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Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival?
    #18871452 - 09/21/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hey everyone, got a curious thought/question for you all.  I'm looking at getting either an axe or a hatchet.  Both are quite useful expecially when camping.  Now there are downsides and upsides to both.  An axe you get more swing leverage and such from and can cut deeper, hatchets are lighter weight and can be carried up trees to cut limbs etc.

Now, here's the question, what if you throw in a mallet with the hatchet and essentially use the hatchet as a wedge with a handle?  You can smack the back end of the hatchet with the mallet and split wood that way.  Would this be a sufficient replacement for an axe?  I mean I wouldn't mind having a sledge and a wedge instead of an axe if weight's not an issue...

Just curious as to what you guys all think about the combination of a hatchet and a mallet for camping/survival instead of an axe?


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: Maverick]
    #18871459 - 09/21/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If we're talking backwoods camping, just a hatchet will do me fine.  You can always find a log to hit the back of the hatchet to replace the mallet.  It's not often you need to do that anyway just cutting up firewood.

Weight is an issue when you're travelling several km.  If you want to cut big logs you can bring one of those handheld chains that you unfold and saw through.  They kick ass and fit in a spot about 15cmx5cm.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
    #18871465 - 09/21/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I was just thinking a small handheld mallet fits easily in my truck under a seat or in the side of the backpack.  Figured it'd be more of a campsite and not backpacking deal.  I just think swinging an axe around a campsite (especially if alcohol and such is involved) can be a little risky, and having something like a mini wedge/sledge situation would be safer too hehe.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: Midnight_Toker] * 2
    #18871474 - 09/21/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fresh wood sucks for fires, there is usually plenty of broken branches, sticks, and brush to start a fire.  I would toss the hatchet and bring a bong.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: fapjack] * 1
    #18871499 - 09/21/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: dark3st]
    #18871550 - 09/21/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you are camping where you park your vehicle I'd bring a axe. Sure a hatchet will do the job for bigger pieces of wood, but a axe will make things go MUCH faster, especially if you want a big fire.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: fapjack]
    #18871558 - 09/21/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Fresh wood sucks for fires, there is usually plenty of broken branches, sticks, and brush to start a fire.  I would toss the hatchet and bring a bong.





I'm talking the dead limbs that are usually present on pine trees the first few bows, those things they call widow-makers (rightly so, get hit by a falling one and you're probably going to die).  I never cut living wood for fire.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: Maverick]
    #18871610 - 09/21/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, hatchet man. As long as you don't hit a toe way out in Gods country you'll have a good time..m'kay.

  I love camping so much. Love the woods. Especially remote lakes where you're alone.
I always bring minimum but include milk & potatoes for the fish chowder tradition I have going.

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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #24141078 - 03/06/17 12:06 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I'm actually going to resurrect this post.  I recently bought a small hatchet and have been using my mallet with it- it's Amazing for cutting up wood.  The hatchet has a one piece handle/blade so I'm not risking cracking the head like I would be with my husqvarna axe with its wooden handle and hole in the head for the wood to go through...


All in all, it's more compact, though it is a couple pounds heavier.  It wouldn't be ideal for backpacking necessarily unless you are in an area you need a mallot, say high desert where trying to smash things into the ground with a rock all the time really isn't ideal (precision hits on tent spikes and such to save fingers).


It's just very precise for chopping wood with the grain.  splitting is super easy.

A wedge and a sledgehammer would be optimal for splitting anything large, but this works well at the campsite with small wood.


I've mostly used it so far for splitting wood for my smoker, this is all seasoned.  I haven't tried it out with wet wood yet, but I'll give it a shot the next overland trip I do, hopefully this coming weekend.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
    #24141159 - 03/06/17 12:44 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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If we're talking backwoods camping, just a hatchet will do me fine.  You can always find a log to hit the back of the hatchet to replace the mallet.  It's not often you need to do that anyway just cutting up firewood.

Weight is an issue when you're travelling several km.  If you want to cut big logs you can bring one of those handheld chains that you unfold and saw through.  They kick ass and fit in a spot about 15cmx5cm.




You could also get a folding Sven saw



Very sturdy and useful device, I own the 21" version and it can saw right through a massive oak log with no problem at all, the 15" version is more portable but probably doesn't have quite as much sawing power

I also own a Gransfors Bruk Small Forest Axe and it's a fucking gorgeous piece, they're all hand-forged in Sweden by master blacksmiths and come with a 20-year guarantee, so if something's wrong with your axe you can send it back to the company and have it replaced (as long as you take proper care of it and the problem wasn't caused by mis-using the axe)



It's designed for chopping against the grain, felling small trees and limbing small logs so it's essentially perfect for collecting small amounts of wood for campfires.. It works for splitting small logs as well but it wasn't designed for that purpose

It's perfectly balanced, big enough to have a significant amount of chopping power but small enough to easily fit in with the rest of your camping gear

The main downside is that they're verrrrry expensive, I paid $170 for mine but they're well-worth the price considering how much work goes into making just one of them.. I haven't really put mine to heavy use yet but I know that when I do it will serve me well.. if I ever have children I will pass this axe down to them once the time comes that I no longer need it


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: Maverick]
    #24141234 - 03/06/17 01:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey everyone, got a curious thought/question for you all.  I'm looking at getting either an axe or a hatchet.  Both are quite useful expecially when camping.  Now there are downsides and upsides to both.  An axe you get more swing leverage and such from and can cut deeper, hatchets are lighter weight and can be carried up trees to cut limbs etc.

