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Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots.
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These clowns are trying to say that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will cost the United States $4-$6tn when everything is said and done.
My guys in the White House at the time said the Iraq war was only going to cost $50bn, and I agree. There is no way that the Iraq war is going to cost us trillions. We only have spent, and will spend, $60bn on that shitty war.
Good thing the house GOP needs to cut $39bn in food benefits over the next decade.
Man if only Obamacare didn't cost so much, maybe we wouldn't have a problem with our deficit 
I mean, we spend more than any other country on health care, so we must be the best, right? All those fucking socialists and their socialist fucking universal health care. What do you mean even POOR people get to go to doctors? What kind of communist bullshit is this?
I mean, when Bush doubled the national debt, nobody blinked an eye, but when the communist-socialist-muslim-secularist Obama has overseen the reduction of the deficit by half in five years, the fastest decrease since WWII, he gets blamed for racking up the whole $17tn.
But I mean, saving $1tn with the sequester is so important to the house GOP with the sequester, that 1.7 million jobs means nothing for them. Rightfully so. The only thing that matters IS THE DEFICIT. LET'S TAKE A HATCHET TO EVERYTHING! Let's shut down the government if we can't get the socialist Obamacare defunded.
Government takeover of healthcare? Yeah, all those private insurance policies that are being taken out sounds like the government is really taking it all over.
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Why you continue to think the D's are better than the R's is silly, they BOTH suck.
Try to be intellectually honest and admit the economy is worst today than it was 5-6 years ago for 90% of Americans, and it has NOTHING to do with Obama, I don't blame Obama, it's just a economic fact.
Always having a agenda when talking about complex economic issues always turns into a pissing contest, both parties are essentially the same, the R vs D is mainly for show.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: qman]
#18872172 - 09/21/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: Why you continue to think the D's are better than the R's is silly, they BOTH suck.
Try to be intellectually honest and admit the economy is worst today than it was 5-6 years ago for 90% of Americans, and it has NOTHING to do with Obama, I don't blame Obama, it's just a economic fact.
Always having a agenda when talking about complex economic issues always turns into a pissing contest, both parties are essentially the same, the R vs D is mainly for show.
I'm not a democrat, I'm a liberal. I'm not making fun of Republicans, I'm pissing on the radical right.
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#18872198 - 09/21/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: These clowns are trying to say that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will cost the United States $4-$6tn when everything is said and done.
From the unsanctioned paper
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This includes long-term medical care and disability compensation for service members, veterans and families, military replenishment and social and economic costs.
LOL. Disability payments? Over how long? 50 years? What do you suppose their families get? How about dick.
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The views expressed in the HKS Faculty Research Working Paper Series are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of the John F. Kennedy School of Government or of Harvard University. Faculty Research Working Papers have not undergone formal review and approval. Such papers are included in this series to elicit feedback and to encourage debate on important public policy challenges. Copyright belongs to the author(s). Papers may be downloaded for personal use only.
Did you actually read the PDF?
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This paper will focus on the costs of commitments we have made in four important areas during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars: I. Veterans health care and disability compensation II. Pentagon personnel and health care policies and benefits III. Other Department of Defense costs and commitments IV. Financing of the wars
Thise aren't costs directly attributable to the war. Not even the interest.Quote:
My guys in the White House at the time said the Iraq war was only going to cost $50bn, and I agree. There is no way that the Iraq war is going to cost us trillions. We only have spent, and will spend, $60bn on that shitty war.
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Mr. Daniels cautioned that his budget projections did not mean a war with Iraq was imminent, and that it was impossible to know what any military campaign against Iraq would ultimately cost.
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Good thing the house GOP needs to cut $39bn in food benefits over the next decade.
Good
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Man if only Obamacare didn't cost so much, maybe we wouldn't have a problem with our deficit 
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This study follows research by the Rand Corp. announced last week that found that premiums for most people who buy health plans through exchanges will decline, because of public subsidies.
Public subsidies will increase the deficit. DuhQuote:
I mean, we spend more than any other country on health care, so we must be the best, right? All those fucking socialists and their socialist fucking universal health care. What do you mean even POOR people get to go to doctors? What kind of communist bullshit is this?
We already had Medicaid for poor people and the health care in those countries sucksQuote:
I mean, when Bush doubled the national debt, nobody blinked an eye, but when the communist-socialist-muslim-secularist Obama has overseen the reduction of the deficit by half in five years, the fastest decrease since WWII, he gets blamed for racking up the whole $17tn.
But I mean, saving $1tn with the sequester is so important to the house GOP with the sequester, that 1.7 million jobs means nothing for them. Rightfully so. The only thing that matters IS THE DEFICIT. LET'S TAKE A HATCHET TO EVERYTHING! Let's shut down the government if we can't get the socialist Obamacare defunded.
The debt is not the deficit. When the Dems took over Congress in 2006 the debt was under 9T. Now it is over 16. And that is without any significant war expenses and after tax hikes. With no end in sight to their spending.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2013/09/17/cbo-warns-national-debt-is-on-unsustainable-path/
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The Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday the nation's debt is on an unsustainable path and warned that by 2038 if current law continues federal debt held by the public would hit 100% of GDP.
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Government takeover of healthcare? Yeah, all those private insurance policies that are being taken out sounds like the government is really taking it all over.
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My insurance has skyrocketed, the unions hate it and employers are dropping health insurance entirely
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/19/home-depot-drops-big-obamacare-surprise-on-20000-employees/ http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/12/afl-cio-steps-up-pressure-on-white-house-for-obamacare-changes/ http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-19/obamacare-unleashes-benefit-changes-from-companies.html
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For weeks, headlines have cataloged the upheaval at private employers: UPS dropping coverage for employed spouses, IBM reworking retiree benefits. Yesterday came the biggest change: Walgreen Co. (WAG), the largest U.S. drugstore chain, told 160,000 workers they must buy insurance through a private exchange rather than having the company arrange their coverage.
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qman said: Why you continue to think the D's are better than the R's is silly, they BOTH suck.
Try to be intellectually honest and admit the economy is worst today than it was 5-6 years ago for 90% of Americans, and it has NOTHING to do with Obama, I don't blame Obama, it's just a economic fact.
Always having a agenda when talking about complex economic issues always turns into a pissing contest, both parties are essentially the same, the R vs D is mainly for show.
I'm not a democrat, I'm a liberal. I'm not making fun of Republicans, I'm pissing on the radical right.
LOL, "Radical right" is an effort by liberal radicals (see Saul Alinsky) to control a narrative. There is nothing radical in the idea that the private sector works best to provide what the people want.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18872287 - 09/21/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If it was impossible to know how much the war would cost, why release a number to the public of $50bn?
How are those four things not directly attributable to the two wars?
So a few examples of food stamp fraud justify cutting $3.9bn a year over next ten years? When according to official sources only a penny on the dollar is fraudulent?
The debt is not a deficit. How astute. Do you expect a 1.4tn deficit to be reversed in a year?
Yeah, I'm sure your insurance has skyrocketed . Linking to The Blaze and Fox News will never be credible.
What else do you call somebody, besides radical, who will threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America in order to try and defund a law that was passed by the Legislative branch, signed by the Executive branch, and upheld by the Judicial branch?
It's so funny that the true elite have suckered you into think you're one of them Zap.
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#18872579 - 09/21/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How are those four things not directly attributable to the two wars?
Because they aren't. Number 1, we were going to be on the hook for veterans care no matter what. There aren't that many wounded veterans and the cost is decades away. The borrowing? Why is government borrowing ascribed to the wars and not, say, welfare, when money is fungible? In 2011 the government gave away 1 trillion dollars of means tested gifts. That one year alone would have paid for both wars real time costs.Quote:
So a few examples of food stamp fraud justify cutting $3.9bn a year over next ten years? When according to official sources only a penny on the dollar is fraudulent?
Food stamp fraud is rampant.Quote:
The debt is not a deficit. How astute. Do you expect a 1.4tn deficit to be reversed in a year?
