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OfflineTheSillyStudent
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Shrooms for healing
    #18872218 - 09/21/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hey everybody, this is my first post. For the past few months I have gotten interested with spiritual subjects as well as psychedelics. I have never done any psychedelics yet (unless MDMA counts). I have had a lot of really negative self-esteem for the last seven years of my life, partially stemming from a lot of social issues in early high school. I went through a break up last year which really affected me. I often have a really hard time motivating myself to do anything and have an insane amount of self criticism. I have heard that psilocybin can help with anxiety/depression but that it can also enhance it. I would like to figure out how to overcome my internal issues and am wondering whether a mushroom experience would help or actually hurt me. Ever since I went to EDC and took four points of molly and smoked a joint I've had a lot of really pessimistic views of the world and I can't decide if they're legitimate fears or paranoid delusions. What do y'all think? Would shrooms help or hurt?


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: TheSillyStudent]
    #18872394 - 09/21/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: rikuni]
    #18872421 - 09/21/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Even the bad or "negative" trips have A LOT to teach you. That's why I never consider a trip bad.

Up to you, make sure you have a comfortable non worrysome set and setting if you decide to. Personally I say I go for it, your path has lead you to this point and you seem like your ready :thumbup:


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18873203 - 09/21/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you have a great time and a good trip, it'll teach you to love yourself and love your world around you and you'll have a very peaceful, spiritual experience.

If you let yourself turn sour, however, and the trip becomes negative, you'll be faced with the things you hate about yourself and learn how to deal with them the hard way.

It's best to stay positive and accept everything that you feel, and keep good vibes. But even if the experience turns sour, just breathe and realize that you're still learning something from it.

Just remember, the shroom experience comes from within YOU. It's a reflection of yourself.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: MoonSpirit]
    #18874484 - 09/22/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's great you want your first experience to be the start of your healing process. It will take a lot of time and effort on your part to create a healing program for yourself. Each time you trip you will be given the opportunity to work through issues and then integrate the experience into your life.

The first times you trip will be a huge learning time because you're acclimating your mind and body to the mushrooms. You're going to want a trip buddy, trip sitter, whatever... you just need to be comfortable with the situation and people. I don't suggest shrooming for the first time at a huge party.

Tripping will bring up these issues you need to work through, and you can't stop them when they come. If you're untangling the emotional repression of your teenage years in the comfort of your own home or a solo camping trip, you're going to make progress. If you instead choose to do that same trip with a bunch of people you don't know/feel comfortable with, you're probable going to have a bad trip.

Positive intention, location, plan, people, mindset. I HIGHLY INSIST that you read this book before you have your first trip.

http://decomposingtheshadow.com/


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Black_Sunset]
    #18874900 - 09/22/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've always had a more "pessimistic" view of myself and the world prior to taking shrooms my first time. However, I've always been able to handle my shit well, sober or not. Even during some of my worse and more intense trips, I've always been able to kind of put the bad on "pause" and tell myself to chill out.

I wanted to try shrooms, not necessarily to "heal" but more to find out who I am and what it can teach me, if anything at all.

And for the reasons listed  above, I think your interest in shrooms are for the right reasons. I would just suggest that you:

1) Go into it expecting nothing. Enter with a relaxed state of mind, on a day when you won't be disturbed for the day of and day after, 0 anxiety or fear, and a happy mood.
2) Do it with a friend or many more.
3) Do an eighth
4) Let go, let loose, relax


