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Mazatapec on Rye (First Grow). 2nd Flush!
    #18869318 - 09/20/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Greetings everyone, got my syringes and spawn in yesterday so I'm starting my first grow. Intended to grow PE but my order came with a free syringe of mazapatec and after reading a bit about it I figured wth. Also seems to be a bit more noob friendly.
So I just noc'd 2 quart spawn bags of rye berry with ~3cc spore solution each. Gonna get my monotub set up then I'll post some pics. Now for the fun part, if I've learned anything about shroom cultivation is I'll need a good amount of patience =P

First signs of life:

As of 10/2 :

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18958300 - 10/10/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Question: I have 2 1quart bags atm one is at 100% the other is around 20%. Would it have a negative impact on my grow if I mixed n soaked both then moved to a monotub or should I just spawn each one seperately in smaller bins? The sub is a hpoo coir mix with gypsum and a basic casing will be applied. The one bag that's finished shows very strong growth while the other is more of the fuzzy not very matured mycelium.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18958335 - 10/10/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

if you mix the one that isn't fully colonized into the monotub you're asking for contamination. Two separate ones, or wait but waiting isn't optimal either you should use grain spawn right when it's fully colonized.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18958338 - 10/10/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You are asking for trouble if you spawn the 20% bag before it's fully colonized. You have two choices.

1)Spawn seperately to smaller tubs as you stated.

2)You can put the fully colonized bag in the fridge to dramatically slow growth, and wait for the other one to catch up.


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: mushmagic]
    #18959990 - 10/10/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks guys, about the fridge thing. That wouldn't harm the mycelium would it? I just wanna do both in one to cut back bulk colonizing times. Now my spawn to sub ration is pretty low around 1:5. Which would also be asking for contams I'd think.

Also wouldn't the uncolonized grain just act as nutrients same as the sub?

I'll upload a pic of the slow bag, it's around 40-50% by what is visible. Though the mycelium doesn't appear as strong as the other.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18960057 - 10/10/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)


The slow bag. Had trouble getting the other sides because of the humidity. It's pretty consistent patches through out the surface as in the pic and the bag feels pretty solid so i can tell its growing inside aswell.


The other bag which is just dying to grow lol =/

As far as liners go, I can use anything similar to a trashbag right? Color and light permiability have no effect as far as I know and all I have is regular white bags.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18962057 - 10/10/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No the fridge won't harm it at all. Uncolonized grains will cause problems because they're sterilized, therefore competing molds and bacteria can get a foothold on them long before the mycelium has a chance. Yes a white liner should work fine, you just want to block the FAE and evaporation from happening inbetween the sub and the side of the tub and also preventing pockets of higher humidity between it which would be the perfect micro environment for fruitbodys.


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: mushmagic]
    #18962075 - 10/10/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

2 quarts int't enough for a mono.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18962082 - 10/10/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Depends on the size of the mono. If it was a mini mono like a shoebox sterilite tub it would work just fine.


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: mushmagic]
    #18962715 - 10/11/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the input mush! Sorry if I hadn't clarified it is a mini, but I guess doing 2 minis works out in the long run making it relative in size to a reg mono. Mine are about half the size of a 50ish quart tub, and I have the added benefit of a fall back if the first goes south =P

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18984869 - 10/16/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So on 10/13 i set up my first mini mono, covered it with a bag and put in my closet. Yesterday, about 2days later i decided to checkout what it was doing. The whole tub seems to be colonized to about 75-80% with what appears to be ridiculous strong growth. Its all white and not fuzzy so I'm not that worried, same was in my bags. Had trouble getting a descent pic but the surface is consistently covered like this.

10/15


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18984934 - 10/16/13 06:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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2 quarts int't enough for a mono.



It is if the mono is small.
This is 2 quarts of spawn on its fourth flush


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18984993 - 10/16/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Those are beautiful pasty! :inlove:

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Stromrider]
    #18985030 - 10/16/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks Strom :blush:

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18985089 - 10/16/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The slow bag. Had trouble getting the other sides because of the humidity. It's pretty consistent patches through out the surface as in the pic and the bag feels pretty solid so i can tell its growing inside aswell.


The other bag which is just dying to grow lol =/

As far as liners go, I can use anything similar to a trashbag right? Color and light permiability have no effect as far as I know and all I have is regular white bags.




If those bags are from the same syringe, I'd say the slow one is battling bacteria. I wouldn't mix a healthy one with a slow one.
This is a 12q tub spawned with 2q grain So 2q is plenty for a small mono


For lining the tub, most plastic trash bags let enough light through to cause side pinning anyway so it is a wasted effort. If you want to line the inside, use aluminum foil. I simply wrap the outside bottom 4" with duct tape.

