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Barely any mycelium after a month
#18871145 - 09/21/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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After a month I've barely got any mycelium growing. Never had this problem before. These kits I've bought in the past always show pins in about 10 days. I only see some mycelium around the edges. What can cause this? Bad spores? Not inoculated properly? Can I order a syringe and try to salvage it by inoculating again? I just read that you really don't want to inoculate a second time. It's $75 in the trash if I can't salvage it. I'm willing to risk another $10-$20 on a syringe.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18871156 - 09/21/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is that dry verm on the top? If so you should try to fruit the bitch asap.
It could be contaminated or the substrate may be lacking in a few ways. Either way, you were silly enough to buy a grow kit.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18871193 - 09/21/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icesyn said: Is that dry verm on the top? If so you should try to fruit the bitch asap.
It could be contaminated or the substrate may be lacking in a few ways. Either way, you were silly enough to buy a grow kit. 
What do you mean "try to fruit the bitch asap"? It's not dry. It's been wet for weeks and that's all that's grown from it. I don't want a big grow operation because even with these kits I've bought in the past, they've put out more shrooms than I can consume before they've lost potency. I have my reasons for going this route and would just like help with what I've got.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18871206 - 09/21/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you oblivious to advice or is this not in your kit guide?
Fruit it. What you do after the substrate is fully colonized. This is why I don't like grow kits. Losing the do it yourself attitude and you're left with less to expand your experienced knowledge on.
Big grow operation?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18871244 - 09/21/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did he just say he couldn't eat them before they lost potency?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#18871248 - 09/21/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think he means flush potency.
Or I hope that's what he means.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18871260 - 09/21/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought those kits come fully colonized and ready to be fruited? If that's the case...then it can't be bad spores, because the spores have already been germinated and the sub colonized... It looks to me like your fruiting conditions are not correct... You need to let it dry out to trigger pinning...Evaporation off the surface is the main trigger of pin formation...
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18871264 - 09/21/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How are your sarcastic gifs supposed to help? They're not funny and they don't help in the slightest bit. If you can't put your hate of grow kits aside then move along and let somebody else help. It's discouraging responses like yours that make a person not want to move past grow kits and try a more involved grow. The bag the kits come with are the fruiting chamber. That's the thing. I've been trying to fruit it for weeks and nothing has grown other than a little mycelium.

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Icesyn said: Are you oblivious to advice or is this not in your kit guide?
Fruit it. What you do after the substrate is fully colonized. This is why I don't like grow kits. Losing the do it yourself attitude and you're left with less to expand your experienced knowledge on.
Big grow operation?

Sorry, I was responding to this post before I read the others. Looks like one person is willing to help. The instructions with these kits don't say to open the bag but I did to let some air in and let it dry a little but still nothing.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18871268 - 09/21/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do not buy a syringe. It will be more money wasted.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18871272 - 09/21/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is that bag supposed to be the fruiting chamber? If so, thats why its not fruiting. It needs more fresh air exchange
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Amelia Rose]
#18871294 - 09/21/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Amelia Rose said: Is that bag supposed to be the fruiting chamber? If so, thats why its not fruiting. It needs more fresh air exchange
Yeah...you have arial mycelium due to high RH and low FAE... Again.. I asked you if it comes fully colonized cause I'm trying to help you....don't get butthurt over my gifs...
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#18871299 - 09/21/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: I thought those kits come fully colonized and ready to be fruited?
That would be illegal.
And dude, the GIFs are funny. We're obviously dim about your situation. Just wait it out. Try to improve the air exchange. Evaporation is a pin trigger after all.
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Yeah...you have arial mycelium due to high RH and low FAE...

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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18871308 - 09/21/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: I thought those kits come fully colonized and ready to be fruited?
That would be illegal.
And dude, the GIFs are funny. We're obviously dim about your situation. Just wait it out. Try to improve the air exchange. Evaporation is a pin trigger after all.
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Yeah...you have arial mycelium due to high RH and low FAE...

