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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: human experience]
#18866276 - 09/20/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is a very interesting topic! I've been practicing some martial arts for a few years as well and mostly made a lifestyle out of working out and I can definitely feel much more in tune with my energy levels.
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human experience said: From my studies in M.A. and Chinese Medicine:
Three Treasures: Jing (Essence) Chi (Vital Energy) Shen (Spirit, Intent)
Energy can be increased in a human being. The development of chi can improve a ill or weaker person. More chi can enhance mental capacity too.
Jing spontaneously converts into qi, and qi into shen. One can enhance or speed up or slow down this process via qigong, tai ji, acupuncture or other practices that circulate chi.
A gardener who grows a seed into a tree, tending to it, watering, pruning, fertilizing, etc., is converting its jing into qi under the most favorable conditions. However, even with the best care he can't convert the tree back into the seed.
Another powerful MA to consider is Choy Lay Fut because it balances hard and soft styles and uses the body effectively similar to Aikido use of energy.
This was interesting to me as well because in Indian philosophy there is a threefold concept exactly like this. Basically everything has three forms of energetic expression in reality: tamas, rajas and sattvia. Tamas is translated as inertia. Water for example is tamasic when it takes the form of ice. Rajas is movement so water as a liquid is rajasic. Sattvia is the purest form of energy, the lightest and water is sattvic when it is vapor.
Now, you can apply this threefold concept, very similar to the chinese one ( Jing, Chi, Shen ) to anything in life. I've even wrote an essay a couple years ago demonstrating how you can apply the threefold concept from an indian perspective to music. In a nutshell, tamasic music is music that is not meant to improve or challenge listener. For example most pop music. Rajasic music is music that is meant to move the listener and whose purpose is to evolve music as a genre. This includes most progressive music as well as music that is '' punk '' in it's essence. Finally, sattvic music is music that goes back to the roots of music, the purest forms of music without any purpose other than to be music. Great examples of this is drone music, ambient music, classical music and traditional folk/world music.
Energy is everywhere folks! We are energy, let's not forget it. Energy is all there is and so it is important to take a stance: are you tamasic, rajasic or sattvic?
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: Icelander]
#18867706 - 09/20/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Several but the one that really worked for me was Non Classical Wing Chun. A style developed by Bruce Lee and James DeMile in Seattle. Also called Wing Chun Do at one time. His senior student John Beall was my primary instructor who opened his own school and changed things slightly and consequently also the name. I was his first senior student and then taught for him for a time. The style and name has subsequently changed again.
http://www.wingchundo.com/
Movement Arts 3502 204th NE, Arlington, WA 98223 Tel: 360-435-7193 Fax: 435-6817 Email: fighters@premier1.net Web: www.premier1.net/~fighters Contact: John N. Beall Notes: Tsun Jo Wing Chun is the style taught here. A street-practical style distinct from other Wing Chun. The head instructor and founder of the style is John N. Beall. Visitors are welcome; an appointment is best. Training includes modern weapons, groundfighting, and defense against multiple attackers. Forms are NOT taught, instead short fighting combinations are used. Chi Sao for fighting application and other sticking exercises are emphasized. Mook Jong, escaping holds and sparring skills are all major parts of training.
I thought Wing Chun was never meant to be a certain style, so why change the name if it is still Wing Chun? How can it be distinct from other Wing Chun when then premise of Wing Chun is to use what works for the person?
I think if you have a set structure then you aren't considering what is necessarily the best for the person, and it isn't really Wing Chun at all?
What do you think Icelander?
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: teknix]
#18868007 - 09/20/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Several but the one that really worked for me was Non Classical Wing Chun. A style developed by Bruce Lee and James DeMile in Seattle. Also called Wing Chun Do at one time. His senior student John Beall was my primary instructor who opened his own school and changed things slightly and consequently also the name. I was his first senior student and then taught for him for a time. The style and name has subsequently changed again.
http://www.wingchundo.com/
Movement Arts 3502 204th NE, Arlington, WA 98223 Tel: 360-435-7193 Fax: 435-6817 Email: fighters@premier1.net Web: www.premier1.net/~fighters Contact: John N. Beall Notes: Tsun Jo Wing Chun is the style taught here. A street-practical style distinct from other Wing Chun. The head instructor and founder of the style is John N. Beall. Visitors are welcome; an appointment is best. Training includes modern weapons, groundfighting, and defense against multiple attackers. Forms are NOT taught, instead short fighting combinations are used. Chi Sao for fighting application and other sticking exercises are emphasized. Mook Jong, escaping holds and sparring skills are all major parts of training.