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: daedream]
    #18879453 - 09/23/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I personally suggest doing it at night when everyone is sleeping. I did this my first time and loved it. I just tripped during the day a couple days ago, and I think I'm more of a night tripper. There's just something about the peaceful starry sky at night that's mesmerizing.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: TheSillyStudent]
    #18879475 - 09/23/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Shrooms can help or hurt.  They tend to affirm life and a sense of self worth, but you can easily abuse them for the opposite purpose.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Asante]
    #18881432 - 09/23/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I am planning on doing them for the first time with one of my best friends and an old religious school teacher who is a very spiritual dude, very into wicca and the like. We are going to do them at his little place in the woods. Does this sound like a good set/setting? I am worried that I will be really nervous when it actually comes down to doing the shrooms and will have a hard time letting go. As a pretty uptight guy, how would you all recommend calming down to get into the right head space? I often get all worked up and anxious when I smoke weed.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: TheSillyStudent]
    #18891852 - 09/25/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like a great place to start. It's normal to feel anxious, don't let it get to you. You're going to have a great time once it kicks in. Think about and do what makes you feel relaxed and get into that headspace. Try reading some trip reports on here or erowid. You'll be fine.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Black_Sunset]
    #18892371 - 09/26/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My last trip had me crying in the shower.
Then I got out and stared at myself in the mirror and cried some more while asking my reflection "who are you?"
..Pretty much cried for 6 hours...

In hindsight it greatly healed me.:thumbup:

I'm one of those that think shroom trips are beneficial regardless if you are having a good trip or not.

Its the reflection of the trip afterwords that will alter you moving forward.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: cez]
    #18892381 - 09/26/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To get to the right headspace you should clear you thoughts and just be.  Meditation is useful for anxiety.  I would also recommend making a calming playlist of music you like to help let go.  Stereodose.com always puts me in the right mood.  The trip is about you, even if you are with other people.  So prepare for it to go as you want it to.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: TheSillyStudent]
    #18892472 - 09/26/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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TheSillyStudent said:
I am planning on doing them for the first time with one of my best friends and an old religious school teacher who is a very spiritual dude, very into wicca and the like. We are going to do them at his little place in the woods. Does this sound like a good set/setting? I am worried that I will be really nervous when it actually comes down to doing the shrooms and will have a hard time letting go. As a pretty uptight guy, how would you all recommend calming down to get into the right head space? I often get all worked up and anxious when I smoke weed.




Your getting some great advice and encouragement here. Tripping in the natrual environment can be really powerful.
Regarding you feeling anxious. Anxiety has a lot to do with breathing to. If you can allow yourself to breath slow and deep this will help. There is this Aussie guy's tape I have called 'groaning and toning'. I can't find him on Youtube so will have to summarize.

Get into a comfortable position and groan from your belly (not from the throat/shallow). REALLY groan uninhibitedly. Then take a deep breath and do it again. So this several times.
Now what your gonna do now you are getting the feel of your voice coming from deep in you is make tones from the vowels, a, e, u. But you start with one, U. And you start at a low tone that is comfortable for your range.
So, take a deep breath and make the ton U, and like said it is to come from deep in you so you begin to feel your whole body vibrate, and you will begin hearing overtones. So you focus on a tone, and take a deep breath and do it again--then raise the tone a bit and keeping doing this till you reach the limit of your range and then go onto the next vowel E (you 'smile' this tone up), and you do same as with U, and then A (ahhhhh). Doing this really unblocks things in you and gives you a vibratory sense of feeling, and relaxes you very much. So doing this before you take a trip would be beneficial in many ways. You could even try it when tripping. It is AMAZING.
I have recorded myself singing when on magic mushrooms, and it is magical---you also have more breath

#oh forgot to add, that when you try this groaning and toning , include the groaning in places to keep encouraging the sound is coming from your bowels, and your not caught up making voice from the throat. It is all about encouraging the DEEP vibratory soulful sound of your being. Soon it becomes easier to do, and you know your doing it right when you feel like your vibrating with the sound and hearing overtones


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: MoonSpirit]
    #18892890 - 09/26/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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KelseyRain said:
I personally suggest doing it at night when everyone is sleeping. I did this my first time and loved it. I just tripped during the day a couple days ago, and I think I'm more of a night tripper. There's just something about the peaceful starry sky at night that's mesmerizing.




Yes, a LOT of people have no sanctuary where they go physically go to and just BE themselves---especially to have psychedelic experiences-- do they? And have peace and quiet.

So can you explain your night time session? Did you have music through earphones or not. What if you had felt urge to cry for what ever reason OR giggle? How could you do this without disturbing someone etc? I would just love to know as much detail as possible, if you will, how the set and setting was?


