is sleeping. I did this my first time and loved it. I just tripped during the day a couple days ago, and I think I'm more of a night tripper. There's just something about the peaceful starry sky at night that's mesmerizing.
Yes, a LOT of people have no sanctuary where they go physically go to and just BE themselves---especially to have psychedelic experiences-- do they? And have peace and quiet.
So can you explain your night time session? Did you have music through earphones or not. What if you had felt urge to cry for what ever reason OR giggle? How could you do this without disturbing someone etc? I would just love to know as much detail as possible, if you will, how the set and setting was?
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: zzripz]
#18894641 - 09/26/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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KelseyRain said: I personally suggest doing it at night when everyone is sleeping. I did this my first time and loved it. I just tripped during the day a couple days ago, and I think I'm more of a night tripper. There's just something about the peaceful starry sky at night that's mesmerizing.
Yes, a LOT of people have no sanctuary where they go physically go to and just BE themselves---especially to have psychedelic experiences-- do they? And have peace and quiet.
So can you explain your night time session? Did you have music through earphones or not. What if you had felt urge to cry for what ever reason OR giggle? How could you do this without disturbing someone etc? I would just love to know as much detail as possible, if you will, how the set and setting was?
I was concerned about the giggling thing, but I've never laughed on shrooms. I don't laugh on salvia either, so I think it just depends on the person. I had no music on. My room was dimly lit by the hanging christmas lights and candles. The only thing I felt at first was a rush in my body, it felt like I was rolling on MDMA but very soft...if that makes sense. I never felt the urge to cry. I only felt love, peace, serenity and tranquility. I took some GABA pills before the shrooms. My room was quiet and I went into it expecting nothing (which is best). Eventually I listened to some rustic-sounding music (Safe & Sound by Civil Wars), and went outside to my front yard and was amazed with the world.
Idk OP. Just don't be afraid and don't let any negative feelings manifest. Just let go and accept and relax. You'll have a beautiful time if you stop thinking and just talk and do things that make you happy, and your trip will build on that happiness.
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: MoonSpirit]
#18905882 - 09/29/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did it last Thursday night after several years of not having a trip and it was AMAZING...
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: zzripz]
#18906471 - 09/29/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Read this message and then see for yourself.
For my money, aya and mescaline are something I would always try, if I had any kind of self-esteem or depression issues. If they're available, these connection points are very likely to help, and at least for me, have never hurt in any way. At worst I get a few days of improved mood after which I get back to my meh self, and at best I get weeks and months of awesome, new ideas, a cheerful vibe and zest for life and adventure, that IMO are exactly what makes life worth living.
Be all that you can be, connect with your shroom destiny
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Spacerific]
#18907910 - 09/29/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand
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TheSillyStudent said: Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand
...what I usually do with deep question is look closer at the terms being used, cause you can be unconscious of them. So I am gonna look at the etymology of the term 'heal'
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heal (v.) L Old English hælan "cure; save; make whole, sound and well," from Proto-Germanic *hailjan (cf. Old Saxon helian, Old Norse heila, Old Frisian hela, Dutch helen, German heilen, Gothic ga-hailjan "to heal, cure"), literally "to make whole" (see health). Related: Healed; healing.
"to make whole".
This to me says that to be made whole is to undo what a culture which divides and controls does to you--which is fuck you up. And then you have to explore all about how it does all that. For example --western cultures have invaded native cultures and totally fucked up their communities, murdering people, enslaving them, banning them from partaking of their sacred medicine, taking their children away and forcing them into schools which force them to give up their language, taking their land away and their tradition, etc etc. Can you see how all of this is harmful, and definitely not wholesome?
So do you think they---the fascists--have ONLY done it to native peoples? OR do you think that we have a history where this abuse has been done to OUR anscestors and now we live in a world of vast abuse which causes much dis-ease? If you look into all this you may understand how psychedelics can heal, and the reason why this culture/civilization is so against them.
