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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18872990 - 09/21/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He listens to good music. Talking sense to a failing humanity on a biggish drug board on the internet isn't really the place to start though. Besides I think humanity is doing alright, we're just a little insane and it's not our fault. I think that's the game, to forget you are God and so produce a play.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
    #18873172 - 09/21/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think you're a masochist whose loving true self has long since been brutalised into submission by the indulgent self-inflicted suffering of the false self :thumbup:

Actually there's no way of knowing if any given action or attitude is selfish or selfless unless you know what we're all doing here. So far, no-one has convinced me that they do.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: viktor] * 1
    #18873202 - 09/21/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He is an Ice-o-lationist. :yesnod:


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: circastes]
    #18873287 - 09/21/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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circastes said:
Talking sense to a failing humanity on a biggish drug board on the internet isn't really the place to start though.




Who's trying to change the world? They're a fool whoever they are


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: teknix]
    #18873448 - 09/21/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It is possible, but not likely in my opinion considering you don't feel compassion, empathy, or love .




That's obviously not true.  I feel all of those things. Just not for self indulgent wimps. :haha:




:lol:

I thought you told me before you have never experienced love.




Like = love.  I just use different terms.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: viktor]
    #18873451 - 09/21/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I think you're a masochist whose loving true self has long since been brutalised into submission by the indulgent self-inflicted suffering of the false self :thumbup:







You're mean:hissyfit:


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
    #18874517 - 09/22/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I knew it's what you wanted  :bashful:


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #18874541 - 09/22/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have come here for eight years trying to talk sense to a failing humanity.  I've suffered greatly in having to listen to what most of you have been thinking.

What say you?




I think the sadness felt towards the prevailing ignorance and dishonesty which you experience by posting here is outweighed by the fact that posting here makes you feel special.

People like us decide at some point that we crave knowing the truth, and attempting to find this truth is so important to our ego that we will keep digging no matter how much pain we unearth.

We looked for answers, found them, and were horrified by what we saw.

When you accomplish this, you realize how few people care more about the honest truth of affairs rather than building a worldview to comfort themselves.

Thinking that you are part of the small minority that can actually recognize what is happening by sticking to reason makes ones feel more intelligent than most people.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18874650 - 09/22/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Books tell lots of things, but no, isn't it the ego that
glories in feeling important, needed, wise; isn't the ego
that takes pain in the antithesis of the above mentioned
traits?




Is it? Sounds like an illusion to me




What's an illusion; the ego, or the view that it is negative?


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Memories]
    #18874708 - 09/22/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I have come here for eight years trying to talk sense to a failing humanity.  I've suffered greatly in having to listen to what most of you have been thinking.

What say you?




I think the sadness felt towards the prevailing ignorance and dishonesty which you experience by posting here is outweighed by the fact that posting here makes you feel special.

People like us decide at some point that we crave knowing the truth, and attempting to find this truth is so important to our ego that we will keep digging no matter how much pain we unearth.

We looked for answers, found them, and were horrified by what we saw.

When you accomplish this, you realize how few people care more about the honest truth of affairs rather than building a worldview to comfort themselves.

Thinking that you are part of the small minority that can actually recognize what is happening by sticking to reason makes ones feel more intelligent than most people.





I think we have a winner... unfortunately. :lol:


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
    #18874714 - 09/22/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The conclusion from that appears to be that all desires, therefore all motivations, therefore all actions are egotistical.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: viktor]
    #18874741 - 09/22/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I tend to agree.  Those that claim selflessness usually have big ones that they pretend aren't there.  It's obvious to almost everyone but them. The only ones that go along are the ones that want to believe the same about themselves. I've made a point of pushing such peoples buttons here for many years to see if they really are selfless.  That's how I got such a big ignore list. :lol:  First they flame the fuck out of me in PM and then put me on ignore.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
    #18874744 - 09/22/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:
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Icelander said:
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teknix said:
It is possible, but not likely in my opinion considering you don't feel compassion, empathy, or love .




That's obviously not true.  I feel all of those things. Just not for self indulgent wimps. :haha:




:lol:

I thought you told me before you have never experienced love.




Like = love.  I just use different terms.




Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, like doesn't = love in real life, only to Psychopaths.

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Empathy and compassion are feelings that involve parts of love.

Nice try though.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: teknix]
    #18874749 - 09/22/13 05:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: teknix]
    #18874814 - 09/22/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Like I stated, My like is your love.  I like my dogs and give them tender care and go out of my way to make them happy by choice.  That's hardly psychopathic.

I really don't think you know much about the "real" world or about psychopathology.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Icelander]
    #18875315 - 09/22/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I really don't think you know much about selfless.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: teknix] * 1
    #18875444 - 09/22/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It doesn't exist imo.  You are a self.  It may be illusionary ultimately but you act in this reality on that illusion. Every thing you do is ultimately to benefit yourself in some way or should I say your views on that self.  If I sacrifice myself for another it's because I value that perspective of what is best or good so highly that it supersedes any other needs or desires I have for myself.  If I didn't feel that way I would not make that sacrifice.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: tribesman]
    #18875691 - 09/22/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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tribesman said:
Books tell lots of things, but no, isn't it the ego that
glories in feeling important, needed, wise; isn't the ego
that takes pain in the antithesis of the above mentioned
traits?




Is it? Sounds like an illusion to me




What's an illusion; the ego, or the view that it is negative?




The idea that the ego is negative, there is no proof that the ego is bad - it is a blind assumption passed down from the Inquisitors of the world.


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18875693 - 09/22/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Indeedy:thumbup:


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Re: Maybe I have been selfless all this time. [Re: teknix]
    #18875699 - 09/22/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, like doesn't = love in real life, only to Psychopaths.




And there is the naked truth, the argument you're actually trying to make. A personalism directed against someone who holds different views on "love" than you, the idea that anyone could think differently on the subject threatens the validity of your view so you resort to demonizing them.


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