You're the one who put the two together in one post. Why does the federal government run a deficit at all? Maybe it's the trillion dollars of welfare it hands out every year.Quote:
Yeah, I'm sure your insurance has skyrocketed . Linking to The Blaze and Fox News will never be credible.
My insurance most certainly has and since Obamacare passed I have had to change 3 times because the policies I had are impossible. Over 20G a year, thank you, for 3 of us.
Do you dispute the facts in those articles? No you do not. Because they are facts, not opinions, which is what you rely on.Quote:
What else do you call somebody, besides radical, who will threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America in order to try and defund a law that was passed by the Legislative branch, signed by the Executive branch, and upheld by the Judicial branch?
There is no threat to the full and faith and credit unless Obama doesn't sign the bill that the LEGISLATURE passed defunding Obamcare. Quote:
It's so funny that the true elite have suckered you into think you're one of them Zap.
What true elite has suckered me, sucker?
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18872591 - 09/21/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Food stamp fraud is rampant.
Unbiased source?
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You're the one who put the two together in one post. Why does the federal government run a deficit at all? Maybe it's the trillion dollars of welfare it hands out every year.
The government provides public services, it isn't meant to generate profit.
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My insurance most certainly has and since Obamacare passed I have had to change 3 times because the policies I had are impossible. Over 20G a year, thank you, for 3 of us.
Prove it.
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There is no threat to the full and faith and credit unless Obama doesn't sign the bill that the LEGISLATURE passed defunding Obamcare.
Preposterous, find me one other time where a political party has held the full faith and credit hostage in order to defund a law they don't like.
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What true elite has suckered me, sucker?
I feel like if I can be banned for calling starfire_xes a clown, calling me a sucker should be the same punishment.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18872631 - 09/21/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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"The government isn't meant to generate profit" lol how naive.
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How is it naive? If providing public services created profit wouldn't there be more private companies providing such services? Since profit is their #1 goal?
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#18872650 - 09/21/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Food stamp fraud is rampant.
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You're the one who put the two together in one post. Why does the federal government run a deficit at all? Maybe it's the trillion dollars of welfare it hands out every year.
The government provides public services, it isn't meant to generate profit.
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My insurance most certainly has and since Obamacare passed I have had to change 3 times because the policies I had are impossible. Over 20G a year, thank you, for 3 of us.
Prove it.
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There is no threat to the full and faith and credit unless Obama doesn't sign the bill that the LEGISLATURE passed defunding Obamcare.
Preposterous, find me one other time where a political party has held the full faith and credit hostage in order to defund a law they don't like.
The House passed a bill that extends the budget and excludes funding for Obamacare. That is what legislatures do. You only find their acts legit when you like them? Tough shit Napolean. There is a reason why the House is controlled by Republicans and Obamacare is most of it. Now what are the Dem bitches in the Senate and the cunt in the Oval Office going to do about it? Shut down the government because they don't get Obamacare funding? That will be on them, then, won't it? Spending bills are initiated in the House and the House sent one to the Senate. Pass it and sign it.Quote:
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What true elite has suckered me, sucker?
I feel like if I can be banned for calling someone a clown, calling me a sucker should be the same punishment.
You called me a sucker first. So answer the question. By the way, what has given you the impression that 1. there is an elite or 2. that I think I am part of that imaginary cabal?
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#18872656 - 09/21/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only profit the government generates is in the paychecks of the people who would be far better employed doing something more useful than handing out welfare checks to other useless shits.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18872665 - 09/21/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, I said you had been suckered, not that you are a sucker.
Once again, find me another time where the legislature has tied a continuing resolution to the defunding of a bill they are ideologically opposed to. Then try and pass the buck saying they aren't trying shut down the government? What a farce. They know damn well it won't go anywhere in the Senate, and there are moderate Republicans coming out saying that Ted Cruz is a fraud.
The government gets money from citizens, yes, what is your point?
And no, I'm not shitting you, find me an unbiased source that SNAP benefits are being widely abused.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18872834 - 09/21/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are private companies who provide those services if its legal, and who do it more efficientlt.
ever since the dawn of time governments have been instruments the ruling class use to subjegate the populace and generate profit from the human resource.
the phony premise of "providing services" is a smoke screen to hide the true picture that is those "services" are "provided" by pointing guns at the subjects and forcably extracting profits (taxes) not by voluntary trade but by bullying and force. Once you point a gun at me it is no longer a "service" it is a racket. No different than the mob providing "protection" to you or else they break your knees.
the true face of government is violence, everything is enforced by guns ultimately. When there is a gun in the room it is not a service.
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Mush4Brains said: No, I said you had been suckered, not that you are a sucker.
Right. I can clearly see the difference.Quote:
Once again, find me another time where the legislature has tied a continuing resolution to the defunding of a bill they are ideologically opposed to.
Sequester. Lots of shit got defunded and it was Obama's idea.
They can fund or not fund whatever they want. They are the Legislature.Quote:
Then try and pass the buck saying they aren't trying shut down the government?
The Republican House passed a bill that doesn't shut down the government. Now what will the Dem Senate and the Cunt in Chief do? Quote:
What a farce. They know damn well it won't go anywhere in the Senate, and there are moderate Republicans coming out saying that Ted Cruz is a fraud.
What does Ted Cruz have to do with it and in what way is he a fraud? He'd pass the bill. Why is it that Republicans have to sell out their constituents who elected them to stop this shit?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/opinion/blow-kamikaze-congress.html?_r=0
Charles Blow posts a poll that says 54% to 43% oppose it. Charles Blow, liberal race baiting pimp in the NY Times. The people do not want this.Quote:
The government gets money from citizens, yes, what is your point?
That the government is not a profit making entity. It is a profit confiscating entity.Quote:
And no, I'm not shitting you, find me an unbiased source that SNAP benefits are being widely abused.
Depends on what you mean by abused. Obama eliminated work requirements for welfare. Any able bodied person who gets assistance without working is abusing the system
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The Republican House passed a bill that doesn't shut down the government. Now what will the Dem Senate and the Cunt in Chief do?
Yeah, that is what they keep trying to say. "We passed this so that government doesn't get shut down," when they know it has absolutely no chance in passing the Senate. They're pissed off at Cruz because he has been campaigning on this bullshit for months, and their hands are tied. Peter King, Sean Duffy, John McCain, real moderate guys are coming out and calling Cruz what he is - a piece of shit whackjob.
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Depends on what you mean by abused. Obama eliminated work requirements for welfare. Any able bodied person who gets assistance without working is abusing the system
Let's see the numbers.
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Charles Blow posts a poll that says 54% to 43% oppose it. Charles Blow, liberal race baiting pimp in the NY Times. The people do not want this.
The people don't want it because they've been lied to over, and over, and over, and over, and over again about what the bill does or does not do. We still have fraudsters like Bachmann, Cruz, Huckabee, Lee, etc. saying it is a government takeover of healthcare, VOTED THE LIE OF THE YEAR BY POLITIFACT.
Once the exchanges start coming up, you know damn well that it will be widely accepted, just like it was in Massachusetts.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18872902 - 09/21/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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One big reason the schools are so liberal is because the government funnels them more and more money in the form of student load aid.
you thought that money helps students? It in fact goes straight to the schools and in fact leaves students holding the bag of student debt.
then he schools return the favor by funding democratic campaigns.
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The Republican House passed a bill that doesn't shut down the government. Now what will the Dem Senate and the Cunt in Chief do?
Yeah, that is what they keep trying to say. "We passed this so that government doesn't get shut down," when they know it has absolutely no chance in passing the Senate. They're pissed off at Cruz because he has been campaigning on this bullshit for months, and their hands are tied. Peter King, Sean Duffy, John McCain, real moderate guys are coming out and calling Cruz what he is - a piece of shit whackjob.
It is an irrefutable fact that they passed the bill and sent it to The Senate. I believe Peter King voted for it in the House. I have no idea who Sean Duffy is and McRino can fuck off and retire to his alzheimers infested ranch. He has long ago passed his sell by dateQuote:
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Depends on what you mean by abused. Obama eliminated work requirements for welfare. Any able bodied person who gets assistance without working is abusing the system
Let's see the numbers.