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: zzripz]
#18909988 - 09/30/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I mean mushrooms will make you face your shit. You can't run away from your problems when you're trippin'. But they make you face your shit in a way that's loving and constructive (most of the time). They can definitely help you work through your issues and discover who you really are. I say do it. Sounds like a good setting for a first trip but there are no words that can prepare someone for tripping. That said it's a good thing to do if you truly want to embrace life and see clearly what's holding you back so you can deal with it and move on.
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TheSillyStudent said: Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand
They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.
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Also, they alt-tab you from your regular train of thoughts and habits, to a fresh way of thinking about things, and from that new place you find new definitions for you, your problems, your whole world.
For quite some hours you have warmth and love and caring and confidence, that help you accept and also face your problems (internally) from a much better place. You can actually do what the AA people talk about: change the things you can, accept the things you can't, and actually know the difference.
Take'em if you have'em, you can't be told what the mushroom matrix is, you have to connect for yourself and experience the awesome.
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Spacerific]
#18912029 - 09/30/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think psilocybin mushrooms can heal people. Before I encountered them I was very insecure and depressed, periodically wanting to die. It wasn't always like this though and after experiencing psilocybin mushrooms I realized that the last few years had actually been really weird. I wasn't even aware of the way I was feeling until whatever was wrong was gone or healed. I now feel like I have for most of my life and can't even describe the way I felt. I lost the ability to feel. I questioned why I couldn't cry for things, why I couldn't feel empathy. I wanted to die even though I KNEW that I had an awesome life with people who love me. It was completely irrational. When I looked into the mirror I LITERALLY saw an ugly person. Now I see a beautiful person in the mirror and always smile as a result. I can feel empathy again and actually care. For this I am thankful
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TheSillyStudent said: Hey everybody, this is my first post. For the past few months I have gotten interested with spiritual subjects as well as psychedelics. I have never done any psychedelics yet (unless MDMA counts). I have had a lot of really negative self-esteem for the last seven years of my life, partially stemming from a lot of social issues in early high school. I went through a break up last year which really affected me. I often have a really hard time motivating myself to do anything and have an insane amount of self criticism. I have heard that psilocybin can help with anxiety/depression but that it can also enhance it. I would like to figure out how to overcome my internal issues and am wondering whether a mushroom experience would help or actually hurt me. Ever since I went to EDC and took four points of molly and smoked a joint I've had a lot of really pessimistic views of the world and I can't decide if they're legitimate fears or paranoid delusions. What do y'all think? Would shrooms help or hurt?
More than likely help. It doesn't really sound like you need "healing" even though that's a popular idea in this culture. What you need is more like positivity, and that's something you'll get from your first ecstatic trip. Don't underestimate the power of mushrooms to serve as motivators, they will and can lift you right out of your rut, with their ability to show you truth in your own life. It seems rare IME to find them enhancing anxiety (at least not past the comeup), and they generally do a number on depression for me, provided the dose is sufficient to experience a full blown trip. Less than that isn't as effective, although there are reports from people finding it helpful. You might have to just try and see.
You can always start small, and that's what I recommend. Then ramp it up as you become comfortable. The mushrooms aren't going away anytime soon. 
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18913855 - 09/30/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP, here is the end result:
and here is the awesome magical process: Lemon tek yourself a nice glass, make peace with your gods and
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TheSillyStudent said: Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand
They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.
what do you mean "they don't literally heal you"? For a start, what is 'shedding layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self' NOT healing according to you. What is literal healing mean for you?
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: zzripz]
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TheSillyStudent said: Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand
They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.
what do you mean "they don't literally heal you"? For a start, what is 'shedding layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self' NOT healing according to you. What is literal healing mean for you?
I can only speak for myself, but if Black Sunset means what I think he means, then I have to agree.
Mushrooms don't heal you, but they can teach you how to heal yourself. Something like that? That has been my experience, anyway.
