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Barely any mycelium after a month
    #18871145 - 09/21/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

After a month I've barely got any mycelium growing. Never had this problem before. These kits I've bought in the past always show pins in about 10 days. I only see some mycelium around the edges. What can cause this? Bad spores? Not inoculated properly? Can I order a syringe and try to salvage it by inoculating again? I just read that you really don't want to inoculate a second time. It's $75 in the trash if I can't salvage it. I'm willing to risk another $10-$20 on a syringe.



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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
    #18871156 - 09/21/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Is that dry verm on the top? If so you should try to fruit the bitch asap.

It could be contaminated or the substrate may be lacking in a few ways. Either way, you were silly enough to buy a grow kit.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871193 - 09/21/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Is that dry verm on the top? If so you should try to fruit the bitch asap.

It could be contaminated or the substrate may be lacking in a few ways. Either way, you were silly enough to buy a grow kit.
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What do you mean "try to fruit the bitch asap"? It's not dry. It's been wet for weeks and that's all that's grown from it. I don't want a big grow operation because even with these kits I've bought in the past, they've put out more shrooms than I can consume before they've lost potency. I have my reasons for going this route and would just like help with what I've got.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
    #18871206 - 09/21/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Are you oblivious to advice or is this not in your kit guide?

Fruit it. What you do after the substrate is fully colonized. This is why I don't like grow kits. Losing the do it yourself attitude and you're left with less to expand your experienced knowledge on.

Big grow operation?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871244 - 09/21/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Did he just say he couldn't eat them before they lost potency?

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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
    #18871248 - 09/21/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think he means flush potency.

Or I hope that's what he means.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871260 - 09/21/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I thought those kits come fully colonized and ready to be fruited? If that's the case...then it can't be bad spores, because the spores have already been germinated and the sub colonized... It looks to me like your fruiting conditions are not correct... You need to let it dry out to trigger pinning...Evaporation off the surface is the main trigger of pin formation...


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871264 - 09/21/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How are your sarcastic gifs supposed to help? They're not funny and they don't help in the slightest bit. If you can't put your hate of grow kits aside then move along and let somebody else help. It's discouraging responses like yours that make a person not want to move past grow kits and try a more involved grow. The bag the kits come with are the fruiting chamber. That's the thing. I've been trying to fruit it for weeks and nothing has grown other than a little mycelium.



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Are you oblivious to advice or is this not in your kit guide?

Fruit it. What you do after the substrate is fully colonized. This is why I don't like grow kits. Losing the do it yourself attitude and you're left with less to expand your experienced knowledge on.

Big grow operation?
:thataintright:




Sorry, I was responding to this post before I read the others. Looks like one person is willing to help. The instructions with these kits don't say to open the bag but I did to let some air in and let it dry a little but still nothing.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871268 - 09/21/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do not buy a syringe.  It will be more money wasted.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
    #18871272 - 09/21/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Is that bag supposed to be the fruiting chamber? If so, thats why its not fruiting. It needs more fresh air exchange


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Amelia Rose]
    #18871294 - 09/21/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Is that bag supposed to be the fruiting chamber? If so, thats why its not fruiting. It needs more fresh air exchange




Yeah...you have arial mycelium due to high RH and low FAE... Again.. I asked you if it comes fully colonized cause I'm trying to help you....don't get butthurt over my gifs...


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
    #18871299 - 09/21/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I thought those kits come fully colonized and ready to be fruited?




That would be illegal.

And dude, the GIFs are funny. We're obviously dim about your situation. Just wait it out. Try to improve the air exchange. Evaporation is a pin trigger after all.

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Yeah...you have arial mycelium due to high RH and low FAE...




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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871308 - 09/21/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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I thought those kits come fully colonized and ready to be fruited?




That would be illegal.

And dude, the GIFs are funny. We're obviously dim about your situation. Just wait it out. Try to improve the air exchange. Evaporation is a pin trigger after all.