Mazatapec is a great grow, no huge fruits, but full heavy canopies and fast colonizing times. If started the same day, you'll likely have dried Maz fruits before you see PE pins.

Edited by skippydude (10/16/13 07:35 AM)

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18985106 - 10/16/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The slow bag. Had trouble getting the other sides because of the humidity.



You mean condensation, which has very little to do with the actual humidity.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
    #18985214 - 10/16/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Haha nice catch hacker, I was completely spaced when I typed that out. Indeed I meant condensation =)
Skippy: thx for the input, I already sorted out my lining it seems the be doing just fine. My tubs are pretty similar. Maza was the random freebie that came with my envy syringes. Picked them for those exact reasons, I mean my tub is a mini but it looking to be on track for fruiting or casing within the next few days. that's like 5 days from bag to tub =). Though it did take a bit to colonize the grain.

My slow bag seemed to beat whatever was slowing its growth because it exploded over night and is rdy to go. Nice fruits btw pasty, I'm hoping mine will turn out the same =)

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18985225 - 10/16/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I did side by side studies with iso cultures.
Cased and not cased.
They performed identically
IMO cubes need no casing

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #18989579 - 10/17/13 05:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So I fully understand that cubes don't exactly NEED a.casing layer but I realize now how "uneven" the surface of my sub is. Givin how rhizomorphic maza mycelium is couldn't it be slightly beneficial? Just to even everything out. Theres like little rhizo trees growing lol

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18989587 - 10/17/13 05:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So I fully understand that cubes don't exactly NEED a.casing layer but I realize now how "uneven" the surface of my sub is. Givin how rhizomorphic maza mycelium is couldn't it be slightly beneficial?



Not all Maza mycellium is rhizomorphic, and no, just because you have rhizomorphic mycellium does not mean a casing layer is going to help anything.

Well, it won't be of any help unless proper conditions cannot be obtained.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
    #18989790 - 10/17/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Casing cubes is an unnecessary step that adds an additional risk to the process increasing the chances for contamination.

There is one scenario where casing is beneficial with cubes and that is rolling PF cakes in verm, but mono tubs & trays need no casing.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #18989821 - 10/17/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There is one scenario where casing is beneficial with cubes and that is rolling PF cakes in verm, but mono tubs & trays need no casing.



Unless your growing PE, in which case a casing layer would most likely reduce 1st flush blobbage.

Other than that, unless proper conditions cannot be met, there is no real benefit of having one.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
    #18990054 - 10/17/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lol yea I guess I'm just overthinking everything. At the very least I'll hold off on playing with casings until I have more experience to experiment =)

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18990232 - 10/17/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol yea I guess I'm just overthinking everything. At the very least I'll hold off on playing with casings until I have more experience to experiment =)



Good plan, after a few grows, when the outcome isn't as important and you can get your hands on an isolate, do a side by side for yourself. You'll see, the proof is in the pudding.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #18990680 - 10/17/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So while reading a bit I came across this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150#17231150. It seems to explain the excessive aeriel mycelium activity I've been seeing and attributes it to poor GE. Is this something I should be worrying about during colonization? I'm just using the imperfect seal of the lid for ge right now.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18990719 - 10/17/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Personally I like to see a little aerial myc. When I don't see any my humidity is usually too low.
A little at the base of the stem and on the surface of the sub doesn't bother me at all. If it were on the caps I'd definitely increase fanning.
Is that a no hole mono tub? If so lots of fanning will be required 4-5 times a day and still could show aerial myc.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #18990985 - 10/17/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Naw it's got the 4 at sub level 2 at top type deal with polyfil. Made the holes a bit smaller since it's a mini.
Though I'm done worrying for the time being, gonna try n forget about it for a few days =)

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18998714 - 10/19/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So I checked my tub when I woke up and it looks like this
10/19


Let me know what you think, I intended to wait through the weekend to fruit but is it rdy now?? Aslo there is a decent amount of condensation on the mycelium itself, should i be worried?

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18998732 - 10/19/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Looks kind of funky but go ahead and fruit it. It is as ready as it will ever be.

This is what a healthy tub is supposed to look at 100%


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #18998985 - 10/19/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So I checked my tub when I woke up and it looks like this
10/19


Let me know what you think, I intended to wait through the weekend to fruit but is it rdy now?? Aslo there is a decent amount of condensation on the mycelium itself, should i be worried?