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^agreed.
Tripping itself will not heal you. Facing down issues and worries in your life can. Tripping can help make help bring these concerns to the forefront of your mind, and allow you to view them from a new perspective.
This involves thought and effort though. Hiding from concerns can end up with a negative trip, ignoring them can be a fun trip. There are many ways it can go but I definitely agree that tripping can be used as a tool for healing.
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Actually ( ) mushrooms are incredible healers, particularly considering the direct spiritual access they allow. If you don't know this or haven't experienced it you haven't gone deep enough, no offense. 
Nothing wrong with using them to confront and resolve issues in your life, but that's really only the beginning. 
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Fair play, I will certainly bow to your experience on that one.
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Ah gee, it wasn't directed at you personally, I just replied to the thread at large... And I entirely agree with you, it's just that there's another level to it as well. 
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18915603 - 10/01/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My view was pretty pessimistic from smoking weed everyday (up to 1/8th a day skunk)
especially when I stopped, for a while after
lsd/shrooms helped me find my soul, especially lsd....
try getting some good lsd... it's priceless
shrooms can sometimes give bad trips, lsd never does
shrooms are just as good if you can avoid the bad trips... (eat them as chocolates for good trip.... no taste, no nausea, no bad trip)
surround yourself by nature and psytrance
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TheSillyStudent said: Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand
They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.
They can also strip everything away from you that you created against yourself if you go far enough (egodeath)
but then if you make it from there depends on your earlier life, current life situation, environment (actually I don't think it depends on anything... you will not remember your earlier life... there is only NOW... reborn)
it helped me, but it is a complete reset of everything you know seeing yourself and your world from new, would only recommend it
shrooms can do it too on 3-5g chocolates often
reset brain, remember who you are
that and nature+psytrance helped me find myself
....but before you go ther eyou must have some solid experience with psychedelics IMO I had 100 trips before it happened suddenly the trips help you let go of any fear each time, until you got hardly any fear left take high doses of lsd (3 hits always after your initial few trips), easier to let go of fear then
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TheSillyStudent said: Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand
They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.
what do you mean "they don't literally heal you"? For a start, what is 'shedding layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self' NOT healing according to you. What is literal healing mean for you?
I can only speak for myself, but if Black Sunset means what I think he means, then I have to agree.
Mushrooms don't heal you, but they can teach you how to heal yourself. Something like that? That has been my experience, anyway.
Exactly. Here's an analogy: You break your arm and get an x-ray to see what's wrong. The x-ray doesn't heal you but it does show exactly what and where the fractures are. The doctor uses the insight from the x-ray to heal you
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Does is give you insight on how to fix the problems, or just shows you them?
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Black_Sunset said: They don't literally heal you. They shed layers of mental barriers allowing the user clearer access to their core self. This new perspective of uninhibited thought can bring clarity to personal issues with hard work and goal setting. Therefore, they are a tool for healing.
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Black_Sunset said: Exactly. Here's an analogy: You break your arm and get an x-ray to see what's wrong. The x-ray doesn't heal you but it does show exactly what and where the fractures are. The doctor uses the insight from the x-ray to heal you
You won't understand until you eat the mushrooms sillystudent
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I can only speak for myself, but if Black Sunset means what I think he means, then I have to agree.
Mushrooms don't heal you, but they can teach you how to heal yourself. Something like that? That has been my experience, anyway.
Exactly. Here's an analogy: You break your arm and get an x-ray to see what's wrong. The x-ray doesn't heal you but it does show exactly what and where the fractures are. The doctor uses the insight from the x-ray to heal you
ooops x-rays can potentially harm you. they are radiation! Of course I understand how they can show you stuff, but.....health is complex. In the western model they look at you as a biochemical machine which has symptoms. This mechanistic model rarely --if at all--looks at causes of dis-ease. In fact it is such a Big Business now which functions in a capitalist model, and so wants to increase profits and expand its empire and so this will mean not WANTING to explore root causes of illness and rather maintain illness, and by doing this can have you taking their drugs for the rest of your life. And lots of these drugs have killed people, and/or have 'side effects' which are harmful and then are treated as other diseases that need drugs. So you have old people on a cupboard full of drugs.