Not in all countries...they do sell them fully colonized in certain places.... I've seen them where you just dunk them for 12 hours and fruit them. Thought maybe he was in one of those places because after all, selling the spores with a grow kit is illegal too....they are for microscopy research only...didn't notice his location in PA at first.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#18871333 - 09/21/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The reason why you're not seeing the top layer colonize is because it shouldn't be colonizing. Dry vermiculite acts as a nutritionless filter to stop contams from reaching the nutritious substrate that the myc is trying to take over. Same applies with PF cakes and basic casing. Use the search function for more info.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#18871355 - 09/21/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: Did he just say he couldn't eat them before they lost potency?
Never mind that. You both misunderstood what I said.
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Yeah...you have arial mycelium due to high RH and low FAE... Again.. I asked you if it comes fully colonized cause I'm trying to help you....don't get butthurt over my gifs...
I know, you were the one person I meant was trying to help. I meant Icesyn's gifs. And he said he's "dim about the situation" so I think it's best for somebody that knows a little bit about these growkits to help instead.
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Not in all countries...they do sell them fully colonized in certain places.... I've seen them where you just dunk them for 12 hours and fruit them. Thought maybe he was in one of those places because after all, selling the spores with a grow kit is illegal too....they are for microscopy research only...didn't notice his location in PA at first.
Yes, I'm in the U.S. where it's illegal. That's why I don't want to be producing a lot. There are some vendors that will ship anywhere. You're right about dunking for about 12 hours. It's actually 12-24 hours. You're just supposed to fill the box to the top with water, put the lid on, let it sit overnight for at least 12 hours but not more than 24, take the lid off, drain it out as good as possible, then put it in the bag, fold the top of the bag down about three times, put paper clips on it and then wait. That's it.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18871363 - 09/21/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm totally not trying to help...

I know so much more than you about mycology. Not my fault you're in it for the fruit and not the knowledge.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18871381 - 09/21/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kitkit69 said:You're just supposed to fill the box to the top with water, put the lid on, let it sit overnight for at least 12 hours but not more than 24, take the lid off, drain it out as good as possible, then put it in the bag, fold the top of the bag down about three times, put paper clips on it and then wait. That's it.
Good luck working on better air exchange when you're being told to clip it and wait. Micropore filters do not help at all in this case. Grow kits are flawed so when you come here asking for help, good luck finding anything you can relate to your grow kit guide.
To sum everything up, just open the bag and fan it a few times a day. Get some fresh air in there.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18871393 - 09/21/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icesyn said: Yeah I'm totally not trying to help...

I know so much more than you about mycology. Not my fault you're in it for the fruit and not the knowledge.
Your help is wrong, having fruits is illegal! He don't want no illegal grow in his apt 
but seriously op, build a fruiting chamber, either sgfc or make a mini-dub-tub. A filter patch bag is not a fruiting chamber, even though the kit-vendors try to claim so.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18871398 - 09/21/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good luck working on better air exchange when you're being told to clip it and wait. Micropore filters do not help at all in this case. Grow kits are flawed so when you come here asking for help, good luck finding anything you can relate to your grow kit guide.
To sum everything up, just open the bag and fan it a few times a day. Get some fresh air in there.
I appreciate ANY help ANYBODY is willing to give because I don't know much and I'm trying to get a basic idea before I get more invloved but using gifs to try and make me feel like an idiot doesn't help at all. I did try leaving the top of the bag open for a few days to get air in there and it still did nothing.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18871408 - 09/21/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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gifs are funny, most of them are used ironic. read everything over again and you'll see that its actually funny where your logic fails.
You ask why there are no growth, we tell you to fruit it, and you frown because you don't want a "big grow op".
It's funny dude!
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18871412 - 09/21/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kitkit69 said: I did try leaving the top of the bag open for a few days to get air in there and it still did nothing.
Ruining the relative humidity and also drying out your grow. Possible lost cause.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18871428 - 09/21/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know nothing about grow kits, but if it didnt do anything since a month there must be something wrong with that thing and the mycelium apparently dosn´t like it in there. If you really want to save it, crumble it, mix it with about the same volume of sterilised hay from the pet shop (fractioned heating will do it if no pressure cooker is available) and put it into a proper fruiting chamber. A bucket cleaned out with bleach and covered with some moist rags will work.
