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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
#18876658 - 09/22/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: First they flame the fuck out of me in PM and then put me on ignore.
That is always funny. And quite telling. Would Jesus flame the shit out of somebody on the Shroomery? Doubt it
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: viktor]
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Repertoire89]
#18876744 - 09/22/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah yes, condemned to burn for eternity by an all loving god.
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
#18876762 - 09/22/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like my ex
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Repertoire89]
#18878699 - 09/23/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tribesman said: Books tell lots of things, but no, isn't it the ego that glories in feeling important, needed, wise; isn't the ego that takes pain in the antithesis of the above mentioned traits?
Is it? Sounds like an illusion to me
What's an illusion; the ego, or the view that it is negative?
The idea that the ego is negative, there is no proof that the ego is bad - it is a blind assumption passed down from the Inquisitors of the world.
I found this description a few hours ago, it would appear to describe it As ambivalent.
" In Buddhist psychology, ego is seen as a kind of filter, a network through which energy is constantly being channelled and manipulated rather than being able to flow freely in unrestricted space. It is not a solid entity but a moment-to-moment process."
So it is an adaptive algorithm?
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: tribesman] 1
#18878915 - 09/23/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the idea is that you grow out of it once you're emotionally ready to be truly free.
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: viktor] 1
#18879286 - 09/23/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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funny Great carrot for suckers imo.
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
#18879638 - 09/23/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Selflessness for the establishment of clarity? Maybe not, yet still appreciated, at least by myself.
On the ego/self. Minimizing it's effect is the game. It will never be gone. We need that shit to survive/want to survive, yo.
Cheers
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: viktor]
#18879671 - 09/23/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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viktor said: I think the idea is that you grow out of it once you're emotionally ready to be truly free.
Do you think the ego is just fed by emotion; or reacts emotionally?
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: ashfiken]
#18879701 - 09/23/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ashfiken said: Selflessness for the establishment of clarity? Maybe not, yet still appreciated, at least by myself.
On the ego/self. Minimizing it's effect is the game. It will never be gone. We need that shit to survive/want to survive, yo.
Cheers
The selfless thing was mocking the term. You know I don't believe in it. And thanks. Nice to know it's occasionally appreciated.
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: tribesman]
#18879842 - 09/23/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I found this description a few hours ago, it would appear to describe it As ambivalent.
" In Buddhist psychology, ego is seen as a kind of filter, a network through which energy is constantly being channelled and manipulated rather than being able to flow freely in unrestricted space. It is not a solid entity but a moment-to-moment process."
So it is an adaptive algorithm?
The only ego which exists is your mind as separate from anyone else, there is no evidence that it is a bad thing. I can however provide a good idea as to why it is a good thing, without an ego you wouldn't be able to walk across the room or even perceive it. Without individual consciousness there would be no consciousness as far as anyone can prove. If you can't actually prove that the ego is negative, except for some vague feeling people indoctrinated by Buddhists/Hindus have - then consider that the intellectual freedom one has when freed from that wild goose chase is not vague.
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Repertoire89]
#18879885 - 09/23/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: tribesman]
#18880799 - 09/23/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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viktor said: I think the idea is that you grow out of it once you're emotionally ready to be truly free.
Do you think the ego is just fed by emotion; or reacts emotionally?
Dunno mate.
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
#18880811 - 09/23/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: funny Great carrot for suckers imo.
But what's there to lose, though? It seems to me that the ego is the sum of one's fears.
Actually, I've never sure if any two people mean the same thing when they say ego
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
#18880843 - 09/23/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is there a point to this?
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: viktor]
#18880930 - 09/23/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: funny Great carrot for suckers imo.
But what's there to lose, though? It seems to me that the ego is the sum of one's fears.
Actually, I've never sure if any two people mean the same thing when they say ego 
The ego is the personality structure imo. You use it to navigate material reality. If it's balanced and somewhat healthy there is little problem. Without one you don't exist.
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
#18881365 - 09/23/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think when I refer to ego as a negative thing, I am referring to its tendency towards control, and its desire to dominate anything separate from itself that is classified as not self. The other negative is the attachment we have to our ego, maybe by over valuing it, and forgetting/denying it is dynamic and ultimately impermanent.
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: tribesman]
#18881442 - 09/23/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think about it that way. I think of the ego structure as basically healthy and skillful or unhealthy and unskillful, or some mix of that but always important and always needed.
To each his own.
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
#18882810 - 09/23/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Definition of ego (n) e·go[ gō ]
1-self-esteem:somebody's idea of his or her own importance or worth, usually of an appropriate level
2-inflated opinion of self:an exaggerated sense of self-importance and a feeling of superiority to other people
3-part of mind containing consciousness:in Freudian psychology, one of three main divisions of the mind, containing consciousness and memory and involved with control, planning, and conforming to reality Synonymspersonality, character, self, self-image, self-worth, self-esteem, individuality.
These are the three definitions that I get, but relating to the earlier quote that describes it as a filter; what is behind the filter?
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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: tribesman]
#18883149 - 09/24/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I found this description a few hours ago, it would appear to describe it As ambivalent.
" In Buddhist psychology, ego is seen as a kind of filter, a network through which energy is constantly being channelled and manipulated rather than being able to flow freely in unrestricted space. It is not a solid entity but a moment-to-moment process."
So it is an adaptive algorithm?
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tribesman said: Definition of ego (n) e·go[ gō ]
1-self-esteem:somebody's idea of his or her own importance or worth, usually of an appropriate level
2-inflated opinion of self:an exaggerated sense of self-importance and a feeling of superiority to other people
3-part of mind containing consciousness:in Freudian psychology, one of three main divisions of the mind, containing consciousness and memory and involved with control, planning, and conforming to reality Synonymspersonality, character, self, self-image, self-worth, self-esteem, individuality.
These are the three definitions that I get, but relating to the earlier quote that describes it as a filter; what is behind the filter?
The concept of the ego as a filter in Buddhism and Hinduism, as I understand it refers to the ego as being the mediator between the actual "self" and the world. The mind and personality being like a vehicle, the body being a part of that vehicle as well.
Where does this belief come from and why does anyone believe it? In my opinion it is an interpretation of OBEs, most people believe it without logical conditions - they simply believe whatever the supposedly wise guru tells them and conform their experiences to fit that picture mentally. From there it is even possible for one to have OBEs which are conditioned by the indoctrination, and that is why the belief persists after so long. People believe they have proof due to personal experiences, not bother to examine the situation critically.
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