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Yeah...you have arial mycelium due to high RH and low FAE...




:whathesaid:





Not in all countries...they do sell them fully colonized in certain places.... I've seen them where you just dunk them for 12 hours and fruit them. :shrug: Thought maybe he was in one of those places because after all, selling the spores with a grow kit is illegal too....they are for microscopy research only...didn't notice his location in PA at first.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
    #18871333 - 09/21/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The reason why you're not seeing the top layer colonize is because it shouldn't be colonizing. Dry vermiculite acts as a nutritionless filter to stop contams from reaching the nutritious substrate that the myc is trying to take over. Same applies with PF cakes and basic casing. Use the search function for more info.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
    #18871355 - 09/21/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Did he just say he couldn't eat them before they lost potency?




Never mind that. You both misunderstood what I said.

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Yeah...you have arial mycelium due to high RH and low FAE... Again.. I asked you if it comes fully colonized cause I'm trying to help you....don't get butthurt over my gifs...




I know, you were the one person I meant was trying to help. I meant Icesyn's gifs. And he said he's "dim about the situation" so I think it's best for somebody that knows a little bit about these growkits to help instead.

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Not in all countries...they do sell them fully colonized in certain places.... I've seen them where you just dunk them for 12 hours and fruit them. :shrug: Thought maybe he was in one of those places because after all, selling the spores with a grow kit is illegal too....they are for microscopy research only...didn't notice his location in PA at first.




Yes, I'm in the U.S. where it's illegal. That's why I don't want to be producing a lot. There are some vendors that will ship anywhere. You're right about dunking for about 12 hours. It's actually 12-24 hours. You're just supposed to fill the box to the top with water, put the lid on, let it sit overnight for at least 12 hours but not more than 24, take the lid off, drain it out as good as possible, then put it in the bag, fold the top of the bag down about three times, put paper clips on it and then wait. That's it.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
    #18871363 - 09/21/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I'm totally not trying to help...
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I know so much more than you about mycology. Not my fault you're in it for the fruit and not the knowledge.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
    #18871381 - 09/21/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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kitkit69 said:You're just supposed to fill the box to the top with water, put the lid on, let it sit overnight for at least 12 hours but not more than 24, take the lid off, drain it out as good as possible, then put it in the bag, fold the top of the bag down about three times, put paper clips on it and then wait. That's it.




Good luck working on better air exchange when you're being told to clip it and wait. Micropore filters do not help at all in this case. Grow kits are flawed so when you come here asking for help, good luck finding anything you can relate to your grow kit guide.

To sum everything up, just open the bag and fan it a few times a day. Get some fresh air in there.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871393 - 09/21/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah I'm totally not trying to help...
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I know so much more than you about mycology. Not my fault you're in it for the fruit and not the knowledge.





Your help is wrong, having fruits is illegal! He don't want no illegal grow in his apt :kingcrankey:

but seriously op, build a fruiting chamber, either sgfc or make a mini-dub-tub.
A filter patch bag is not a fruiting chamber, even though the kit-vendors try to claim so.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871398 - 09/21/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Good luck working on better air exchange when you're being told to clip it and wait. Micropore filters do not help at all in this case. Grow kits are flawed so when you come here asking for help, good luck finding anything you can relate to your grow kit guide.

To sum everything up, just open the bag and fan it a few times a day. Get some fresh air in there.




I appreciate ANY help ANYBODY is willing to give because I don't know much and I'm trying to get a basic idea before I get more invloved but using gifs to try and make me feel like an idiot doesn't help at all. I did try leaving the top of the bag open for a few days to get air in there and it still did nothing.


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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
    #18871408 - 09/21/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

gifs are funny, most of them are used ironic.
read everything over again and you'll see that its actually funny
where your logic fails.

You ask why there are no growth, we tell you to fruit it, and you frown because you don't want a "big grow op".

It's funny dude! :shrug:


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