I thought Wing Chun was never meant to be a certain style, so why change the name if it is still Wing Chun? How can it be distinct from other Wing Chun when then premise of Wing Chun is to use what works for the person?
I think if you have a set structure then you aren't considering what is necessarily the best for the person, and it isn't really Wing Chun at all?
What do you think Icelander?
If I may.
What you say makes a lot of sense and is very close to the philosophy that Bruce Lee made popular; namely, that one should take what works and leave what doesn't. It is the essence of Jeet Kune Do, Bruce's approach to martial arts. Now, Bruce was trained in Wing Chun from an early age and it's why he developped his own approach using Wing Chun as a spring board. Wing Chun was always a strong influence to him, it was his starting point in martial arts so it makes a lot of sense that he started from there on his quest to find the best way ( to him ). And since Wing Chun is a branch of Kung fu, of Chinese martial arts, it uses certain specific concepts that are unique to it's style even if said style is very fluid philosophically as well as physiologically.
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: nicechrisman]
#18869476 - 09/20/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've never experienced chi in martial arts but I very much do experience pranayama in fitness, running, lifting etc. I really dont think its simply the nervous system tuning or endorphins, but instead it feels like a balance that allows reception of outside life forces.
I am probably crazy though, lets be real.
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: nicechrisman]
#18869547 - 09/20/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: If I studied something besides Aikido, it would probably be Wing Chun. It seems to me that they operate on similar principles, but with different styles of application.
I used to study kempo as a kid, but I never really found it to be very practical.
I love Judo for martial arts sake, but BJJ is the bees knees
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: solstice]
#18870091 - 09/20/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Several but the one that really worked for me was Non Classical Wing Chun. A style developed by Bruce Lee and James DeMile in Seattle. Also called Wing Chun Do at one time. His senior student John Beall was my primary instructor who opened his own school and changed things slightly and consequently also the name. I was his first senior student and then taught for him for a time. The style and name has subsequently changed again.
http://www.wingchundo.com/
Movement Arts 3502 204th NE, Arlington, WA 98223 Tel: 360-435-7193 Fax: 435-6817 Email: fighters@premier1.net Web: www.premier1.net/~fighters Contact: John N. Beall Notes: Tsun Jo Wing Chun is the style taught here. A street-practical style distinct from other Wing Chun. The head instructor and founder of the style is John N. Beall. Visitors are welcome; an appointment is best. Training includes modern weapons, groundfighting, and defense against multiple attackers. Forms are NOT taught, instead short fighting combinations are used. Chi Sao for fighting application and other sticking exercises are emphasized. Mook Jong, escaping holds and sparring skills are all major parts of training.
I thought Wing Chun was never meant to be a certain style, so why change the name if it is still Wing Chun? How can it be distinct from other Wing Chun when then premise of Wing Chun is to use what works for the person?
I think if you have a set structure then you aren't considering what is necessarily the best for the person, and it isn't really Wing Chun at all?
What do you think Icelander?
If I may.
What you say makes a lot of sense and is very close to the philosophy that Bruce Lee made popular; namely, that one should take what works and leave what doesn't. It is the essence of Jeet Kune Do, Bruce's approach to martial arts. Now, Bruce was trained in Wing Chun from an early age and it's why he developped his own approach using Wing Chun as a spring board. Wing Chun was always a strong influence to him, it was his starting point in martial arts so it makes a lot of sense that he started from there on his quest to find the best way ( to him ). And since Wing Chun is a branch of Kung fu, of Chinese martial arts, it uses certain specific concepts that are unique to it's style even if said style is very fluid philosophically as well as physiologically.