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: zzripz]
    #18894641 - 09/26/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zzripz said:
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KelseyRain said:
I personally suggest doing it at night when everyone is sleeping. I did this my first time and loved it. I just tripped during the day a couple days ago, and I think I'm more of a night tripper. There's just something about the peaceful starry sky at night that's mesmerizing.




Yes, a LOT of people have no sanctuary where they go physically go to and just BE themselves---especially to have psychedelic experiences-- do they? And have peace and quiet.

So can you explain your night time session? Did you have music through earphones or not. What if you had felt urge to cry for what ever reason OR giggle? How could you do this without disturbing someone etc? I would just love to know as much detail as possible, if you will, how the set and setting was?




I was concerned about the giggling thing, but I've never laughed on shrooms. I don't laugh on salvia either, so I think it just depends on the person. I had no music on. My room was dimly lit by the hanging christmas lights and candles. The only thing I felt at first was a rush in my body, it  felt like I was rolling on MDMA but very soft...if that makes sense. I never felt the urge to cry. I only felt love, peace, serenity and tranquility. I took some GABA pills before the shrooms. My room was quiet and I went into it expecting nothing (which is best). Eventually I listened to some rustic-sounding music (Safe & Sound by Civil Wars), and went outside to my front yard and was amazed with the world.

Idk OP. Just don't be afraid and don't let any negative feelings manifest. Just let go and accept and relax. You'll have a beautiful time if you stop thinking and just talk and do things that make you happy, and your trip will build on that happiness.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: MoonSpirit]
    #18905882 - 09/29/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I did it last Thursday night after several years of not having a trip and it was AMAZING...


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: zzripz]
    #18906471 - 09/29/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Read this message and then see for yourself.

For my money, :sporedrop: aya and mescaline are something I would always try, if I had any kind of self-esteem or depression issues. If they're available, these connection points are very likely to help, and at least for me, have never hurt in any way. At worst I get a few days of improved mood after which I get back to my meh self, and at best I get weeks and months of awesome, new ideas, a cheerful vibe and zest for life and adventure, that IMO are exactly what makes life worth living.

Be all that you can be, connect with your shroom destiny :lol:


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: Spacerific]
    #18907910 - 09/29/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: TheSillyStudent] * 1
    #18909794 - 09/30/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Could anybody help explain how psychedelics heal you? I'm not sure I really understand




...what I usually do with deep question is look closer at the terms being used, cause you can be unconscious of them. So I am gonna look at the etymology of the term 'heal'



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heal (v.) L
    Old English hælan "cure; save; make whole, sound and well," from Proto-Germanic *hailjan (cf. Old Saxon helian, Old Norse heila, Old Frisian hela, Dutch helen, German heilen, Gothic ga-hailjan "to heal, cure"), literally "to make whole" (see health). Related: Healed; healing.





"to make whole".

This to me says that to be made whole is to undo what a culture which divides and controls does to you--which is fuck you up. And then you have to explore all about how it does all that.
For example --western cultures have invaded native cultures and totally fucked up their communities, murdering people, enslaving them, banning them from partaking of their sacred medicine, taking their children away and forcing them into schools which force them to give up their language, taking their land away and their tradition, etc etc. Can you see how all of this is harmful, and definitely not wholesome?

So do you think they---the fascists--have ONLY done it to native peoples? OR do you think that we have a history where this abuse has been done to OUR anscestors and now we live in a world of vast abuse which causes much dis-ease? If you look into all this you may understand how psychedelics can heal, and the reason why this culture/civilization is so against them.


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Re: Shrooms for healing [Re: zzripz]
    #18909988 - 09/30/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I mean mushrooms will make you face your shit. You can't run away from your problems when you're trippin'. But they make you face your shit in a way that's loving and constructive (most of the time). They can definitely help you work through your issues and discover who you really are. I say do it. Sounds like a good setting for a first trip but there are no words that can prepare someone for tripping. That said it's a good thing to do if you truly want to embrace life and see clearly what's holding you back so you can deal with it and move on.  :peace:  :heart:


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