What numbers? The government doesn't think the surfer is committing fraud.Quote:
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Charles Blow posts a poll that says 54% to 43% oppose it. Charles Blow, liberal race baiting pimp in the NY Times. The people do not want this.
The people don't want it because they've been lied to over, and over, and over, and over, and over again about what the bill does or does not do. We still have fraudsters like Bachmann, Cruz, Huckabee, Lee, etc. saying it is a government takeover of healthcare, VOTED THE LIE OF THE YEAR BY POLITIFACT.
Once the exchanges start coming up, you know damn well that it will be widely accepted, just like it was in Massachusetts.
Did I say that Obamacare was a government takeover? No I did not. I think it is leading there by destroying all other options but that is not what I said. I said the people oppose it. That is clear. You can yell and scream about politicians speaking their mind all you want but the fact of the matter is that Obama has a total poodle press, the people who determine the message and who have supported him almost in lockstep. What the people have been finding since it has been phased in, with exemptions for Congress and other favored actors, is that the people fucking hate it. That includes labor unions who are the loudest screamers out there right now. The corporations aren't screaming, they're just dumping policies all over the place.
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Shins said: One big reason the schools are so liberal is because the government funnels them more and more money in the form of student load aid.
you thought that money helps students? It in fact goes straight to the schools and in fact leaves students holding the bag of student debt.
then he schools return the favor by funding democratic campaigns.
Another liberal racket.
Yes it is. Did you know that there are now more non teaching employees on college campuses than teachers?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/septemberoctober_2011/features/administrators_ate_my_tuition031641.php?page=all
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you thought that money helps students? It in fact goes straight to the schools and in fact leaves students holding the bag of student debt.
My wife owes about 25gs on her student loan. Her degree got her a job that pays 110000 a year , plus a 12000 bonus depending on profits , and a raise every year . It's more like a coin purse of debt . I know allot of people like her . It helps I promise , we have 4 cars and a giant house to prove it . It helps people who are smart enough to see the value in it and put in the effort. It absolutely does not help people who aren't smart enough to see it and don't even bother to try. She will probably top out at the end of her career around 150 gs a year or so like my neighbor who works at a place making cancer drugs. He paid off his loans along time ago. People who go to school get loans and get good jobs end up paying allot of money in taxes , which helps us give cash to poor starving people , fund student loans, and pay for (and have smart people to build) bombs that we can use to threaten people who piss us off. Perhaps the reason schools are so liberal is because educated people are smart enough to see that education and studen loans do in fact help people out , helps them to do the really important jobs that make the world a more awesome place to live in . I mean would you rather live in a world with a decent percentage of people like that or a world full of people who think school is worthless , loans are bad , govt is stupid and are only qualified to use shovels spatulas and hammers?
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: psilynut]
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Don't get me wrong I think schools are a good thing. I just think you get a better quality of service when there is competative voluntary free markets rather thsn government price fixing
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How the fuck to you pretend to apply competitive free market to higher education ? Eliminating student loans won't make the degree program from my wife's school any cheaper or better. You dont get in because of how much you are willing to pay or because no one wants to pay . You get in on previous academic performance . If it wasn't for a govt loan they would just go down the list of people dumber than her until they found someone who has a pile cash . You aren't going to produce good engineers doing that. She got her job because they recruit there , because the school has an awesome reputation for producing great engineers , this is what determines the price , it has nothing to do with the loans . You have no idea what your talking about at all . Only half of the the parents living in this country can afford to pay for their kids college tuition. Take away student loans and we won't have enough people to fulfill all of the engineering , doctor , science , and other really skilled jobs that make the world the technological marvel that it is . Takes an army of engineers to operate a petroleum refinery .
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: psilynut]
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I have no problem with student loans. After all, it's not free money, they pay it back.
But, it depends on the degree the person is receiving as to wether or not they're getting fucked by the system. For example, if you become an engineer, accountant, physician, attorney, chemist, etc... While being responsible with the money you borrow You're probably investing well.
In contrast if you take out a mountain of debt over a degree in sociology, theology, history, etc... You're probably getting fucked.
That of course has nothing to do with cost inefficiencies in higher education in America which is a different subject all together
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qman said: Why you continue to think the D's are better than the R's is silly, they BOTH suck.
Try to be intellectually honest and admit the economy is worst today than it was 5-6 years ago for 90% of Americans, and it has NOTHING to do with Obama, I don't blame Obama, it's just a economic fact.
Always having a agenda when talking about complex economic issues always turns into a pissing contest, both parties are essentially the same, the R vs D is mainly for show.
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you thought that money helps students? It in fact goes straight to the schools and in fact leaves students holding the bag of student debt.
My wife owes about 25gs on her student loan. Her degree got her a job that pays 110000 a year , plus a 12000 bonus depending on profits , and a raise every year . It's more like a coin purse of debt . I know allot of people like her . It helps I promise , we have 4 cars and a giant house to prove it . It helps people who are smart enough to see the value in it and put in the effort. It absolutely does not help people who aren't smart enough to see it and don't even bother to try.
You have 4 cars and a giant house and haven't paid off the pittance?. What is this magic degree, by the way? http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2012/05/15/best-top-most-valuable-college-majors-degrees/ Quote:
She will probably top out at the end of her career around 150 gs a year or so like my neighbor who works at a place making cancer drugs. He paid off his loans along time ago. People who go to school get loans and get good jobs end up paying allot of money in taxes , which helps us give cash to poor starving people , fund student loans, and pay for (and have smart people to build) bombs that we can use to threaten people who piss us off.
That's wonderful. What percentage of college students do you suppose are enrolled in hard science and what percentage of the population do you suppose could get through it? I'm going to guess that less than 10% could no matter how hard they tried. Face it, most of the people going to college today, unlike when I went 35 years, have no business being there. They have watered down the curriculum to let them stay and are selling most of them an utterly useless product.Quote:
Perhaps the reason schools are so liberal is because educated people are smart enough to see that education and studen loans do in fact help people out , helps them to do the really important jobs that make the world a more awesome place to live in .
The schools are liberal because the academy is a safe haven for wimps with no balls. In other words, liberals. Smart conservatives go out into the real world and produce things of real value.Quote:
I mean would you rather live in a world with a decent percentage of people like that or a world full of people who think school is worthless , loans are bad , govt is stupid and are only qualified to use shovels spatulas and hammers?
I would happily live in a world with zero art history or sociology majors.
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You have 4 cars and a giant house and haven't paid off the pittance?. What is this magic degree, by the way? http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2012/05/15/best-top-most-valuable-college-majors-degrees/
And a travel trailer . It's Chem E and there's nothing magic about it. She started at 90 sumin . Obama said we didn't have to pay yet . Don't blame us.
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That's wonderful. What percentage of college students do you suppose are enrolled in hard science and what percentage of the population do you suppose could get through it? I'm going to guess that less than 10% could no matter how hard they tried. Face it, most of the people going to college today, unlike when I went 35 years, have no business being there. They have watered down the curriculum to let them stay and are selling most of them an utterly useless product.
Could be 10% . This is why we have student loans . Being born into a family with money to pay doesn't mean you got what it takes. We'd never get the cream of the crop.
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The schools are liberal because the academy is a safe haven for wimps with no balls. In other words, liberals. Smart conservatives go out into the real world and produce things of real value.
Most chemical engineers I know work in oil refineries making gas , and everything else related to it. It's real important, and valuable . It's allows people like you to go out in the world in a truck , pickup an illegal at home depot and produce nails in wood. What are these things of value you speak of? I guess mr 9 9 9 would be a good example . You still need college educated engineer to make better pizza ovens, electrical engineers to keep the lights on , civil engineers to make sure the roads work efficiently so your delivery guys can deliver on time, and there's probably a mechanical engineer behind the nail making process improving efficiency , which Increases profits and makes nails cheaper .
