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2 cubes 1 mono??
    #18871057 - 09/21/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I had a cake each of B+ and GT left over so i spawned them in Hpoo to mini trays. They are now very close to fruiting stage. They will also fit nicely into my bigger mono together. Question to you all is, can i sit the 2 trays in the mono together to fruit even tho they are different strains? Also since this isnt one big sub, but 2 smaller ones should i mist/fan regularly even in the mono?


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Keyster]
    #18871090 - 09/21/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As long as the strains aren't sharing the same substrate you should be good.

And you mean fruiting chamber, not mono. Right?


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871104 - 09/21/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No i mean mono tub. It seems to me its really the same thing. One big sub in the mono or 2 trays of sub that equal the one big sub. My mono is pretty much played out at this point, so i can just dump it, sterilize and fit the 2 trays nicely into the bottom taking up the same amount of real estate.


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Keyster]
    #18871106 - 09/21/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, you can fruit two different varieties of cubes together in the same monotub, they are still both cubes. Yes you should still mist/fan regularly, although be careful not to overdo the misting. Post some pics when fruiting stage starts :thumbup:


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Keyster]
    #18871109 - 09/21/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think two trays would retain humidity in there well enough. Throw some perlite in there and call it a fruiting chamber.

It's called a monotub for a reason.


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871112 - 09/21/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

LOL Ok, ill throw a few inches of perlite on the bottom and call it a fruiting chamber. I just love fuckin around with the parameters of shit and seeing what can and cant be done. With at least some input from someone who actually knows what the hell is going on of course!


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Keyster]
    #18871139 - 09/21/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Icesyn]
    #18871542 - 09/21/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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As long as the strains aren't sharing the same substrate you should be good.

And you mean fruiting chamber, not mono. Right?




They can be different strains.  If you're using multispore than each of your jars is going to have multiple strains each.  As long as it is all cubensis you should be fine (even though the Hawkseye has B+ and Pans fruiting together as well).


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18872056 - 09/21/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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They can be different strains.  If you're using multispore than each of your jars is going to have multiple strains each.  As long as it is all cubensis you should be fine (even though the Hawkseye has B+ and Pans fruiting together as well).




You're somewhat correct. Cubes share similar genetics but when dealing with strains, the genetics are different enough  that the different mycs are in more competition with eachother ending with poor yields. But spores being the same strain with less genetic differences and less competition grows so much better. That's why it's good to practice using as few spores as possible or even strain isolation. The fewer differences, the easier the mycelium can flourish.


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Icesyn]
    #18872070 - 09/21/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey guys i was doing some pf jars to coir tubs and a few of the jars contaminated so i am left with less than optimal numbers. I was wondering if i am able to use 4 jars of brazil and 1 of GT all in the same monotub as spawn. and also maybe a mexicube if that jar ever finishes. Are there any drawbacks to mixing different "strains" of spawn?

And with the jars that contaminated, I am cutting off the small contamed areas and breaking them up to throw in a hole i dug outside. I will mix with coir and level off the hole, i will be using a mix of brazil and GT again. Is there anything wrong with this outdoor method? Thanks!




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I see the same wrong answers above we've been seeing for years.  You can mix them.  It's what happens when you use a spore syringe anyway, because there's always multiple strains in a tub.
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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18872092 - 09/21/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

And? A post from RR two and a half years ago does not debunk my statement. I'm well aware that each spore within the same strain name hold unique genetics of it's own thus being considered it's own strain. But the amount of differences is what depics how certain "strains" grow.

Want to grow, just shoot some spores in.
Want to grow like a champ, isolate some strains 1st.


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Icesyn]
    #18872114 - 09/21/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Shit isolates can produce less than good luck MS.  No shit a good isolate will outperform MS, but mixing multiple names isn't going to be that big of a deal.

Example: you can grow PE from spores that will fruit like normal cubes and in the same tub get penis looking mushrooms.  Different strains, same tub. 


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18872153 - 09/21/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, if you're okay growing like a damn fool. Hold back justifying this topic (off topic by the way) before anyone skims around and takes your word for it. That info does not help for a successful grow.

And yes, some strains are weak and do not prove as healthy. Just as some children are born with a screw loose.

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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18872158 - 09/21/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with icesyn.  If you put 2 ecuadors and 2 GT's together you will get lower yields then staying to the same name.

Ive had prints that even with MS gave me pretty reliable results if I then mixed my redspore with my b+ both pretty reliable MS prints for me I would get tubs with redspore'd prints and regular purplish prints but the overall yield would decrease drastically.  Do a mixed tub with any different type of cubensis that has distinguishable differences than a regular cube (EX: albino a+, Falbino, PE, APE, Redspore, redboy, columbian rust spore) and your results will be mixed with very poor results.


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18872209 - 09/21/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Icesyn said:
Yeah, if you're okay growing like a damn fool. Hold back justifying this topic (off topic by the way) before anyone skims around and takes your word for it. That info does not help for a successful grow.

And yes, some strains are weak and do not prove as healthy. Just as some children are born with a screw loose.

Good day.
:iveseenenough:




You're the one who brought this up by saying "as long as they don't share the same substrate."  And it isn't my word, it is the word of one of the most trusted cultivators on the internet, which I happen to agree with due to my experience and educational background.

But, we can drop it.

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I agree with icesyn.  If you put 2 ecuadors and 2 GT's together you will get lower yields then staying to the same name.

Ive had prints that even with MS gave me pretty reliable results if I then mixed my redspore with my b+ both pretty reliable MS prints for me I would get tubs with redspore'd prints and regular purplish prints but the overall yield would decrease drastically.  Do a mixed tub with any different type of cubensis that has distinguishable differences than a regular cube (EX: albino a+, Falbino, PE, APE, Redspore, redboy, columbian rust spore) and your results will be mixed with very poor results.




And some people have monos that give them three shrooms and crap out :shrug: MS is MS.


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: Icesyn]
    #18872245 - 09/21/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think two trays would retain humidity in there well enough. Throw some perlite in there and call it a fruiting chamber.

It's called a monotub for a reason.






This works well.  Evaporation is quick with one "shoe box" tray.  Daily misting is required.  Two trays fit great, and it requires misting less frequently. 

Much like cakes, the more colonized mass you get into a fruiting chamber of any kind, the better the humidity will be due to more surface area evaporating water.


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Re: 2 cubes 1 mono?? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #18872286 - 09/21/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yea sure MS is MS.
If I have jars that consistently give me wall to wall pinsets.  Every jar G2G'd when put into a mono gives you a wall to wall.  Mix name a w name b and fruit the mono your results will not be good.  Mix isolate a w isolate b both proven performers and your results will not be as good as a or b separately.


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