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ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata
#18848622 - 09/16/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey!
So, the weather here in Finland is perfect right now for some mushrooms, including Liberty Caps. Since this is my first year hunting I'd appreciate some help with my first ones found. I went several days checking on new ones and old specimens developing over time. All were found on the same field in the right kind of sedge grass. Although some of these remind a bit of Liberty Caps, I'm quite sure all of these aren't.
Habitat: Well fertilized pasture land; beside and near, but not directly on dung.
Gills: Black-dark to light brown
Stem: 5-10 cm, hollow, not flexy.
Cap: As in picture, varying depending on moisture.
Spore print color: Black/dark brown (POSSIBLY even slightly purple)
Bruising: No bruising really. Possibly a bit darkish in the old specimens.
http://postimg.org/gallery/biurqjec/61044782/ http://postimg.org/gallery/89p6tgg8/f0f40b8d/
If some experienced (preferably several) people could go through these pictures quickly and inform me if these are P. Semilanceatas. If not, what could they be? (Psathyrella marcescibilis?)
Thanks a bunch!
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botha



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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18848803 - 09/16/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey! Im estonian - I say they are not libs. Notice that the cap is not having slimey layer, the stem is too dark. I meet those fellas on the same field I get my Lib's, just dont pick those. They grow among libs and near to them.
Panaeolus Acuminatus - maybe some panaeolus species?
Edited by botha (09/16/13 12:15 PM)
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18848890 - 09/16/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is not liberty caps
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bulipap
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: botha]
#18849045 - 09/16/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, a bit as I expected. Always good to know though. Thank you both very much for the fast reply!
Happy hunting!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: botha]
#18849056 - 09/16/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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botha said: Hey! Im estonian - I say they are not libs. Notice that the cap is not having slimey layer, the stem is too dark. I meet those fellas on the same field I get my Lib's, just dont pick those. They grow among libs and near to them.
Panaeolus Acuminatus - maybe some panaeolus species?
Id go with P acuminatus as well.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap] 1
#18849152 - 09/16/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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bulipap said: Hey!
So, the weather here in Finland is perfect right now for some mushrooms, including Liberty Caps. Since this is my first year hunting I'd appreciate some help with my first ones found. I went several days checking on new ones and old specimens developing over time. All were found on the same field in the right kind of sedge grass. Although some of these remind a bit of Liberty Caps, I'm quite sure all of these aren't.
Stem: 5-10 cm, hollow, not flexy.
Hey!
Mushroom hunting weather was good last week but probably won't be good again until later this week - too warm and too dry over almost all of the country. When night temps are getting down to 8c again, time to go hunting. Only thing you'll likely find right now is 4 day old specimens that are mostly deteriorated.
P. Semilanceata never has a hollow stem and it is always flexible and strong like shiny, twisted sinew. None of your finds are semis.
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bulipap
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Awesome, thanks Psylosymonreturns and Silokki (suippumadonlakki)! Better just be patient and go searching later this week again...
Also, what is considered as too dry? I mean is the seasons humidity during the night enough or do these mushrooms require frequent rainfall?
Thank you very much!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18849479 - 09/16/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think that below 10C degrees and night mist is doing the trick also. It hadn`t been raining for a week when I went to check second time this year. It was early morning, no rain, sun was shining but grass and soil was really wet from night mist and I found my first 30 fellas
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18851235 - 09/16/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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bulipap said:
Also, what is considered as too dry? I mean is the seasons humidity during the night enough or do these mushrooms require frequent rainfall?
If the fog is heavy enough to leave the tall grass wet until noon and the ground is not rock hard and cracked, then that is good enough. If the ground is rock hard and cracked on a sunny day, then that spot will never be good enough even after heavy rains.
Grounds where the dirt has been machined are not so good. Mowing is OK, though, not a bad thing at all.
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bulipap
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Thank you SideNote and Suippumadonlakki very much!