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You have 4 cars and a giant house and haven't paid off the pittance?. What is this magic degree, by the way? http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2012/05/15/best-top-most-valuable-college-majors-degrees/
And a travel trailer . It's Chem E and there's nothing magic about it. She started at 90 sumin . Obama said we didn't have to pay yet . Don't blame us.
I figured it had to be something like that. My step son has a Chem E from Columbia and he's going for his PhD at Penn. What do you mean Obama said you didn't have to pay? Isn't it stupid not to just pay it off? Interest is accruing.Quote:
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That's wonderful. What percentage of college students do you suppose are enrolled in hard science and what percentage of the population do you suppose could get through it? I'm going to guess that less than 10% could no matter how hard they tried. Face it, most of the people going to college today, unlike when I went 35 years, have no business being there. They have watered down the curriculum to let them stay and are selling most of them an utterly useless product.
Could be 10% . This is why we have student loans . Being born into a family with money to pay doesn't mean you got what it takes. We'd never get the cream of the crop.
Really? You think 10% of the general population of students could get a Chem E degree? You might want to run that one by your wife. I would guess it is less than 1%. Student loans have nothing to do with that.Quote:
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The schools are liberal because the academy is a safe haven for wimps with no balls. In other words, liberals. Smart conservatives go out into the real world and produce things of real value.
Most chemical engineers I know work in oil refineries making gas , and everything else related to it. It's real important, and valuable . It's allows people like you to go out in the world in a truck , pickup an illegal at home depot and produce nails in wood. What are these things of value you speak of? I guess mr 9 9 9 would be a good example . You still need college educated engineer to make better pizza ovens, electrical engineers to keep the lights on , civil engineers to make sure the roads work efficiently so your delivery guys can deliver on time, and there's probably a mechanical engineer behind the nail making process improving efficiency , which Increases profits and makes nails cheaper .
Which has not one thing to do with the cowardice of academics, does it? The more you go into real science and work in the real world the more likely you are to be conservative. Even within the academy real science academics are more conservative than their bullshit artist peers. What's Mr 9 9 9? I have immense respect for engineers. Now will you please explain why we need a million sociology majors?
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/11/college-has-been-oversold.html
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Over the past 25 years the total number of students in college has increased by about 50 percent. But the number of students graduating with degrees in science, technology, engineering and math (the so-called STEM fields) has remained more or less constant. Moreover, many of today’s STEM graduates are foreign born and are taking their knowledge and skills back to their native countries.
Consider computer technology. In 2009 the U.S. graduated 37,994 students with bachelor’s degrees in computer and information science. This is not bad, but we graduated more students with computer science degrees 25 years ago! The story is the same in other technology fields such as chemical engineering, math and statistics. Few fields have changed as much in recent years as microbiology, but in 2009 we graduated just 2,480 students with bachelor’s degrees in microbiology — about the same number as 25 years ago. Who will solve the problem of antibiotic resistance?
If students aren’t studying science, technology, engineering and math, what are they studying?
In 2009 the U.S. graduated 89,140 students in the visual and performing arts, more than in computer science, math and chemical engineering combined and more than double the number of visual and performing arts graduates in 1985.
The chart at right shows the number of bachelor’s degrees in various fields today and 25 years ago. STEM fields are flat (declining for natives) while the visual and performing arts, psychology, and communication and journalism (!) are way up.
As a result, an argument can be made for subsidizing students in fields with potentially large spillovers, such as microbiology, chemical engineering, nuclear physics and computer science. There is little justification for subsidizing sociology, dance and English majors.
College has been oversold. It has been oversold to students who end up dropping out or graduating with degrees that don’t help them very much in the job market. It also has been oversold to the taxpayers, who foot the bill for these subsidies.
He says there is little justification. I say there is none. Most of them shouldn't be in college at all.
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Which has not one thing to do with the cowardice of academics, does it? The more you go into real science and work in the real world the more likely you are to be conservative. Even within the academy real science academics are more conservative than their bullshit artist peers. What's Mr 9 9 9? I have immense respect for engineers. Now will you please explain why we need a million sociology majors?
You already forgot about Herman Cain? Mr pizza ? Or do you just block him out? Bullshit , conservative are few and far between where my wife works .
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Really? You think 10% of the general population of students could get a Chem E degree? You might want to run that one by your wife. I would guess it is less than 1%. Student loans have nothing to do with that.
I was talking about all engineering and science shit , and so were you degrees that are worth it . If it wasn't for a student loan my wife and allot of the people she went to school with wouldn't be engineers. I didn't say college isn't oversold , I just said student loans do intact help some students.
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Which has not one thing to do with the cowardice of academics, does it? The more you go into real science and work in the real world the more likely you are to be conservative. Even within the academy real science academics are more conservative than their bullshit artist peers. What's Mr 9 9 9? I have immense respect for engineers. Now will you please explain why we need a million sociology majors?
You already forgot about Herman Cain? Mr pizza ? Or do you just block him out? Bullshit , conservative are few and far between where my wife works .
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Really? You think 10% of the general population of students could get a Chem E degree? You might want to run that one by your wife. I would guess it is less than 1%. Student loans have nothing to do with that.
I was talking about all engineering and science shit , and so were you degrees that are worth it . If it wasn't for a student loan my wife and allot of the people she went to school with wouldn't be engineers. I didn't say college isn't oversold , I just said student loans do intact help some students.
Of course they help some students. They fuck far more students than they help though. Like the man said, I have no problem subsidizing STEM students. Unfortunately they are quite the minority and the rest get saddled with a useless degree and a vicious debt. Further there is far too much of it subsidizing private universities when there are perfectly good state schools with much lower tuition costs. Think of all the low IQ private colleges that are making bank admitting millions of students who have no business going to college and are in fact wasting valuable learning time. Years they will never get back. Then there are all the idiots being encouraged who drop out long before they get a degree but nonetheless still owe the money and have lost precious time. It's a scam for a lot of people.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
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How could you forget the 9-9-9 plan when similar plans are being pimped by the radical right on a daily basis?
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yes it can be a double edged sword. I knew I wasnt college material . Union construction apprenticeship worked well for me. Really helped me get my contractors license since my time in school counted towards the experience need. Trying to do what you say conservatives do but I'm not gunna be one .
How could you forget , he was your front runner against Obama for like 2 days.
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Mush4Brains said: How could you forget the 9-9-9 plan when similar plans are being pimped by the radical right on a daily basis?
There is no such thing as a radical right in America, what similar plans are you referring to and what is wrong with the 999 plan. In your own words please.
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psilynut said: Yes it can be a double edged sword. I knew I wasnt college material . Union construction apprenticeship worked well for me. Really helped me get my contractors license since my time in school counted towards the experience need. Trying to do what you say conservatives do but I'm not gunna be one .
How could you forget , he was your front runner against Obama for like 2 days.
Yeah, two days. I like him. What is your objection to the 999 plan? In your own words please.
Why the fuck would they count time in unrelated school towards a contractor's license and why should you need one?
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Keep drinking that Koolaid
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“There’s a reason Republicans senators like Senator McCain and others are saying this is absolutely insane because the Republican proposition here is they're going to shut down the government if they can't deny healthcare to millions of Americans, including millions of kids who are right now benefiting from the Affordable Care Act, kids with pre-existing conditions who can no longer be thrown off of their insurance policies,” Van Hollen, the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, said on ABC’s “This Week.”
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“So if it's so good for America, then why he is delaying it for his friends in big business? Why is he delaying it for members of Congress like yourself?” he asked.
Good questions Congressman. Why are unions screaming against it? Why do the American people oppose it? Why do members of Congress and their staffs hate it?
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I have yet to see the objections to 999 from either of you.
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It's fucking stupid.
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Yeah, two days. I like him. What is your objection to the 999 plan? In your own words please.
Why the fuck would they count time in unrelated school towards a contractor's license and why should you need one?