But perhaps its not even a psilocybe but some other kind of mushroom or white mold eating up your mycelium?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18871456 - 09/21/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kitkit69 said: I did try leaving the top of the bag open for a few days to get air in there and it still did nothing.
Ruining the relative humidity and also drying out your grow. Possible lost cause.
You're right. I either need to give up or go all in and get more involved. Maybe something is trying to tell me it's just not meant to be right now.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18871471 - 09/21/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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squeeze all the air out of the bag (letting it go through that "filter", so it should be slow. Then pick the back up by the top and/or pull the sides apart so that it pulls in air through that same "filter". Do that at LEAST 2x a day. If you see the verm on the top drying out, get a spray bottle (one that mists) and open the bag to spray it. Like others have said, it needs lots of fresh air, but keeping humidity high. Knowing that info, think of a way to perform those two steps. good luck
and it is strange to use kits to most people b/c the amount of money you paid for the kit would get you close to set up to do your own grow 1 or 2 times a year, for many years down the road, self sufficiency is a good thing You did order an illegal kit that you didn't have to do
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: j_db69]
#18871563 - 09/21/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If all you had to do was dunk and fruit then it came fully colonized....
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#18871793 - 09/21/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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j_db69 said: and it is strange to use kits to most people b/c the amount of money you paid for the kit would get you close to set up to do your own grow 1 or 2 times a year, for many years down the road, self sufficiency is a good thing You did order an illegal kit that you didn't have to do 
Thanks for the suggestions and I'll try that. What I meant by big grow operation was anything that puts out ounces or pounds at a time. I don't want pounds or ounces sitting in my freezer. These kits were putting out about 10-20 grams of dry shrooms a week for me and I would only eat around 7 grams to trip once about every 1-3 weeks. I would build up an ounce in the freezer and then by the time I go to eat them a month or two later their potency would be very low or completely gone. Maybe I dried and stored them wrong but I did use an airtight glass jar and kept them in the freezer. I care more about having large amounts stored than the illegality of growkits. I could tell once that the box had been opened by customs but they just taped it back up with duct tape and I still got it. It might have been the USPS that held it up because the tracking did show it passed through customs and then it took a month to get to me after that. I don't think they'd do anything but confiscate it if they wanted to unless they saw actual shrooms growing. And they were probably looking for weed since it came from the Netherlands.
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Nakor420 said: If all you had to do was dunk and fruit then it came fully colonized....
I know they come fully colonized. This could be where I went wrong though. They were out of stock and didn't ship for a few weeks after I ordered. The kit looked very fresh when I received it. I'm guessing their stock usually sits around for a little bit before they ship them out so they have some time to colonize before they end up in anybody's hands. Since they had backorders to fill they shipped them out as soon as they were made. So I "dunked" it like you said while it didn't have enough time to colonize. Does this sound possible?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18871966 - 09/21/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I smell a raid
Start from scratch. Ditch the vendor.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18872241 - 09/21/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, with the proper supplies, you could forget about ordering ANYTHING online, and especially not through customs. Buy the few things you need at a store and crank up a little pressure cooker once or twice a year on some BRF cakes. They will make you the few grams/ounces that you want. That way, at any time other than growing, there is nothing illegal... unless spores are illegal in your state
I think you are ok, but after this little run I would clean up your house, and expose yourself as little as possible to customs, IMO.
there is a lot of info out there and it does appear "daunting" but once you understand the steps, you can do it anyway that fits you best, plus you get to learn things
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18872266 - 09/21/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm gonna put the lid on the plastic box then put it in the oven at 450°F for an hour or two so it gets good and dried and sterilized at the same time. Then I'll put it in the dish washing machine so it gets nice and "dunked" then put it in the bag. Should see pins in a few days after that.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18872360 - 09/21/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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you want the humidity to be above 90% inside the bag, and then give it as much fresh air as you can while maintaining the humidity, that is all you can do at this point. Unless it is dried out, then you can dunk it. You are past the steps for sterilization, which would KILL the mushrooms.