WHY is it that this massive medical industry is not allowed and/or refuses to use natural organic plants for healing, and demands that food is not medicine. Why is it that hashish oil which is purported by non-mainstream research to cure cancer is prohibited?
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: zzripz]
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that one will heal you, if you eat 4g mushrooms , or take 3 hits of LSD :-)
try it, I promise
but work your way up if you are unsure about the dose, start with 1½ hit of lsd first trip and 2.5-3g mushrooms i.e.
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: lessismore]
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I think it is the intention that counts.
If taken with the intent to heal, every resulting trip (good/bad/in between) will be significant and interpreted from the intention of healing.
I had not taken mushrooms for three years and recently started taking them again as I lost my old, happy self and had become depressed.
One of the trips was utter madness and hell and showed me what it is like to be truly anxious, truly desperate, truly uncertain, etc. All the things that bothered me were taken to the absolute extreme.
It was in fact very healing as I could realise that I was in fact OK. Everything could be far, far worse. Yes, I was depressed, but it was not nearly as bad as the shroom experience showed me it could be. It instilled confidence. I could overcome this. I have taken the action needed to overcome the depression and largely hold the shrooms responsible for kick starting my recovery.
If your intentions are right, you will be served.
God/the Universe/Psychedelics work in mysterious ways.
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: GoldenEye]
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GoldenEye said: I think it is the intention that counts.
If taken with the intent to heal, every resulting trip (good/bad/in between) will be significant and interpreted from the intention of healing.
I had not taken mushrooms for three years and recently started taking them again as I lost my old, happy self and had become depressed.
One of the trips was utter madness and hell and showed me what it is like to be truly anxious, truly desperate, truly uncertain, etc. All the things that bothered me were taken to the absolute extreme.
It was in fact very healing as I could realise that I was in fact OK. Everything could be far, far worse. Yes, I was depressed, but it was not nearly as bad as the shroom experience showed me it could be. It instilled confidence. I could overcome this. I have taken the action needed to overcome the depression and largely hold the shrooms responsible for kick starting my recovery.
If your intentions are right, you will be served.
God/the Universe/Psychedelics work in mysterious ways.
Yes! That's great man, really great. They did the same for me. Sacred medicine, I call them!
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: GoldenEye]
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I think that if you are trying to straighten out your life and find some peace you won't find it with drugs. Drugs are for exploring new frontiers and experiencing new sensations. Finding yourself? I dunno...
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: GoldenEye]
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Your psyche tries to balance itself
like everything in the universe
if you are sad, you look for happiness unconsciously and you find that happiness within yourself, by being without thought
mushrooms can help you be without thought... and help you look into yourself to realize mistakes , correct them, and be happy (selfreflection) keep doing what makes you happy stop doing what makes you unhappy , that happens automatically once you begin to reflect on the self, then you start to reflect on it in daily life too and remember what makes you happy
your real values in life that you might have forgotten...
I was very depressed/careless about myself before I did LSD/mushrooms, now I can never be depressed again, it has lasted up to 6-8 months at a time, that's as far as I usually go up to without dosing made me quit daily weed/cig smoking, and eating pizzas daily
peace/love from inside ever since that day, but it took a very high dose to get there, and first happened after 100 trips (egodeath on lsd, 2 dalai lamas, is about 6 hofmanns) has since happened on 4g mushrooms too, didn't expect that...
egodeath takes a very long time to process, maybe a lifetime, so don't trip as much anymore
but now I remember who I am, didn't before for over a decade... but I thought I did
but happiness everyday doesn't lie :-) before I was hardly ever happy
yes... they are definitely sacred, now I'm trying to spread that love to others as best as I can... because I realize I'm lucky to be happy most days, most people are not
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: GoldenEye]
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GoldenEye said: I think it is the intention that counts.