No objection , I like him too, I was just using him as a example of someone who went out and made something of real value . Pizza is awesome. You know what never mind. If you want to be a masonry contractor and start a masonry business , they will count your apprenticeship time( since it's related) towards the years of experience required to obtain it. You need 4 years at the journeymen level , provable years . The app counts for 3 years , ( it's 4 years long) so you can get a license 1year after you finish I'm not sure about the time but same deal for other trades, in California. You have to take a test too. School helps for that. I need it because that's the only way I could go work for a general contractor to let's say put some stone on a new housing project, walmart or Walgreens . I could redo firebrick in oil refineries in their furnaces for you guessed it.. Making gas . So I can do commercial work with the big boys and make big money . Without it I'll be stuck working for homeowners who are looking to save a buck by hiring unlicensed uninsured people who hire out of the HD parking lot or I'll have to work for other contractors , decent money there, but not real money. Can't believe you even asked me that.
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The Republicans in the House passed a spending bill. If anybody shuts down the government it will be the Dems
It's your party saying " let's shut down the govt" There saying " let's shut down the whooole thing" Do I need to post a video? In the last election 1guy was saying ill do away with obamacare and the other guy was saying my healthcare bill is awesome and it's staying . Refresh my memory who did the people vote for in that election again? Who was it that won? Do you honestly think this will turn out any different than the last time when the two serial adulterers faced off over it years ago?
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Yeah, two days. I like him. What is your objection to the 999 plan? In your own words please.
Why the fuck would they count time in unrelated school towards a contractor's license and why should you need one?
No objection , I like him too, I was just using him as a example of someone who went out and made something of real value . Pizza is awesome. You know what never mind. If you want to be a masonry contractor and start a masonry business , they will count your apprenticeship time( since it's related) towards the years of experience required to obtain it. You need 4 years at the journeymen level , provable years . The app counts for 3 years , ( it's 4 years long) so you can get a license 1year after you finish I'm not sure about the time but same deal for other trades, in California. You have to take a test too. School helps for that. I need it because that's the only way I could go work for a general contractor to let's say put some stone on a new housing project, walmart or Walgreens . I could redo firebrick in oil refineries in their furnaces for you guessed it.. Making gas . So I can do commercial work with the big boys and make big money . Without it I'll be stuck working for homeowners who are looking to save a buck by hiring unlicensed uninsured people who hire out of the HD parking lot or I'll have to work for other contractors , decent money there, but not real money. Can't believe you even asked me that.
Anybody here can start a masonry contracting business, no special license required, just a remodeling license that is nothing but a proof of insurance credential. There is some tiny test about some simple things. It's basically the written driving test. Apprenticeship, licensing for that trade? Nothing at all. I never heard of a masonry license. I think you are talking only about union requirements not general ones. I could be wrong since you don't live where I do and the laws are quite Balkanized in this regard. Quote:
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It's your party saying " let's shut down the govt" There saying " let's shut down the whooole thing" Do I need to post a video? In the last election 1guy was saying ill do away with obamacare and the other guy was saying my healthcare bill is awesome and it's staying . Refresh my memory who did the people vote for in that election again? Who was it that won? Do you honestly think this will turn out any different than the last time when the two serial adulterers faced off over it years ago?
They passed a spending bill and sent it to the Senate. This is an irrefutable fact. The Dems in the Senate can pass it and the President can sign it. If neither happens it will be the Dems who "shut down" the government.
Who is it who won? From my recollection every single Republican in the House of Representatives won their elections. Spending bills are initiated in the House, the election winners of their districts. The People, in every poll I see, do not want Obamacare. Ergo the House of Representatives is doing what it is supposed to do. Represent the Paople. The Dems in the Senate and Obama are not.
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Mush4Brains said: Ted Cruz announces he will fillibuster the house CR bill, because he knows the defunding segment will be taken out of it after cloture.

No radical right? He's filibustering his own ideas. That's it, I'm done, I'm going home.


Are you slow? He is going to filibuster Reid's bill which is amended from the House bill to include Obamacare funding. If Reid amends the bill it isn't the House bill anymore, is it?
The people who write for Mother Jones are clearly fucking stupid.
If most of the people don't want Obamacare how is opposing Obamacare radical?
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The People, in every poll I see, do not want Obamacare. Ergo the House of Representatives is doing what it is supposed to do. Represent the Paople. The Dems in the Senate and Obama are not.
Well it's pretty amazing that last year when people went to the poll that really matters to cast a vote they voted for ..... Obama rather than Romney who clearly stated over and over ill stop obama care ... Is Carl Rove doing the math from these polls from you guys ? Cause according to his polls Romney was gunna win .
Anyway , Wat polls are you looking at ? Local redneck town polls.
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A new poll finds most Americans oppose GOP efforts to defund Obamacare.
A CNBC All-America Economic Survey released Monday finds 44 percent generally oppose defunding President Obama's signature healthcare reform law, with 38 percent in support.
When respondents are asked about the possibility of a government shutdown or default, opposition to defunding Obamacare rises to 59 percent, with 19 percent in favor.
The poll comes days after the GOP-controlled House passed a spending bill to keep government funded through mid-December, but which cuts blocks funds for healthcare reform.
You mean the ones you chose to see, this is the most recent one I could find. Now if you go all the way back to November
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Z. Byron Wolf Nov 13, 2012, 1:50 PM A record low number of American voters want to see the Affordable Care Act - Obamacare - repealed, according to a new post-election poll conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Obamacare was not the top issue driving American to vote, although nearly seven in 10 Americans cited it as a "major factor" in their decision choosing between the candidates, according to Kaiser. Voters who listed Obamacare as a major factor were evenly split between Republican Mitt Romney, 47 percent, and President Obama, 46 percent.
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Hey Zap, why don't you update your signature to show the reduction in deficit? Plus, the FY2009 budget was Bush's, why does it show it as Obama's?
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Are you slow? He is going to filibuster Reid's bill which is amended from the House bill to include Obamacare funding. If Reid amends the bill it isn't the House bill anymore, is it?
The people who write for Mother Jones are clearly fucking stupid.
If most of the people don't want Obamacare how is opposing Obamacare radical?
Uh, what? Once cloture is taken amendments can be passed with 51 votes. He will be filibustering the house bill, as it stands right now, so that no amendments can be made.
You say the people at Mother Jones are fucking stupid? Yet you link to The Blaze and Fox News? Pot, meet kettle.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/ted-cruz-s-playbook-filibuster-the-house-cr-20130922?mrefid=mostViewed
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/0923/Ted-Cruz-moment-of-truth-What-s-his-new-path-to-victory
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If Senator Reid doesn’t agree to do that – and he won’t, because he doesn’t have to – then “a vote for cloture is a vote for Obamacare," writes Cruz. In other words, Cruz and his allies will try to filibuster the bill at their first opportunity, even if it’s word-for-word identical to the version passed by the Republican-controlled House.
Are you slow? 
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: psilynut]
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The People, in every poll I see, do not want Obamacare. Ergo the House of Representatives is doing what it is supposed to do. Represent the Paople. The Dems in the Senate and Obama are not.
Well it's pretty amazing that last year when people went to the poll that really matters to cast a vote they voted for ..... Obama rather than Romney who clearly stated over and over ill stop obama care ... Is Carl Rove doing the math from these polls from you guys ? Cause according to his polls Romney was gunna win .
I don't recall it being a 1 issue election. I might point out that Scott Walker was elected Senator in Massafuckingchusetts specifically because of Obamacare. The People elected Republicans all over the country. Their vote counts too. That's why we don't have a dictatorial Presidency. Capisce.Quote:
Anyway , Wat polls are you looking at ? Local redneck town polls.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/15/20506193-poll-obamacare-remains-highly-unpopular-as-implementation-looms?lite
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A large number of Americans continue to adamantly oppose the nation’s new health-care law and believe it will produce damaging results, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
Forty-four percent of respondents call the health-care law a bad idea, while 31 percent believe it's a good idea -- virtually unchanged from July's NBC/WSJ survey.
By a 45 percent to 23 percent margin, Americans say it will have a negative impact on the country's health-care system rather than a positive one.
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A new poll finds most Americans oppose GOP efforts to defund Obamacare.
A CNBC All-America Economic Survey released Monday finds 44 percent generally oppose defunding President Obama's signature healthcare reform law, with 38 percent in support.