Really man, fresh air and humidity, that's it. Don't be scared to open the bag and spray a fine mist over it after fanning it. Let it breathe and give it time...
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18872410 - 09/21/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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did I understand right that you want to put the mycelium into the oven at 450°F and then into the dish washing machine?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18872535 - 09/21/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kitkit69 said: I'm gonna put the lid on the plastic box then put it in the oven at 450°F for an hour or two so it gets good and dried and sterilized at the same time. Then I'll put it in the dish washing machine so it gets nice and "dunked" then put it in the bag. Should see pins in a few days after that.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#18875936 - 09/22/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rauhfasertapete said: did I understand right that you want to put the mycelium into the oven at 450°F and then into the dish washing machine?
I was kidding.
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j_db69 said: you want the humidity to be above 90% inside the bag, and then give it as much fresh air as you can while maintaining the humidity, that is all you can do at this point. Unless it is dried out, then you can dunk it. You are past the steps for sterilization, which would KILL the mushrooms.
Really man, fresh air and humidity, that's it. Don't be scared to open the bag and spray a fine mist over it after fanning it. Let it breathe and give it time...
Thanks! I'm going to do exactly that. I believe it is very salvageable. Today I see a pin poking around the side of the vermiculite and a very small one close to it. I need to mention this too. The sides of the plastic container are very tight like the mycelium is pushing against it. I think there's just something keeping the mycelium from breaking through the verm. Maybe when I first dunked it and put the lid on to let it sit overnight I packed down the verm too tight. There was barely any room for water when I dunked it. Is there anything I can do to loosen up the verm like rake it a bit with a fork or anything else you would suggest I do at this point?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18876016 - 09/22/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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In this case, I would probably, very gently, brush aside some of the verm layer, depending on how deep it is, so that ample O2 can get to the colonized layer. Also, you are keeping it in a tent/dome to maintain humidity right? Don't let it drop but give it enough fresh air...
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: j_db69]
#18876057 - 09/22/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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j_db69 said: In this case, I would probably, very gently, brush aside some of the verm layer, depending on how deep it is, so that ample O2 can get to the colonized layer. Also, you are keeping it in a tent/dome to maintain humidity right? Don't let it drop but give it enough fresh air...
It looks like there's about a one inch layer of verm. I used a fork to loosen it up a bit. I put it back in the bag but as the instructions say to do, I put some water in the bottom of the bag to keep humidity and cut two quarter size holes in each side of the bag for air flow.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
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Cool 
now the hard part.... waiting
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: j_db69]
#18895588 - 09/26/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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After 4 days there's still only shrooms coming up from the sides. They seem to be growing very slowly too.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18895879 - 09/26/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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just let them grow. After this flush, dunk if they need it, otherwise just give them more air exchanges and the humidity high, they will keep flushing until they use up the nutrients. unless it was spent...
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: j_db69]
#18897668 - 09/27/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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poor suffocating shrooms! give 'em a real FC!
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: spacechildo]
#18899182 - 09/27/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have no car so it would be hard to get supplies, especially something kinda big like that. Know of something on amazon I could order?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18899316 - 09/27/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah...Amazon sells rubbermade totes....order a clear plastic one and build a shot gun fruiting chamber like YESTERDAY. In fact you can get everything you need on Amazon. I have Amazon Prime so I don't even pay shipping.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18899346 - 09/27/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd go buy a plastic box and start drilling holes as soon as possible. And some perlite. I walked across my town with one huge box (55L) in each arm. Got a few stares, but certainly didn't need a car 
Or you could find a smaller box you might have laying around your house and make a dub-tub. You're screwing yourself over by growing in a plastic bag.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: spacechildo]
#18899483 - 09/27/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can guess what people here will say about this but I'd like to hear it anyway. It's $99 with $25 for shipping so $124 total. Sold by a marketplace seller so not eligible for Prime. I'm just posting a pic of it because I don't think they're a sponsored vendor. I'm thinking people will say "Too expensive. You can get all the supplies cheaper." "You still won't learn anything."
