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agrichemist
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Registered: 09/20/13
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Indoor HBWR.
#18869623 - 09/20/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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These are pictures of some HBWR, I will refer to them simply as "vines". I am new to this website, please forgive me for any mistakes I might make and provide me with any constructive criticism.
I sometimes go on long tangents and write "run-on" sentences about many seemingly unrelated things, but if you can bear with me they will eventually piece themselves together.
Intro: These vines are growing indoors at 76F. They are mostly in very small pots and have nothing to climb up but other vines. The grower wishes he could plant them outdoors, however it is cold outside (about 35-40F at night and getting colder every day) this time of year and the vines prefer tropical climates. Most are planted in 100% organic worm castings, but some have a mix of worm castings, potting soil, and compost. The grower believes that the vines are happy for the most part growing on worm casting based substrate. The vines are watered every day, usually with regular water, but occasionally (1-2 times a week) with 1/2 strength nitrogen fertilizer (also Miracle Grow brand). The grower knows that the vines would prefer more space, but he dares not put them out in the cold, and he has no larger pots. Unable to afford a greenhouse, the grower makes do with his windowsill.
The grower has some questions about the general well being of his plants, he feels spiritually connected to them having raised them from seeds, and cares about them as if they were his children.
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#1: The grower would like to know if deformed leaves like this:   are caused by limited root space, or some other factor. He is also wondering if the deformed plants will still be able to grow and flower normally.
#2: The grower has also noticed some mysterious dark brown/black speckles on the undersides of some leaves. He is wondering if they are insect eggs, and if they might hatch into some harmful pest. So far the speckles have done nothing sinister, but the grower had some tobacco plants in the same room for a few weeks. The tobacco plants were infested with at least 3 different types of pests. These pests included spider mites, aphids, and some unidentifiable red things (they honestly looked like spider mites that had morphed into even brighter red 2mm long slugs/worms/larvae). The tobacco infestation started with just spider mites; in an attempt to kill the pests the grower bought a pack of Newport 100's and proceeded to soak them in approximately 200ml of dry acetone mixed with 300ml water, put the resulting brown goop into a blender with a whole unpeeled garlic, a lemon, and a tablespoon each of powdered cayenne & red pepper. The blended mixture was strained first through a t-shirt, then through a coffee filter, before finally being sprayed liberally onto all of the tobacco plants. This makeshift pesticide application seemingly resulted in sudden death of the spider mites (as well as causing anyone in the room to feel as if they were downwind of someone using pepper spray). The spider mites returned with a vengeance and some parasitic comrades/competitors, all in less than a week. The grower has moved the Virginian tobacco plants into the cold despite knowing that they would likely die after being exposed to the foreign climate. He is sad about abandoning the tobacco, but knows no other way to protect his other plants and kill the pests. Since the tobacco incident the grower has been paranoid about the vines falling victim to parasitic insects. Here are some pictures of what appear to be unknown insect eggs on the bottom of a vine leaf, followed by pictures of the tobacco plants more recent condition.
    
#3:The grower does not know what he should do about the climbing tendencies of the vines. They are currently climbing and wrapping around one another, as well as reaching up to the ceiling, seeming disappointed, and slowing vine growth. Is it okay for them to become entangled with one another? The grower thinks it looks beautiful, but wonders about the health of the vines. Below is an example of the entanglement.

Thank you for viewing, If you have any questions or answers to questions please post them. I will try to promptly relay information to and from the grower.
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P-O
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Tell "SWIM" that his plant looks nice. 
sorry with the problems hes havin.... i cant really help. but if you he does have mites, they should be killed ASAP!!!!!
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agrichemist
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Re: Indoor HBWR. [Re: P-O]
#18871593 - 09/21/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you! I think all the mites are dead, but the little dots on the leaves underside are somewhat worrisome.
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karode13
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I just can't see the black specks clear enough to have an opinion. Do they scratch off? Is there any other specks/flakes as well as those?(might be other instars of the pest present is why I ask). Leaf deformation could be due to sap sucking pests...
Plant needs something to climb up onto. They concentrate on establishing themselves and getting a good root system before climbing upwards in search of world domination. It really needs something to climb on. In time the weight of the plant climbing on itself will likely pull it down.
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toawbe
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Re: Indoor HBWR. [Re: karode13]
#18874720 - 09/22/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would really suggest moving them into some bigger pots. I understand that the grower may be financially limited but get creative and you don't have to spend much, repurposed 10g water bottles, old trashcans...
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Rauhfasertapete
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Re: Indoor HBWR. [Re: toawbe]
#18874736 - 09/22/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You did something right with these plants, they look very healthy. Growing tobacco indoors maybe wasn´t the best idea, as nightshade plants tend to get all kinds of diseases as soon as they are inside. I´d let them die outside in the cold.
Against insects, mites and nematodes I can recommend Neem oil from the seeds of the tree Azadirachta indica, mixed with water and a drop of an emulsifying agent (Remulgan would work) to get a effective spray solution that is harmless for the plant as well as for vertebrates.
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