Yeah your right, Bruce Lee developed Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, not Wing Chun, my bad.

(Or Icelanders and his Sensei's.)
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: teknix]
#18870158 - 09/20/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Several but the one that really worked for me was Non Classical Wing Chun. A style developed by Bruce Lee and James DeMile in Seattle. Also called Wing Chun Do at one time. His senior student John Beall was my primary instructor who opened his own school and changed things slightly and consequently also the name. I was his first senior student and then taught for him for a time. The style and name has subsequently changed again.
http://www.wingchundo.com/
Movement Arts 3502 204th NE, Arlington, WA 98223 Tel: 360-435-7193 Fax: 435-6817 Email: fighters@premier1.net Web: www.premier1.net/~fighters Contact: John N. Beall Notes: Tsun Jo Wing Chun is the style taught here. A street-practical style distinct from other Wing Chun. The head instructor and founder of the style is John N. Beall. Visitors are welcome; an appointment is best. Training includes modern weapons, groundfighting, and defense against multiple attackers. Forms are NOT taught, instead short fighting combinations are used. Chi Sao for fighting application and other sticking exercises are emphasized. Mook Jong, escaping holds and sparring skills are all major parts of training.
I thought Wing Chun was never meant to be a certain style, so why change the name if it is still Wing Chun? How can it be distinct from other Wing Chun when then premise of Wing Chun is to use what works for the person?
I think if you have a set structure then you aren't considering what is necessarily the best for the person, and it isn't really Wing Chun at all?
What do you think Icelander?
If I may.
What you say makes a lot of sense and is very close to the philosophy that Bruce Lee made popular; namely, that one should take what works and leave what doesn't. It is the essence of Jeet Kune Do, Bruce's approach to martial arts. Now, Bruce was trained in Wing Chun from an early age and it's why he developped his own approach using Wing Chun as a spring board. Wing Chun was always a strong influence to him, it was his starting point in martial arts so it makes a lot of sense that he started from there on his quest to find the best way ( to him ). And since Wing Chun is a branch of Kung fu, of Chinese martial arts, it uses certain specific concepts that are unique to it's style even if said style is very fluid philosophically as well as physiologically.
Yeah your right, Bruce Lee developed Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, not Wing Chun, my bad.

(Or Icelanders and his Sensei's.)

HA you're going to say Jeet Kune Do because it was Bruce Lee's style. You have to be kidding me. Bruce Lee collaborated with anyone who would listen to a mixed philosophy of martial arts.
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: Yogi1]
#18870175 - 09/20/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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True that, he invented full contact martial arts. He has MMA going before UFC or MMA.
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: teknix]
#18870187 - 09/20/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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teknix said: True that, he invented full contact martial arts. He has MMA going before UFC or MMA.
So why assume he has nothing to do with other mixed styles without any literature to support said claim?
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: Yogi1]
#18870229 - 09/20/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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He didn't really invent wing chun, he studied it, it was around before he was born.
Unless I'm mistaken.
I only know boxing, wresting, tae kwon do, and isshinryu.
But I still never met anyone irl with faster hands than me.
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: teknix]
#18870248 - 09/20/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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teknix said: He didn't really invent wing chun, he studied it, it was around before he was born.
Unless I'm mistaken.
I only know boxing, wresting, tae kwon do, and isshinryu.
But I still never met anyone irl with faster hands than me.
Wing Chun the traditional style was one of the first things Lee crosstrained in. I just didnt like that you were calling out Icelander regardless of whether he's being truthful when Bruce Lee was clearly participating in what he is claiming.
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: Yogi1]
#18870276 - 09/20/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Participating is a far cry from inventing, but maybe he did also invent another style of Wing Chun, I dunno.
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: teknix]
#18871075 - 09/21/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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teknix said: Participating is a far cry from inventing, but maybe he did also invent another style of Wing Chun, I dunno.
I always call Icelander out, you scared?





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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: Yogi1]
#18871716 - 09/21/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol, I was just being silly and messin.
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