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18899748 - 09/27/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kitkit69 said: I can guess what people here will say about this but I'd like to hear it anyway. It's $99 with $25 for shipping so $124 total. Sold by a marketplace seller so not eligible for Prime. I'm just posting a pic of it because I don't think they're a sponsored vendor. I'm thinking people will say "Too expensive. You can get all the supplies cheaper." "You still won't learn anything."

Exactly!
Kits come with items like air pumps, which are 100% totally unnecessary.
Getting the supplies together to set up a PF cake grow is cheap comparatively. Getting the correct jars is the issue, but aside from that the remaining needs are satisfied by going to a health food store for Brown rice flower, and a hardware store for the vermiculite and perlite. You will spend much less, and get much more.....and something that is tailored by yourself to grow a specific fungi.
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Well for now I'm having trouble finding a clear plastic tote with a clear lid. Checked amazon, walmart and ebay. A lot have white lids. I'm thinking clear would be better? I can walk up to walmart and big-lots tomorrow but I'm thinking they're going to have the same I'm finding online and maybe just colored totes.
Edit: NVM Found what looks like will be perfect on the rubbermaid site and found it on amazon. I'm thinking the 95 quart one will be big enough withroom to work. http://www.rubbermaid.com/Category/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatName=Storage&SubcatId=CleverStore&Prod_ID=RP091403
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18899827 - 09/27/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What was all that crap you were gonna spend 100$ on? Clearly not worth it for a tote, 6 jars and some gloves..
I don't live in the us of a, but it seems most people here get totes and stuff from walmart and some of those other big chain stores..
I find it much easier to find stuff in stores rather than online, but I also have to pay crazy shipping prizes.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: spacechildo]
#18901853 - 09/28/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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First...that kit is SO bad....wrong jars, horrible filter patch, clay balls instead of perlite, unnecessary electronic contraptions....

You can use a non clear lid...cut out the middle of the lid and tape plastic wrap over the hole...It doesn't have to be pretty....just has to work....like this one...same thing...clear tote with a white lid... I fixed it up...

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st?keywords=plastic+tote&qid=1380377465&rh=n%3A1055398%2Ck%3Aplastic+tote&sort=price
Go look at this page on Amazon...sort Home and Kitchen - price low to high
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#18949172 - 10/08/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I finally got a tote yesterday. Had to order it. I just want to make sure, you drill holes on all 6 sides? Even the bottom? The pieces of perlite will be big enough that they won't fall out the bottom? I did get a bag of perlite too.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
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No holes on the bottom.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18950049 - 10/08/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kitkit69 said: I just want to make sure, you drill holes on all 6 sides? Even the bottom? The pieces of perlite will be big enough that they won't fall out the bottom? I did get a bag of perlite too.
Yes, all 6 sides, even the bottom.
No the perlite is not going to fall thru the holes.
1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: PussyFart]
#18950205 - 10/08/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks, it's done.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18950370 - 10/08/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks good?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
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Everything looks good except for the substrate touching the perlite.
You want it on a coaster of some sort...foil or something....not directly on the perlite.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18950570 - 10/08/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, done. Had to use foil. Don't have coasters.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
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I can't tell but how many inches of perlite do you have? Also is your substrate fully colonized?
And, remember when you're misting to also mist the perlite depending on how wet/dry it is.
Also you may want just a little more elevation, especially if it's in a corner (can't tell by pic though).
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: jackalope9517]
#18951469 - 10/08/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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jackalope9517 said: I can't tell but how many inches of perlite do you have? Also is your substrate fully colonized?
3 inches of perlite. Is it supposed to be 4? Yes, it's fully colonized. It was from one of those pre put together growkits that wasn't working right. There were only a few shrooms growing from the sides. The vermiculite seemed to be packed too tight. But even after I removed some, the top covered over with mycelium but still no pins. Only a couple from the sides. I'm hoping if they're only going to grow from the sides this will give more room and more than just a couple will grow at a time. I won't be buying kits any more.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18955316 - 10/09/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice job on terrarium, just think of how many cakes it could support and you won't have to just wonder if it is in an ideal environment. The perlite should be kept saturated, just try and keep a very fine layer of water on the bottom so that it can be wicked up by the perlite, but not enough for anaerobic activity in one spot.