When respondents are asked about the possibility of a government shutdown or default, opposition to defunding Obamacare rises to 59 percent, with 19 percent in favor.
The poll comes days after the GOP-controlled House passed a spending bill to keep government funded through mid-December, but which cuts blocks funds for healthcare reform.
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You mean the ones you chose to see, this is the most recent one I could find. Now if you go all the way back to November
I see real ones. NBC and USA Today are certainly not right wing shills.Quote:
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Z. Byron Wolf Nov 13, 2012, 1:50 PM A record low number of American voters want to see the Affordable Care Act - Obamacare - repealed, according to a new post-election poll conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation.
I never heard of the Kaiser Family Foundation. Is that a local redneck town poll?Quote:
Obamacare was not the top issue driving American to vote, although nearly seven in 10 Americans cited it as a "major factor" in their decision choosing between the candidates, according to Kaiser. Voters who listed Obamacare as a major factor were evenly split between Republican Mitt Romney, 47 percent, and President Obama, 46 percent.
Yes, I know that. I believe that refutes your point that Obama got elected so he can be king. This sentence you just posted establishes that. For people who thought it was a major factor, more of them voted for Romney even though he lost. Kind of dilutes your point, doesn't it?
The people don't want it. They don't like it and even the NY Times is reporting that it is a disaster in the making. http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/23/revelation-from-the-nyt-obamacare-is-going-to-mean-fewer-choices/
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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zappaisgod said: Are you slow? He is going to filibuster Reid's bill which is amended from the House bill to include Obamacare funding. If Reid amends the bill it isn't the House bill anymore, is it?
The people who write for Mother Jones are clearly fucking stupid.
If most of the people don't want Obamacare how is opposing Obamacare radical?
Uh, what? Once cloture is taken amendments can be passed with 51 votes. He will be filibustering the house bill, as it stands right now, so that no amendments can be made.
You say the people at Mother Jones are fucking stupid? Yet you link to The Blaze and Fox News? Pot, meet kettle.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/ted-cruz-s-playbook-filibuster-the-house-cr-20130922?mrefid=mostViewed
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/0923/Ted-Cruz-moment-of-truth-What-s-his-new-path-to-victory
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If Senator Reid doesn’t agree to do that – and he won’t, because he doesn’t have to – then “a vote for cloture is a vote for Obamacare," writes Cruz. In other words, Cruz and his allies will try to filibuster the bill at their first opportunity, even if it’s word-for-word identical to the version passed by the Republican-controlled House.
Are you slow? 
Cruz can insist on no more amendments before a cloture vote. Reid can absolutely do that if he wants a cloture vote. The ball is in Reid's court.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
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I don't recall it being a 1 issue election. I might point out that Scott Walker was elected Senator in Massafuckingchusetts specifically because of Obamacare. The People elected Republicans all over the country. Their vote counts too. That's why we don't have a dictatorial Presidency. Capisce.

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Cruz can insist on no more amendments before a cloture vote. Reid can absolutely do that if he wants a cloture vote. The ball is in Reid's court.
So, Reid can completely bend over and cave to Cruz's demands, otherwise it is his fault. Why doesn't Cruz just completely bend over and cave to Reid's demands?
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Boehner won't break the Hastert rule, but Reid is supposed to give in to a vocal minority 
You have to have better arguments than this. A gerrymandered house is representing a vast minority of the people.
You claim Americans don't want the PPACA. How many of those people are progressives/liberals who want single-payer? Because you could technically say I don't want the PPACA, but that doesn't mean I support tying a continuing resolution to the defunding of it. But like psilynut said, the majority of people don't want Obamacare gone, and an even larger majority would agree to Obamacare if it were between Obamacare and shutting down the government.
And you claim that people didn't vote over one issue in the election, which is correct, but one issue was a big one with Romney saying that on his first day in office he would get rid of the PPACA . They campaigned on Obama ravaging Medicare, yet the same $718bn was cut in Ryan's plan too. The same tax revenues were kept to balance the budget .
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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I don't recall it being a 1 issue election. I might point out that Scott Walker was elected Senator in Massafuckingchusetts specifically because of Obamacare. The People elected Republicans all over the country. Their vote counts too. That's why we don't have a dictatorial Presidency. Capisce.

Yeah really. That's why Republicans control the House of Representatives and most statehouses. Or didn't you know that?Quote:
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Cruz can insist on no more amendments before a cloture vote. Reid can absolutely do that if he wants a cloture vote. The ball is in Reid's court.
So, Reid can completely bend over and cave to Cruz's demands, otherwise it is his fault. Why doesn't Cruz just completely bend over and cave to Reid's demands?

Because Reid's amendments won't pass the House. The Republican House sent him a bill. Let him pass it without amendment. If he amends it then he is responsible for any fiscal nuisance. Why should the House cave to Reid?
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Because the house is gerrymandered as fuck. Democrats received 1.4 million more votes than Republicans, yet somehow are a minority in the house. The Republican State Leadership Committee even admits it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/the-great-gerrymander-of-2012.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-18/republicans-foil-what-most-u-s-wants-with-gerrymandering.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/how-gerrymandering-has-created-a-segregated-house/279041/
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-11-13/opinions/35506182_1_democratic-senate-congressional-districts-house-seats
Then you get to the senate where disproportionate representation is at an all-time high. Small minorities are trying to impose their will on the majority of the people.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/11/us/politics/democracy-tested.html
Since when has minority rule been considered "democracy."
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Because Reid's amendments won't pass the House.
Don't be too sure about that.
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The Republican House sent him a bill. Let him pass it without amendment.
So Reid must give up all his powers as Majority Leader to succumb to the minority on something the American people don't want (the defunding of the PPACA)?
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If he amends it then he is responsible for any fiscal nuisance.
Why is this not on the house for continuing to pass bills that have a chance of passing the senate?
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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1. The US is not a Democracy. Never was. 2. Gerrymandering works both ways. Always has. 3. We would not be a nation without the proportions of the Senate. Did you know that Senators were originally chosen by the state legislators and not a popular vote? 4. Republicans control most of the state governments
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/23/cruz-begins-his-battle-to-defund-obamacare-in-government-funding-bill/
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Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz’s battle to pass the House-approved, Obamacare-defunding temporary budget bill has begun.
Cruz last week promised to use “any procedural means necessary” to keep a provision that would defund Obamacare in the bill, which funds the government through Dec. 15 and would prevent a government shutdown. It passed the House on Friday.
On Monday, Cruz asked for the Senate to vote on the bill without changing it at all or debating it. In response, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who earlier in the day declared any bill defunding Obamacare “dead on arrival” and plans to strip out that provision before sending the government-funding bill back to the House, said Cruz’s effort was doomed.
“The president would veto this continuing resolution, so it is not going to become law anyway,” he said.
Earlier in the day, Reid had accused Republicans of taking “hostages,” as the government will shut down if the two parties cannot come to an agreement in the next week. Cruz said that the Senate could avoid such a shutdown if Reid agreed to a vote and the bill passed.
“The government shutdown,” Cruz said, “would be taken off the table.” Instead, Cruz alleged that Reid was using ”the threat of a default to engage in brinksmanship to try to force Obamacare on the American people,” and said that any amendment to the bill should have to receive at least 60 votes.
A number of Republican senators have lambasted Cruz’s plan to defund Obamacare, and Cruz himself acknowledged last week that the Senate majority leader likely has the votes to alter the bill.
Why doesn't Harry think that sending an amended bill back to the House isn't doomed itself?
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: Boehner won't break the Hastert rule, but Reid is supposed to give in to a vocal minority 
You have to have better arguments than this. A gerrymandered house is representing a vast minority of the people.
You claim Americans don't want the PPACA. How many of those people are progressives/liberals who want single-payer? Because you could technically say I don't want the PPACA, but that doesn't mean I support tying a continuing resolution to the defunding of it. But like psilynut said, the majority of people don't want Obamacare gone, and an even larger majority would agree to Obamacare if it were between Obamacare and shutting down the government.