One more probably quite obvious question tho. Why is it worthwhile going mushroom hunting early in the mornings? Beside the fact that you can search more incognito, are some/all mushrooms (like the Liberty Caps) more visible in the cold and damp mornings? I have also tried searching for answers without any luck...
Thanks!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18858613 - 09/18/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No real reason. Just felt like a great fresh Autumn morning
But yes, finding a field of your own can be really time-consuming. I haven`t managed yet. Using fields that are known for their magic..
Edited by SideNote (09/18/13 03:15 PM)
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bulipap
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: SideNote]
#18861181 - 09/19/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Perfect. Although I'm definitely not a mornining person, I love the feeling of freshness in the morning.  Thanks!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18861789 - 09/19/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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bulipap said: Thank you SideNote and Suippumadonlakki very much!
One more probably quite obvious question tho. Why is it worthwhile going mushroom hunting early in the mornings? Beside the fact that you can search more incognito, are some/all mushrooms (like the Liberty Caps) more visible in the cold and damp mornings? I have also tried searching for answers without any luck...
Thanks!
For successful hunting of any small, well camoflauged, difficult to find mushroom, you should study and intimately learn the behaviour of it's mycelium.
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Time to put your boots on, bulipap, they're flushing right now.
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If the fog is heavy enough to leave the tall grass wet until noon and the ground is not rock hard and cracked, then that is good enough. If the ground is rock hard and cracked on a sunny day, then that spot will never be good enough even after heavy rains.
Grounds where the dirt has been machined are not so good. Mowing is OK, though, not a bad thing at all.
I had to bump this thread. This advice will save you hours trying to find liberty caps. Thanks.
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bulipap
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YesSir suippumadonlakki! I appreciate you helping me out!
Today morning I went to a local golf course searching for a couple of hours (http://postimg.org/gallery/3ztowxba/5fe2cd73/). Too bad I didn't find any Libs beside a snake (which I, with my unalertness, almost stepped on). Tomorrow morning I'm planning on going to the same pasture field I was last time (OP pictures) and some kind of new field I stumbled across today (http://postimg.org/image/mzai6bl0x/). Do all these places look promising to you?
Once again, thank you very much!
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dRe: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18871188 - 09/21/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not Liberty caps, steams are too narrow, brittle and dark
Liberty caps have off-white stalks that are stronger and thicker and their caps are nicer to look at(more solid, with a sharper point on top)
These are also not Psilocybe Conifer because their caps are too light(not amber) and not translucent enough
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bulipap
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dRe: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: Herbgarden]
#18871226 - 09/21/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for another confirmation Herbgarden!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18874655 - 09/22/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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bulipap said: YesSir suippumadonlakki! I appreciate you helping me out!
Today morning I went to a local golf course searching for a couple of hours (http://postimg.org/gallery/3ztowxba/5fe2cd73/). Too bad I didn't find any Libs beside a snake (which I, with my unalertness, almost stepped on). Tomorrow morning I'm planning on going to the same pasture field I was last time (OP pictures) and some kind of new field I stumbled across today (http://postimg.org/image/mzai6bl0x/). Do all these places look promising to you?
Once again, thank you very much!
Those spots don't look good to me - too tall and thick.
You need to find a spot where there are grasses of lots of mixed light and dark colors (the more mixed colors the better), sedge grass clumps (nurmilauha) here and there, and exposed bits of bare ground here and there. Best spot will always be on the south side of openings (that is, the part of the opening that faces the north. In this part of the opening, look for the lowest ground spots because they hold more moisture.
Semis grow from the roots of the dying sedges, sometimes right up from the middle of the clump, sometimes on the bare ground or short healthy grass that is up to a few meters away (the sedge roots are really long).
Look for a spot where the grass is like this:
https://mycotopia.net/forums/attachments/holding-tank/101216d1222085321-p-semilanceata-hab1.jpg
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Today I went looking again for a couple of hour without luck. Not even close to giving up though, I really need this! Next hunting session in a couple of days again.
Also, everything I needed to know in one post. You're awesome!! Thank you!
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