As long as the humidity in the room is not very high, you should always see condensation on the inside of the container. Fan it as many times as you can WHILE keeping the humidity high and you are good to go
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: j_db69]
#18955355 - 10/09/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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j_db69 said: The perlite should be kept saturated, just try and keep a very fine layer of water on the bottom so that it can be wicked up by the perlite
The bottom of his SGFC should be lined with holes, so there can never be water in the bottom.
Not that you would want any standing water in the bottom of a FC, but even if you did, the perlite is not going to "wick" it up without the proper airflow, which means proper holes, on all 6 sides, top and bottom.....which also means no standing water.
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j_db69 said: As long as the humidity in the room is not very high, you should always see condensation on the inside of the container.
WTF kind of bullshit is this?
Condensation is from a temperature differential, not humidity.
A SGFC should NEVER have condensation.
The inside air should be the same temp as the outside air.
The only water on the walls of a properly built SGFC is water you put there.
Some people should just not give advice.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: PussyFart]
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Notahacker420 said: Some people should just not give advice.
I tried to find a gif or emotion smiley to tell you how much I agree, but there is none. So:
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: PussyFart]
#18958841 - 10/10/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:The bottom of his SGFC should be lined with holes, so there can never be water in the bottom.
I did put holes on all 6 sides. I'm wondering how I can keep the perlite moist without also soaking the cakes? You don't want to take them out just to mist the perlite, right? The perlite seems to be drying out quickly. The condensation in this pic you see is from me just misting them. Also, the cake on the right in the plastic container, it looks like the caps of the pins are turning a bit darker brown like they're going to abort. I'm wondering if I'm right and what could be wrong if so? The cake on the left is the one I originally started this thread about and was having a problem with. There was too much vermiculite in the container and when I dunked it it packed it down so no mycelium or pins would come up through anywhere except the sides. And it was only a few pins at a time. It seems to be doing better now and looks like it will put out a bit more.
Edit: I don't know why my text was bolded in this post.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
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kitkit69 said: I did put holes on all 6 sides. I'm wondering how I can keep the perlite moist without also soaking the cakes?
Mist it when you mist your cakes....
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No, leave them in there and mist them too.
Mist the cakes directly with a fine mist until they glisten, then fan out the chamber.
Mist the cakes again when the water you previously applied has evaporated.
The perlite will get wet every time you do this.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: PussyFart]
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I'll do this. The air here seems pretty dry so I might have to do this many times a day. We'll see what happens.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18959011 - 10/10/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I first looked at this I thought it looked like cobweb, especially at the top right...looks from how the thread is going that it's not though 
OP - can you PM me a link to that ensemble of diarrhea that they claim is a grow kit a few posts back? With the pump and that... I'm just curious...
Good luck and I bet you get so much more satisfaction doing things properly rather than using a kit 
At the same time ignore all the disparaging remarks at the start of this thread...people love to be all "LOL stoobid noob is a noob lets post a gif LULZ"
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Skinty]
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Skinty said:OP - can you PM me a link to that ensemble of diarrhea that they claim is a grow kit a few posts back? With the pump and that... I'm just curious...
Done. Anybody can find it by searching for "mushroom grow kit" on amazon. You can't miss it on the first page of results. And thanks for the encouragement!
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
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Does anybody know, if a mushroom begins to abort, that's it? It's going to abort no matter what, even if the conditions change? I think I might have misted the cake, on the right in the last pic I posted, too much.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
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Some of them always stop growing, you always have some aborts. They do not abort because od misting. You just need to have patience and pick what grows. You can´t revitalise aborts. All in all, seems to be quite a poor harvest. May I propose to do some enquiries on how to grow your own mycelia for the next time? Make a spore print and think about it, now you´ve got the terrarium anyway.