And you claim that people didn't vote over one issue in the election, which is correct, but one issue was a big one with Romney saying that on his first day in office he would get rid of the PPACA . They campaigned on Obama ravaging Medicare, yet the same $718bn was cut in Ryan's plan too. The same tax revenues were kept to balance the budget .
Obama did ravage medicare and if you want single payer than elect enough people to pass it. The fact is that a majority of people do not want this hashed together of piece of shit and it should be deleted. Why do you think Obama keeps granting exemption after exemption and delay after delay? Why do you think there is only one insurance co in NH that is participating in the fund and insurers are dropping out of California in droves.
Stop whining about gerrymandering. The Republicans are no more guilty of it than the Dems. Take a look at the Congressional district map of NY some time and tell me that isn't a fucking Picasso.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
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The Republicans are no more guilty of it than the Dems.
The data would suggest differently.
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if you want single payer than elect enough people to pass it
With the current districts, that is impossible.
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Why do you think there is only one insurance co in NH that is participating in the fund and insurers are dropping out of California in droves.
Because they want to keep taking money without providing service.
But, since this is a nationwide law, moving to other states won't make a difference. Your points don't quite add up here.
Either way, for-profit healthcare is on its last leg, as it should be.
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The Republicans are no more guilty of it than the Dems.
The data would suggest differently.
ORLY? Like I said, take a look at the NY state map.Quote:
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Obama did ravage medicare
, OK, champ. I'm sure you're right, again. 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2013/04/15/obamacare-to-slash-hundreds-of-billions-from-medicare-advantage-over-next-10-years/Quote:
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With the current districts, that is impossible.
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Because they want to keep taking money without providing service.
Insurance companies do not provide service. They provide money that pays for service. Did you read the NY Times article I posted? because it will rock your little world.Quote:
But, since this is a nationwide law, moving to other states won't make a difference. Your points don't quite add up here.
My points about state legislatures are a refutation of your assertions regarding the popularity of Dems and the irrelevance of your gerrymander whine. Want some cheese? Quote:
Either way, for-profit healthcare is on its last leg, as it should be.
Then there will be less of it. No profit, no incentive. You want to replace one bureaucracy (insurance co.s) with another (government hoes). A bureaucracy that cannot be sued.
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ORLY? Like I said, take a look at the NY state map.
Yeah, New York is the only state in the Union.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2013/04/15/obamacare-to-slash-hundreds-of-billions-from-medicare-advantage-over-next-10-years/
Explain, in your own words, how this is "ravaging" Medicare?
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Awwww too fucking bad for the bums
Aww, all you revert to is ad hominem attacks. How cute.
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Insurance companies do not provide service. They provide money that pays for service. Did you read the NY Times article I posted? because it will rock your little world.
How are insurance companies not providing a service? The aren't providing medical service, but they are providing a service as a middle-man. What la la land are you living in?
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Then there will be less of it. No profit, no incentive. You want to replace one bureaucracy (insurance co.s) with another (government hoes). A bureaucracy that cannot be sued.
Your opinion is not fact. As hard as that might be for you to believe, that is the truth.
I mean, you still didn't see that you said Scott Walker was elected as a Massachusetts senator .
Scott Brown was ousted in the next election, because he was such a scumbag.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: With the current districts, that is impossible.
Like Chicago's 4th?
Kindly educate us as to what Republicans had to do with that mess?
Both parties gerrymander whenever they can. Doesn't make it right, but it does reveal the intellectual dishonesty of those who claim otherwise.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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1.3 million votes were for democrats in the 2012 House races. Republicans control 53.8% of the house. The numbers don't add up here. How is that representation? You can point at individual districts, but that is an obvious misrepresentation as a whole.
http://www.rslc.com/redmap_2012_summary_report
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ORLY? Like I said, take a look at the NY state map.
Yeah, New York is the only state in the Union.
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Explain, in your own words, how this is "ravaging" Medicare?
He cut the shit out of it. What would you call that?Quote:
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Awwww too fucking bad for the bums
Aww, all you revert to is ad hominem attacks. How cute.
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Insurance companies do not provide service. They provide money that pays for service. Did you read the NY Times article I posted? because it will rock your little world.
How are insurance companies not providing a service? The aren't providing medical service, but they are providing a service as a middle-man. What la la land are you living in?
No doctors, nurses and hospitals provide a service. I do not consider insurance a service any omre than they consider my premiums a service. Once again, get a dictionary.Quote:
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Then there will be less of it. No profit, no incentive. You want to replace one bureaucracy (insurance co.s) with another (government hoes). A bureaucracy that cannot be sued.
Your opinion is not fact. As hard as that might be for you to believe, that is the truth.
It has been a time proven truth that when you eliminate the profit incentive you get less of a thing. Nobody works for free.Quote:
I mean, you still didn't see that you said Scott Walker was elected as a Massachusetts senator .
I got the wrong ScottQuote:
Scott Brown was ousted in the next election, because he was such a scumbag.
No, he lost because Massachusetts is nut case blue. There was nothing scumbaggy about Scott Brown. If you have something scumbaggy about Scott Brown post it. Elizabeth Warren, on the other hand, is a complete scumbag. Fauxcohontas lying commie pig.
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It holds up quite nicely when you realize (if you ever realize) the votes for members of the House are not the same as votes for President. Republicans, to your clear dismay, were able to win their INDIVIDUAL races.
The nationwide vote count has no bearing on the INDIVIDUAL districts. It could be 20 million and it wouldn't (nor should it) matter.
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Mush4Brains said: 1.3 million votes were for democrats in the 2012 House races. Republicans control 53.8% of the house. The numbers don't add up here. How is that representation? You can point at individual districts, but that is an obvious misrepresentation as a whole.
http://www.rslc.com/redmap_2012_summary_report
Yeah, so? The Dems build safe districts for themselves as well and the federal government helps them with their affirmative action districting mandates in the South. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
They give 10 examples. 7 favor Dems.Quote:
Good thing the Welfare Queens of the GOP house are still raking in the $$$.
I have no problem with eliminating them entirely. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/14/your-tax-dollars-subsidizing-scottie-pippen-ted-turner-and-jon-bon-jovi/
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The eye-popping findings in the 36-page report include some eye-catching names, like former NBA star Scottie Pippen and billionaire media mogul Ted Turner, both of whom received farm subsidies courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. Singer Jon Bon Jovi paid property taxes of only $100 last year on a plot of land he used to raise bees. Iconic crooner Bruce Springsteen also got in on the farm subsidy action, for property he leases to an organic farmer. And Millionaire composer-producer Quincy Jones is even singled out for receiving a $25,000 award from the federally-funded National Endowment for the Arts.
I'm pretty sure these are all big Dem donors, including Ted Turner.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18881509 - 09/23/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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He cut the shit out of it. What would you call that?
Limiting growth. Isn't cutting "shit" out of government programs something you support?
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That isn't ad hominem. Get a dictionary.
Literally "to the man," or "to the person" the "bums" are obviously your opponents, and all you can do is disparage them.
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No doctors, nurses and hospitals provide a service. I do not consider insurance a service any omre than they consider my premiums a service. Once again, get a dictionary.
Once again, how are insurance companies not providing a service?
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It has been a time proven truth that when you eliminate the profit incentive you get less of a thing. Nobody works for free.
Why do non-profits exist then? Non-profit doesn't mean you don't get paid . Come on now.
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If you have something scumbaggy about Scott Brown
His SuperPAC was almost entirely funded by the Kochs.
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Fauxcohontas lying commie pig.
, so immature. More ad hominem.
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Republicans, to your clear dismay, were able to win their INDIVIDUAL races.
Due to gerrymandering, as admitted by republicans themselves.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18881512 - 09/23/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Scottie Pippen, Bon Jovi, and Ted Turner aren't proposing cutting into the average of $4.50 a day that food stamp recipients are currently receiving. The entire GOP is full of hypocrites. Subsides for big business, nothing for the poor. How Christian of them.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18881523 - 09/23/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Keep trying. Both "sides" do the same.