If taken with the intent to heal, every resulting trip (good/bad/in between) will be significant and interpreted from the intention of healing.
I had not taken mushrooms for three years and recently started taking them again as I lost my old, happy self and had become depressed.
One of the trips was utter madness and hell and showed me what it is like to be truly anxious, truly desperate, truly uncertain, etc. All the things that bothered me were taken to the absolute extreme.
It was in fact very healing as I could realise that I was in fact OK. Everything could be far, far worse. Yes, I was depressed, but it was not nearly as bad as the shroom experience showed me it could be. It instilled confidence. I could overcome this. I have taken the action needed to overcome the depression and largely hold the shrooms responsible for kick starting my recovery.
If your intentions are right, you will be served.
God/the Universe/Psychedelics work in mysterious ways.
These are good points. 
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TheSillyStudent said: Hey everybody, this is my first post. For the past few months I have gotten interested with spiritual subjects as well as psychedelics. I have never done any psychedelics yet (unless MDMA counts). I have had a lot of really negative self-esteem for the last seven years of my life, partially stemming from a lot of social issues in early high school. I went through a break up last year which really affected me. I often have a really hard time motivating myself to do anything and have an insane amount of self criticism. I have heard that psilocybin can help with anxiety/depression but that it can also enhance it. I would like to figure out how to overcome my internal issues and am wondering whether a mushroom experience would help or actually hurt me. Ever since I went to EDC and took four points of molly and smoked a joint I've had a lot of really pessimistic views of the world and I can't decide if they're legitimate fears or paranoid delusions. What do y'all think? Would shrooms help or hurt?
If you are really suffering from debilitating depression and anxiety I first suggest you turn to key support nutrition.
I did not believe in anxiety/depression until I got it, and after going thru the dr for a while decided that living on ssri's and benzos was no way to live.
I think anxiety and depression can be caused by situational shit , but when you go through emotional stress, your body uses more of certain things...so you can become depleted faster.
Also, drinking alcohol often is known to cause a deficiency in B vitamins, and using seratonin affecting drugs can cause the same type of effects. Lot of the side effects from these issues can easily be alleviated by taking a b complex, potassium, iodine, and magnesium.
I sought out a homeopath witchdoctor lady who promptly got me on a b complex plus c, and a potassium iodine supplement (kelp pills after my symptoms eased).
This was three years ago and I still take the supplements, plus a few more, I am sold. I didn't realize at the time what exactly our body needs to function normally, and if you get depleted of key minerals , shit can go haywire causing your body to produce or not produce the right level of hormones and enzymes and etc.
I was pretty scared to trip in the state of mind I was in with the depression and anxiety. I knew taking the ssri's I would not be able to trip because of seratonin interference. Just be a waste.
Vitamins saved my ass. Im no dr, check with yours before you embark on a bunch of vitamins or herbs, but take a look at your diet...are you really getting what you need every day?
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How do you know when it would be unsafe for you to try these substances?
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TheSillyStudent said: How do you know when it would be unsafe for you to try these substances?
If and when you're massively suicidal, you shouldn't mess with them. Otherwise you can always take a small test dose to judge for yourself, and take it from there.
You take a small dose and wait 2 hours. You'll be fine, you won't shatter from a small one. Again, assuming you're NOT suicidal and seriously messed up in the head. You'll get a mild trip or buzz, and know that no, your head has not exploded. Then you wait 1-2 weeks for the tolerance to go down, and then boy oh boy, your first ever actual proper shroooooooom trip, with space liquids and spiraling plasma membranes 
The thing about mushrooms that most people don't understand before taking them, is that shrooooooms are full of oooooooooooooooooom 
Oh and if depressed, please do some of this stuff as well, it does help. Don't expect the shrooms to fill your need for sunlight, sleep and exercise, you have to also put in some work yourself. Maybe your head is down and depressed a bit, the shrooms may help with that, but the body you will need to work yourself, for best results.