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Doing much better now. Still won't be the greatest harvest but at the rate I was going that cake would have ended up in the trash. The misting and fanning really brought out the pins. They're growing slow though. If the weather were hotter and more humid here they'd be growing much faster and bigger. They really need a humidifier but I'd have to humidify a whole room and that sounds a bit much. I'm thinking about setting up a closet.

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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
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kitkit69 said: Doing much better now. Still won't be the greatest harvest but at the rate I was going that cake would have ended up in the trash. The misting and fanning really brought out the pins. They're growing slow though. If the weather were hotter and more humid here they'd be growing much faster and bigger. They really need a humidifier but I'd have to humidify a whole room and that sounds a bit much. I'm thinking about setting up a closet.
First of all if your humidity is not high enough try adding more perlite...should have 4-5" of it.
Secondly if you get a humidifier, you would want to humidify the room, not the chamber.
And how do you know your humidity is low? Made in china hygrometer?
And SGFCs do not really perform well in a closet a lot of times.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
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I only have 3" of perlite in there so it could use some more. I know I'd want to humidify the room. How would I even fit a humidifier in the chamber? I'm not using a hygrometer. It's just that the air is dry and they've grown better for me during the hotter and more humid months of summer.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
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kitkit69 said: I only have 3" of perlite in there so it could use some more. I know I'd want to humidify the room. How would I even fit a humidifier in the chamber?
Well some people get the idea of piping it in....not sure where your head was lol.
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kitkit69 said: It's just that the air is dry and they've grown better for me during the hotter and more humid months of summer.
Yes, the ambient air might be dry, but if the chamber was built right I highly doubt you will have issues.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: PussyFart]
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Notahacker420 said:Are you using an isolate, or just random MS genetics?
MS = Multiple Sclerosis? You lost me there. It was a pre put together grow kit which was already inoculated. So I guess I couldn't answer that.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18973851 - 10/13/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MS = multi-spore
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18973855 - 10/13/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MS = Multi Spore
If you are buying grow kits then this is party why the flushes suck.
Yes, you are dealing with MS...which is just a bunch of random unpredictable genetics.
Kits are a big waste if you ask me.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18975641 - 10/14/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree after this experience that kits are a big waste. Next time I'll do jars and syringes. I remembered I have a thermometer in the fridge that also reads humidity. It's not digital. It has the name Taylor on it which seems to be a popular name. So I don't think it's from China. It's reading 52% in the house. That's pretty dry? I'll put it in the chamber and see what it reads today. You want at least 80-90% right?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#18975702 - 10/14/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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To do a proper pf-tek now all you need is spores and a syringe, both I assume you have already? If not you could probably find a syringe at the drug store or get one on amazon. Then get widemouth half pints, brown rice or brown rice flour (you'll need to grind the br into brf) and then vermiculite and you're good. Just be sterile when taking your spore print and making the syringe. After that all you'll need to buy to keep growing is brf and vermiculite, you can save the perlite and reuse it and make as many spore prints as you want.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: krypto2000]
#18976242 - 10/14/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: To do a proper pf-tek now all you need is spores and a syringe, both I assume you have already?
Nope. I was going to buy spores in syringes. I don't mind spending a little money. Being on SSI, I guess it's easy to piss money away when you don't have to work for it. I realize it seems to be a game here where the object is to grow the maximum amount possible with the least amount of cash spent. I feel like I'm ahead just not having to buy them from a "dealer". And I don't even know any dealers. I'm a major loner with no friends, family or connections to buy, sell or share with. So, I don't need a lot. Also, it looks like the temperature and humidity is perfect in the chamber. If the thermometer is right.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#19032587 - 10/25/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm wondering about a few things here. Some of the caps are brown or light brown and some are like a light yellowish color. I circled the ones with a light yellow color. Is this from being inoculated with multispores? They were supposed to be Thai's. The ones with light yellow caps are cracking and turning blue from bruising. They haven't been touched. What could be causing this? Also, what could be causing all of them to stretch sideways instead of growing straight up?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#19035593 - 10/26/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are fine....