It looks great, very rhizo and knotting :thumbup:
The glistening moisture on the sub is a good thing, just watch for pooling

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19015999 - 10/22/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Just an update on my progress, set my tub to fruit on 10/19. It's been moving along nicely. Showing a good amount of what I believe to be knots, unless I'm mistaken.
10/22:
Been producing a lot of aerial growth still so I loosened the poly at the top holes. Also haven't had a good light until now, but I got a 6500k fluorescent so I'm not worried. Let me know what ya think =)

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #19020366 - 10/23/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, thats my favorite strain, Mazateca!

Glad its getting grown again, makes me smile!



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    #19022555 - 10/23/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Got my first pin! That in itself is pretty gratifying =)



Hopefully many more to come!

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #19024523 - 10/24/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Got my first pin! That in itself is pretty gratifying =)



Hopefully many more to come!


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19026673 - 10/24/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Obligatory next day pic, I'm fukn amped like a kid on Christmas lmao! More pins, pic doesn't really do it justice there's like 30-40 baby pins pretty evenly spread throughout the tub so I'm pretty stoked =D



I'll wait till there's a bit more action for my next update.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #19035125 - 10/26/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Everything seems to be going great got a pretty nice pin set and more are coming in daily =) Also a few neat mutations, pin with another growing off the cap in top right corner of the pic and a few fused pins.



My question is, are there any ways to tell if my tub is drying out or too dry? I don't mist at all, especially now that there is so many pins. The surface still has moisture on most of it but the edges don't seem to have as much of the glistening beads of water on it.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #19035183 - 10/26/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Don't sweat the mutations, they're more potent and very photogenic.
Your tub looks hydrated well enough to me :thumbup:
I never mist just because or routinely, always look at the sub and decide. If it's glistening IMO no mist needed.
2nd flush  and on, generally require more misting than the first

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19035254 - 10/26/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Haha I love the mutants, imo thats the nature of any mushroom or fungus. Which is why they are so hardy, they are always adapting and mutating to suit their grow environment.
I figured the second flush will require more attention to moisture,  just tryin to make these shrooms as happy as possible so they'll return the favor :grin:

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #19040270 - 10/27/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Some more pics, different angle so you can better see my grow. Woo first actual shroom! I'm so tempted to just pick it n a few bolts and just eat them now lmao




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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19042418 - 10/27/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Haha Skippy that's awesome! Picked the biggest, it's in the dehydrator right now. It went from veil break to pretty opened up in the last like 12 hours.



Can anyone tell me what this black powder like substance is that was forming on the cap? It comes off easily and isn't spores as far as I can tell. In my earlier pic it was basically all orange.


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #19042475 - 10/27/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Unless there is a good wind spores only fall down. They certainly would not be on top of your first cap to break veil. Plus you can't wipe spores off with a brillo pad, they're like a dark purple magic marker when they stain the sub and the other shrooms
Your pic won't expand for me, so I can't really see what your talking about, but a dry, black powder that wipes off can't be good.
Is it only on the harvested cap or are others infected as well?

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19042516 - 10/27/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't appear to be any others with it. In my previous pic update you can see it a little on the biggest cap, almost like a black streak on it's cap. Didn't think anything of it

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19042534 - 10/27/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Unless there is a good wind spores only fall down. They certainly would not be on top of your first cap to break veil.




This is incorrect.  Those are spores.  Spores are hella light. The tiniest air currents will waft them up on top of any mushrooms they 'fall' from.  The expanded pictures definitely shows dark purple spores.  It's not pitch black.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18195#18195


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19042563 - 10/27/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol they all seem to have landed on the one that dropped them though =/
And like I said it looks like it started before the cap was fully opened.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19042567 - 10/27/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lookin good' - after you harvest that flush- I advise patching- or adding a caseing.  At least a 1/4 inch.  You have a lot of potential in that substrate right now; caseing layers; are not needed with this species, but, sometimes they help even out the pit set, and help primordia form without the abuse of the water in the air, pooling on the myc.  Oh and yeah the spores, they are pretty- my profile pic shows Amazons after they spored all over themselves for a week.


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Civ]
    #19042583 - 10/27/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup: awesome for you!


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Rubestoad]
    #19042725 - 10/27/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Haha so I went the safe route and just harvested everything with a broken veil this is what I got =)



I'm considering takin them for a test drive tonight lol

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #19043061 - 10/27/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Haha so I went the safe route and just harvested everything with a broken veil this is what I got =)



I'm considering takin them for a test drive tonight lol




Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits.  People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #19043089 - 10/27/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19044439 - 10/28/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yea ur right tiger, even SW.com states that they only get  to around 4.5" most. I've never really seen big mazas lol. Makes them kinda perfect for a mini mono. Woke up to find everything opened up and a bit of sporing.