Now, here's the question, what if you throw in a mallet with the hatchet and essentially use the hatchet as a wedge with a handle?  You can smack the back end of the hatchet with the mallet and split wood that way.  Would this be a sufficient replacement for an axe?  I mean I wouldn't mind having a sledge and a wedge instead of an axe if weight's not an issue...

Just curious as to what you guys all think about the combination of a hatchet and a mallet for camping/survival instead of an axe?



If you are going to be using the mallet often, it is worth it, otherwise, an axe would be better IMHO.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #24141253 - 03/06/17 01:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

$170 for 20 years of good use sounds worth it to me. If you camp for a weekend once or twice a year you could probably make do with a $25 hatchet and a saw. Shit probably even a multi-tool hatchet + saw for 20 more.

But I've learned the hard way that if you're going to want to actually use something and have it be reliable it NEVER pays to go cheap.


Right now I have a little cobalt wood handle hatchet and a finger saw. Generally do camping out of my car (as in set up camp near my car) and have room to bring a bundle of wood. But I imagine if you're backpacking in a warm climate where there isn't need for a big warm fire or trees and shrubs don't grow real big a hatchet and quality finger saw would work just fine. In some places I'd probably prefer a machete over the hatchet tho.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24141258 - 03/06/17 01:34 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

California.  When camping I tend to like using the mallet for various things.  It seems to come in use more often than I would have expected.  Don't think I'd take it backpacking though.  I've got a decent trail rig so weight isn't much of a huge deal- always have a shovel or two on me, and I should start carrying a pickaxe...

Also I've got a 22" or 24" (can't remember which) Husqvarna axe similar to the one pictured by OhMrJohnson.  Great axe, but you aren't supposed to (and really shouldn't) ever hit the back of the head of them, whereas the single-forged hatchet with handle (one of the estwing ones) is decent for using as a little wedge, plus it's good for areas where the 24" won't fit (it's a 14").


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: Maverick]
    #24141278 - 03/06/17 01:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Good deal.  Carry whatever is handy to you. 
I take two shovels when non-backpack camping. 
Pickaxes and mattocks are handy too.  The simplest things are often handy when camping.


Do you have any camping planned for this Spring/Summer yet?


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: Maverick]
    #24141294 - 03/06/17 01:47 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I've seen some ridiculous multi-tools on Amazon. "shovel + saw + axe + pickaxe + bottle opener + fire striker + hammer + knife + climbing pick"
:lol: I'm pretty sure if you used that for half of those things it'd break and cut your fingers off.

Another thing I've learned: keep it simple, stupid.


I can definitely see how a handheld mallet would be useful. I have completely crushed my thumb with a mull head hatchet trying to put a tent peg in rocky ground.
Needless to say that hand was nearly useless for the rest of that camping trip.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24141325 - 03/06/17 01:56 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Crush isn't the right word. That shit got smashed. Drove the thumbnail into the thumb and ended up having to pull the thumbnail off a few days later.


Been a wee bit more careful using tools like that as I've gotten older.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: California]
    #24141350 - 03/06/17 02:04 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Good deal.  Carry whatever is handy to you. 
I take two shovels when non-backpack camping. 
Pickaxes and mattocks are handy too.  The simplest things are often handy when camping.


Do you have any camping planned for this Spring/Summer yet?





I just finished upgrading my rig- next weekend gf and I want to go camping out by the coast, but we haven't really made any big camping plans Yet. 


Here's my rig so far (from beginning to current). 



Up next I need rock sliders and limb risers (wires from bumper to roof to keep limbs from breaking windshield) as well as lights.  I Need a lightbar.  And a winch.


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24141357 - 03/06/17 02:08 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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It shows you in detail how to do sooo many things.. It shows you how to make your own bush rope, build huts out of any material, build camp chairs, tables and woodsheds, start fires in any weather condition, make all kinds of snares and traps, how to smoke meat and various other ways to cook food, how to find water, what plants are safe to eat and what plants aren't, how to map out any territory and navigate by the stars and constellations, etc.

It's just fucking stuffed with all sorts of useful information.. it was originally military notes written in the 1940s for a SAR team so it's somewhat archaic, but the sheer amount of information it contains always boggles my mind


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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #24141387 - 03/06/17 02:16 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I always bring wood with me when I go overland camping.  The thing about where I go overlanding is, I usually find a road no one's been on in 5-10 years and I drive up it until it's impossible to go further.  If other vehicles can easily follow me to the end I'll turn around and find a harder to get to spot.  If I have to pull fallen trees out of the way and cut down some undergrowth then I'm on the right track. 




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Re: Axe vs Hatchet+Mallet for camping and survival? [Re: Maverick]
    #24141444 - 03/06/17 02:38 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Hatchet all the way for serious camping. A full sized axe is too much weight and bulk to carry around when a hatchet will do for all activities you'd realistically need to engage in (collecting wood for fires, cutting off medium branches for various improvised things, etc.).

Make sure you get a hatchet that is metal all the way through including the base. No wooden handles. The handle should be metal.


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