It's been done by Dems and Repubs. It will continue to be done by Dems and Repubs.
Each side will continue to claim only the others do it. Each side will claim to be offended, shocked and appalled.
And the intellectually dishonest will continue to claim otherwise.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18881548 - 09/23/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It should be done by non-partisan commissions.
That being said, to try and claim gerrymandering hasn't created an extremely GOP dominated 113 House is intellectually dishonest.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18881550 - 09/23/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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He cut the shit out of it. What would you call that?
Limiting growth. Isn't cutting "shit" out of government programs something you support?
Sure. As soon as you end the medicare tax you can end medicare. Quote:
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That isn't ad hominem. Get a dictionary.
Literally "to the man," or "to the person" the "bums" are obviously your opponents, and all you can do is disparage them.
Shouldn't bums be disparaged? How can it be "to the person" when I am disparaging a whole class of people who are titsucking parasites?Quote:
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No doctors, nurses and hospitals provide a service. I do not consider insurance a service any omre than they consider my premiums a service. Once again, get a dictionary.
Once again, how are insurance companies not providing a service?
How am I not providing them with a service by paying them? So much servicing going on. It's practically a porn film.Quote:
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It has been a time proven truth that when you eliminate the profit incentive you get less of a thing. Nobody works for free.
Why do non-profits exist then? Non-profit doesn't mean you don't get paid . Come on now.
Then theer are people profiting from them, aren't there? They are called non-profits as a tax designation. There are lots of people making tons of money off of non-profits. It is a tax dodge.Quote:
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If you have something scumbaggy about Scott Brown
His SuperPAC was almost entirely funded by the Kochs.
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Fauxcohontas lying commie pig.
, so immature. More ad hominem.
Do you not know of the tale of the fake Indian who got into Harvard on false minority status and campaigned on false minority status?
The real Indians are pretty disgusted with her for claiming fake ancestry. See also: Ward ChurchillQuote:
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Republicans, to your clear dismay, were able to win their INDIVIDUAL races.
Due to gerrymandering, as admitted by republicans themselves.
I already addressed your nonsense about gerrymandering. Stop crying.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18881554 - 09/23/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: It should be done by non-partisan commissions.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18881559 - 09/23/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: It should be done by non-partisan commissions.
Which still leaves your "Wah! The Republicans gerrymander" statement as a load of intellectual dishonesty.
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That being said, to try and claim gerrymandering hasn't created an extremely GOP dominated 113 House is intellectually dishonest.
Then it's a good thing I didn't claim that.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18881560 - 09/23/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Scottie Pippen, Bon Jovi, and Ted Turner aren't proposing cutting into the average of $4.50 a day that food stamp recipients are currently receiving. The entire GOP is full of hypocrites. Subsides for big business, nothing for the poor. How Christian of them.
Nothing for the poor? In 2011 alone the governments of the US gave away almost 1 trillion dollars of means tested largesse. That does not include medicare or soc sec, which are not means tested.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18881588 - 09/23/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure. As soon as you end the medicare tax you can end medicare.
So now you're against Medicare completely? If you haven't been able to save enough for health care, we just let old people die? Man, and I thought the "death panels" were bad.
Shouldn't bums be disparaged? How can it be "to the person" when I am disparaging a whole class of people who are titsucking parasites?
More ad hominem.
How am I not providing them with a service by paying them?
At this point, I think you're just pulling stuff out of your ass to try and create an argument. You're wrong, insurance companies provide a service by being the middle-man between you and the hospital. Whether you like the service or not, it's still a service.
Then theer are people profiting from them, aren't there? They are called non-profits as a tax designation. There are lots of people making tons of money off of non-profits. It is a tax dodge.
I know you're smarter than that stupid, stupid statement.
So? What's scummy about that?
The Kochs are scummy bastards who are determined on destroying what made America the greatest country in the world. They want to rape the resources of America, and move on to the next profitable country, so that they can have enormous wealth and recognition.
Do you not know of the tale of the fake Indian who got into Harvard on false minority status and campaigned on false minority status?
The real Indians are pretty disgusted with her for claiming fake ancestry. See also: Ward Churchill
Calling Native Americans "Indians" probably disgusts them as well.
And unicorns
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18881597 - 09/23/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's so cute how LDS and Zappa try and tag team people.
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#18881623 - 09/23/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right.
What's cute is the uninformed things you say, your failure to address them when brought to your attention and your attempt to deflect.
But you keep right on doing it.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18881647 - 09/23/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm the uninformed one . I'm the one buying right-wing media propaganda hook, line, and sinker .
You've provided no links, no discussion, only saying I'm wrong. This happened when you wouldn't believe that GWB lied about the Iraq war too . All you have is your beliefs, and no amount of evidence will convince you differently. Typical righty.
I'm done with this circle-jerk. The intellectual capacity of this part of Shroomery is so low it's starting to make me dumber.
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18881656 - 09/23/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude, if that's all you got... good for you.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#18881665 - 09/23/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Sure. As soon as you end the medicare tax you can end medicare.
So now you're against Medicare completely? If you haven't been able to save enough for health care, we just let old people die? Man, and I thought the "death panels" were bad.
If you pay for it you should get it. If you don't you shouldn't. Do you have any idea how much was confiscated in taxes from me to pay for medicare? Let's phase out soc sec, too. Every year the government takes about 12% of a person's income to fund soc sec and then embezzles it. Quote:
Shouldn't bums be disparaged? How can it be "to the person" when I am disparaging a whole class of people who are titsucking parasites?
More ad hominem.
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How am I not providing them with a service by paying them?
At this point, I think you're just pulling stuff out of your ass to try and create an argument. You're wrong, insurance companies provide a service by being the middle-man between you and the hospital. Whether you like the service or not, it's still a service.
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Then theer are people profiting from them, aren't there? They are called non-profits as a tax designation. There are lots of people making tons of money off of non-profits. It is a tax dodge.
I know you're smarter than that stupid, stupid statement.
It is 100% accurate. It is just a tax designation.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/Slideshow/2012/12/20/10-Insanely-Overpaid-Nonprofit-Execs
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The William and Flora Hewlett Foundation is a private nonprofit started by Hewlett-Packard cofounder William Redington Hewlett in 1966 that awards grants to educational and cultural institutions.
Mr. Hoagland, who was formerly a portfolio manager of the Irwin Management Company in Indiana, earns pay fit for a top CEO on Wall Street. In 2011, his base salary was $561,927, but he earned an additional $1.87 million for “incentive compensation” on top of $35,059 in retirement payments. Not included in this number are his generous benefits - $65,311 for medical coverage and matched 403(b) retirement contributions.
Looks pretty profitable to me
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So? What's scummy about that?
The Kochs are scummy bastards who are determined on destroying what made America the greatest country in the world. They want to rape the resources of America, and move on to the next profitable country, so that they can have enormous wealth and recognition.
"Raping" resources is precisely what made America great.Quote:
Do you not know of the tale of the fake Indian who got into Harvard on false minority status and campaigned on false minority status?
The real Indians are pretty disgusted with her for claiming fake ancestry. See also: Ward Churchill
Calling Native Americans "Indians" probably disgusts them as well.
Doesn't bother me (Passamaquoddy). The term Native American didn't even exist when I was a kidQuote:
And unicorns
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You have this notion that districts are fate. I note you did not address my article wherein 7 of 10 districts cited were gerrymandered for Dem's benefit. Keep up the nonsense.
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#18881673 - 09/23/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Yeah, I'm the uninformed one . I'm the one buying right-wing media propaganda hook, line, and sinker .
You've provided no links, no discussion, only saying I'm wrong. This happened when you wouldn't believe that GWB lied about the Iraq war too . All you have is your beliefs, and no amount of evidence will convince you differently. Typical righty.
I'm done with this circle-jerk. The intellectual capacity of this part of Shroomery is so low it's starting to make me dumber.
I don't think that's possible. And you whining about a tag team? On the Shroomery? Welcome to my world. Lefty loons are easily 4 to 1 over sane people.
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