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Icesyn]
#19035610 - 10/26/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icesyn said: The reason why you're not seeing the top layer colonize is because it shouldn't be colonizing. Dry vermiculite acts as a nutritionless filter to stop contams from reaching the nutritious substrate that the myc is trying to take over. Same applies with PF cakes and basic casing. Use the search function for more info.
uuuuhhhhh...no...the verm is a casing layer which creates a proper micro-climate for fruiting....you don't even need one for cubensis...don't spread bad info please. Help keep the shroomery clean.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#19036015 - 10/26/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't see who you were responding to. I'm sure they're fine but I was wondering why they were bending sideways and downward. It seemed like they were bending down towards the perlite maybe for more moisture. I've been misting and fanning them at least 6 times a day.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#19036364 - 10/26/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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6 times a day is WAY too much......and you are mistingthem directly? how far are you holding the bottle away from it?
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#19036950 - 10/26/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icesyn said: Is that dry verm on the top? If so you should try to fruit the bitch asap.
It could be contaminated or the substrate may be lacking in a few ways. Either way, you were silly enough to buy a grow kit. 
What do you mean "try to fruit the bitch asap"? It's not dry. It's been wet for weeks and that's all that's grown from it. I don't want a big grow operation because even with these kits I've bought in the past, they've put out more shrooms than I can consume before they've lost potency. I have my reasons for going this route and would just like help with what I've got.
LOL? you cant eat them before they loose potency is that a fucking joke? I hope ur kidding
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#19036974 - 10/26/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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pisses me off to see stupid ass comments like that, when some people who actually deserve ss, meaning arnt defrauding the system actually need and count on that money and barley receive enough to get by,
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: villui]
#19037223 - 10/26/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I completely agree. It's shameful what people do out of selfishness.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#19037483 - 10/26/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: 6 times a day is WAY too much......and you are mistingthem directly? how far are you holding the bottle away from it?
Yes, I was misting them directly. I was holding the bottle about a foot away from them.
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krypto2000 said: I don't mind spending a little money. Being on SSI, I guess it's easy to piss money away when you don't have to work for it. I realize it seems to be a game here where the object is to grow the maximum amount possible with the least amount of cash spent

pisses me off to see stupid ass comments like that, when some people who actually deserve ss, meaning arnt defrauding the system actually need and count on that money and barley receive enough to get by,
Ignored. I'm disabled and take medications for it but it's none of your fucking business what I spend my money on or why I get SSI.
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I completely agree. It's shameful what people do out of selfishness.
Ignored.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: kitkit69]
#19039393 - 10/27/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude....don't mist them directly and if you do...hold the bottle WAY up away from them so as to simulate a light rain. The best thing to do is to mist once or twice a day down the inner walls of the fruiting chamber. only "rain" on your cake if it seems to REALLY be drying out....learn from this mistake friend.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#19039510 - 10/27/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: Dude....don't mist them directly and if you do...hold the bottle WAY up away from them so as to simulate a light rain. The best thing to do is to mist once or twice a day down the inner walls of the fruiting chamber.
Misting them directly is fine, and there is no need to ever mist the walls of a FC.
It's posts like this that confuse the fuck out of noobs, and make it harder for the whole community to get good info.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: PussyFart]
#19040681 - 10/27/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude...it's worked better for me, I don't know why... I have a grant.. I'll let you know when I get my degree for botany/mycology.Perhaps it's just my fc...perhaps my perlite just dries out too rapidly so this is my method of re hydrating the perlite..cause that seems to be the case for me...
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#19040713 - 10/27/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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But misting 6 times a day from a foot away is not good in my xp,lol...sorry
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: Nakor420]
#19044275 - 10/28/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My spray mister is not that fine at all. It shoots out pretty big drops of water which I aim directly at my fruits. And spray like hell while I turn my tub around to hit all corners and places behind shrooms. Never been a problem.. Set a fan directly at my tub with no poly for a night once, and most my fruits bruised.
So keep misting. They don't die in nature when it rains outside either.
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Re: Barely any mycelium after a month [Re: spacechildo]
#19044808 - 10/28/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Never said they DIE...obviously they don't...look at his grow. ..
Whatever...don't take my advice....
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