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Spacerific]
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I occasionally find that when I smoke weed after the initial high wears off I start to feel a certain calmness and personal strength that I don't normally experience. I become outgoing and confident and see myself in a much more positive light. Eventually this feeling wears off though and I'm back to my normal self. Do mushrooms cause similar feelings but with effects in the long-term?
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If you make the effort to change you will see effects in the long term. Mushrooms show you the way, it's up to you to follow the path.
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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: GoldenEye]
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GoldenEye said: I think it is the intention that counts.
If taken with the intent to heal, every resulting trip (good/bad/in between) will be significant and interpreted from the intention of healing.
I had not taken mushrooms for three years and recently started taking them again as I lost my old, happy self and had become depressed.
One of the trips was utter madness and hell and showed me what it is like to be truly anxious, truly desperate, truly uncertain, etc. All the things that bothered me were taken to the absolute extreme.
It was in fact very healing as I could realise that I was in fact OK. Everything could be far, far worse. Yes, I was depressed, but it was not nearly as bad as the shroom experience showed me it could be. It instilled confidence. I could overcome this. I have taken the action needed to overcome the depression and largely hold the shrooms responsible for kick starting my recovery.
If your intentions are right, you will be served.
God/the Universe/Psychedelics work in mysterious ways.
These are good points. 
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GoldenEye said: I think it is the intention that counts.
If taken with the intent to heal, every resulting trip (good/bad/in between) will be significant and interpreted from the intention of healing.
I had not taken mushrooms for three years and recently started taking them again as I lost my old, happy self and had become depressed.
One of the trips was utter madness and hell and showed me what it is like to be truly anxious, truly desperate, truly uncertain, etc. All the things that bothered me were taken to the absolute extreme.
It was in fact very healing as I could realise that I was in fact OK. Everything could be far, far worse. Yes, I was depressed, but it was not nearly as bad as the shroom experience showed me it could be. It instilled confidence. I could overcome this. I have taken the action needed to overcome the depression and largely hold the shrooms responsible for kick starting my recovery.
If your intentions are right, you will be served.
God/the Universe/Psychedelics work in mysterious ways.
Cant word it any better than this.
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Ok so I'm planning on shrooming for the first time next week. I will be doing it with one of my best friends and one of our old religious teachers at his little house in the woods. I was wondering what everyone thought of not having a sober sitter (this is my friend and I's first time but our teacher is very experienced) and what kind of dosage to take. I basically want a really introspective healing experience without necessarily tripping out too much and hallucinating
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and what kind of dosage to take. I basically want a really introspective healing experience without necessarily tripping out too much and hallucinating
IME you don't get the one without the other... And what you want isn't the prime determination of what you get, although it doesn't hurt to focus on what you're looking to accomplish when you go into it.
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Does is give you insight on how to fix the problems, or just shows you them?
Mushrooms heal you if they can, plain and simple. The methods are often mysterious, but they are definitely real and they definitely work. It's not some bullshit "here's what you need to do" thing, it's straight to the heart of what needs to change. Different people will interpret this differently, that's all. 
Don't expect too much from the first time. With no experience to go on anything can happen, and you're MUCH better off starting at light dosages and gaining some experience before going in and facing the demons head on. Plus you can never predict exactly what will happen, no matter what the set and setting - you just do the best you can and take advantage of what happens to get thrown your way. They aren't a big pharma product with clear and limited avenues of action, they're a living spiritual power we're fortunate enough to have access to, for whatever reasons.
You're highly unlikely to get what you need from any one trip. If you're lucky what you'll do is establish a lasting relationship, which over time and with some care can help you out. 
Best of luck,
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