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Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup
    #18871893 - 09/21/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This will be my first grow, but I've been doing some research for some time now. I think I have pretty much everything planned out, but want to make sure that things will work properly, or if anyone has any advice for tweaks/etc. I realize this will be my first grow, but I'd prefer to spawn to substrate in a monotube, and would prefer people give me advice on that and not try to tell a newbie to do something simpler. Worst case I've wasted a syringe and a few bucks, I'll admit defeat and go with something really simple like cakes in a SG.

I'm wanting to inoculate into WBS, then spawn that into a hpoo substrate(not sure if pure hpoo would be a good enough substrate by itself or if I should add something to it as well). I want to then case it with seed starter, I read a tek on using seed starter and using a very thin casing then shifting it until you get knotting, seems to produce amazing results. I'm hoping to also use a cool mist humidifier, since that will help with automation as well as producing a lot of FAE and moisture to keep things optimal at all times.

Don't think I'm missing anything really? Just want to know if anybody has any suggestions?


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: Hazanko]
    #18871943 - 09/21/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've tried WBS before and my only advice would be to not get the kind with too much sunflower seeds and other bullshit you don't need, also make sure you dry the WBS for a full 12 hours as WBS tends to keep water.


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: Hazanko]
    #18872038 - 09/21/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Hazanko said:
I'll admit defeat and go with something really simple like cakes in a SG.




This isn't necessarily the mindset you want to have going in. You shouldn't just give up after one failed attempt. This is a hobby that requires you to learn from your failure. With that being said, as cgsjames said above, the less sunflower and added crap like twigs and sticks the better. However, 12 hours for drying is no where necessary, it doesn't hurt, but an hour or so is normally more than enough. Just follow this guide for perfect WBS preparation.

Also, I would suggest using a monotub with a coir/verm/gypsum substrate and no casing. This is probably the easiest way to do it, while requiring the easiest to find materials. On top of that, you the seed starter is not necessary, as well as a humidifier is not needed when using a monotub.

Honestly just read through all of "How Frank gets shit done" and you will learn everything you need.

Hope this helps!


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: SgtGanja]
    #18872049 - 09/21/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I personally use rye berries but that's because they're like 80 cents a pound at the health food store down the road.


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: SgtGanja]
    #18872082 - 09/21/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I really suggest you start with cakes.  It teaches you so much.  Once you have completed that then I would suggest moving onto grain.

That being said.  Rye would be a better first time grain spawn.  Its much easier to get correct.  WBS requires a sort of finese to get the right moisture content.

If you want to use HPOO I would add verm 70/30 and pasteurize 140-160F for an hour.  I would really suggest skipping the casing first time around.  Its unnecessary with cubes specially spawned to HPOO.  It adds an extra step and you are going off of no experience as is.  With no real benefits either.

You mention spawning and a humidifier but no FC choice is mentioned.  There is no need for a humidifier unless you are building a martha style green house.  Then you would still need an ultra sonic.

I would still suggest you start with cakes and maybe if your really brave cakes spawned to manure in trays or a tub.


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: SgtGanja]
    #18872392 - 09/21/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

what exactly makes it so much more complicated spawning into manure or another substrate, than just going with cakes? I mean obviously you're adding another step, but is making sure everything is pasteurized properly where most people go wrong? I feel like as long as you sterilize and pasteurize everything, it would be rather foolproof?


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: Hazanko]
    #18872432 - 09/21/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't say it is that much more complicated.  Plenty of people start off with bulk and it turns out fine for them.  Starting with cakes however can help you notice contamination and understand the life cycle from spore to fruit.  It is mostly just so that you aren't tossing all of your eggs in the same basket, so that if you have a contam in one of your spawn jars you won't waste your other five and 12 quarts of substrate.

If you want to follow a good tek by a Trusted Cultivator step by step, without cutting any corners, then you should be rewarded with plenty of mushrooms if you go start with bulk.



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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: Hazanko]
    #18872848 - 09/21/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Hazanko said:
what exactly makes it so much more complicated spawning into manure or another substrate, than just going with cakes? I mean obviously you're adding another step, but is making sure everything is pasteurized properly where most people go wrong? I feel like as long as you sterilize and pasteurize everything, it would be rather foolproof?





It really isn't that complicated. It all depends on how well you are at following directions and paying attention to detail. If you follow the teks laid down by someone like FH or TL perfectly you can't go wrong imo


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: Stromrider]
    #18873122 - 09/21/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

For me personally, I studied hard on cakes rye casing and agar through a video I saw quite a few years ago.  The first week I re started growing mushrooms(I had had a shitty pf cake grow 20 years ago) I did everything successfully and didnt run into a contam for a year.

I had studied PF tek, TMC, MMGG, for awhile before I had heard of shroomery.  That was six years ago.

If you really study and pay attention to everything that you do you should be able to do it.


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18873128 - 09/21/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, it really does take more than just following instructions, you really want to know what you're doing each step for.  I was on the Shroomery for over a year before I made my first cake, now 5+ years later I'm able to help others start their adventures.


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: Hazanko]
    #18873212 - 09/21/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My wife recently got WBS with mostly wheat in it... or aka rye berrys[/overline](incorrect). it turns out rye berrys seem to be a bit better. They hold more water ive not spawned them yet but its going really well. I think from walmart.

I would say yes do WBS to a monotub and use coir and verm no casing layer  and make it a little thin. If you do get contams your unlucky but you can just cut it out and keep going. I end up having about 50% success rate with surgery casings. Make sure the WBS gets simmered but be very careful as they will explode easy. I just dumped boiling water on mine for 15 minutes and it worked great... and of course PCed after I dont want to confuse you you need to sterlize. FAE(Fresh air exchange)isnt very imporant in the jar state ive found.


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: MADPANTSDOME]
    #18873227 - 09/21/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wheat and rye berries are not the same thing.  Extremely similar but wheat is a little lower on the nutrition scale I'm pretty sure.  Rye and wheat can even interbreed to form ... well I forgot the name but I wonder how that would work for spawn  :strokebeard:


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18873266 - 09/21/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh no way ugh I let my newb hang out. Well thanks since thats the case the wheat is working great but remeber its WBS and wheat from walmart that I used. Its just like 50% wheat.


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: Hazanko]
    #18873366 - 09/21/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm pretty excited for my spores to come in :smile:

I decided to go with Orissa India's, and I'll see what other syringe they send me. If my orissa's don't work out somehow, then I'll go with whatever other they send me. The size on some of those orissa's make me salivate =p


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Re: Advice on my plan for a first-time grow setup [Re: Hazanko]
    #18873383 - 09/21/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Remove the vendor name from your post.


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