Don't have a scale so I couldn't tell ya overall weight.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19044447 - 10/28/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits.  People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.



Well they can be either big or small, so them being small is not that big of a stretch.

Cubes are cubes, and any variety can produce fruits that look like that.

Just because they are small means nothing...I have had small GT, Z, and PE6 that look just like that.

Size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics.

(Please do not associate individual genetics with some name some vendor gave some group of spores some time ago)

This is the kind of info that confuses noobs, and makes them think the name of said variety actually matters, when in reality it does not.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
    #19044806 - 10/28/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits.  People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.



Well they can be either big or small, so them being small is not that big of a stretch.

Cubes are cubes, and any variety can produce fruits that look like that.

Just because they are small means nothing...I have had small GT, Z, and PE6 that look just like that.

Size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics.

(Please do not associate individual genetics with some name some vendor gave some group of spores some time ago)

This is the kind of info that confuses noobs, and makes them think the name of said variety actually matters, when in reality it does not.



Mazatapec is the town in Mexico, where this strain was discovered and not just some made up vendor name.(not that I have ever received one single print from a vendor, mine were all shared out of kindness by un-named individuals)
For me the Maz grew small fruits with full canopies under any condition I grew them in. IMO that's the genetics on this one.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
    #19045385 - 10/28/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits.  People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.



Well they can be either big or small, so them being small is not that big of a stretch.

Cubes are cubes, and any variety can produce fruits that look like that.

Just because they are small means nothing...I have had small GT, Z, and PE6 that look just like that.

Size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics.

(Please do not associate individual genetics with some name some vendor gave some group of spores some time ago)

This is the kind of info that confuses noobs, and makes them think the name of said variety actually matters, when in reality it does not.




I agree with everything you say.  As I said, I know that small fruits are by no means the rule.  I believe this is entirely the result of a limited genepool from a specific sponsor (I believe there are only two sponsors who carry spores labelled in this name) so all grows are stemming from that same sample of multispore genetics which just so happen to have a tendency to grow small fruits in typical amateur growing conditions. /breath

Edit when I said 'as I said' I meant in from whatever post that was a couple days ago.


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19045416 - 10/28/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits.  People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.



Well they can be either big or small, so them being small is not that big of a stretch.

Cubes are cubes, and any variety can produce fruits that look like that.

Just because they are small means nothing...I have had small GT, Z, and PE6 that look just like that.

Size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics.

(Please do not associate individual genetics with some name some vendor gave some group of spores some time ago)

This is the kind of info that confuses noobs, and makes them think the name of said variety actually matters, when in reality it does not.




I agree with everything you say.  As I said, I know that small fruits are by no means the rule.  I believe this is entirely the result of a limited genepool from a specific sponsor (I believe there are only two sponsors who carry spores labelled in this name) so all grows are stemming from that same sample of multispore genetics which just so happen to have a tendency to grow small fruits in typical amateur growing conditions. /breath

Edit when I said 'as I said' I meant in from whatever post that was a couple days ago.



Believing everything somebody says :laugh2:
Get some experience before giving advice
At least grow the strain out yourself one time:shrug:

If your Maz print is "authentic" you should expect full, heavy canopies of relatively small fruits.
If you guys are buying from a vendor and the results are different than claimed, IMO you should change vendors :facepalm3:
Trust me there are vendors that actually travel to other countries to gather genetics. To claim all vendors to be rip offs is just wrong.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19045440 - 10/28/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits.  People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.



Well they can be either big or small, so them being small is not that big of a stretch.

Cubes are cubes, and any variety can produce fruits that look like that.

Just because they are small means nothing...I have had small GT, Z, and PE6 that look just like that.

Size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics.

(Please do not associate individual genetics with some name some vendor gave some group of spores some time ago)

This is the kind of info that confuses noobs, and makes them think the name of said variety actually matters, when in reality it does not.




I agree with everything you say.  As I said, I know that small fruits are by no means the rule.  I believe this is entirely the result of a limited genepool from a specific sponsor (I believe there are only two sponsors who carry spores labelled in this name) so all grows are stemming from that same sample of multispore genetics which just so happen to have a tendency to grow small fruits in typical amateur growing conditions. /breath

Edit when I said 'as I said' I meant in from whatever post that was a couple days ago.



Believing everything somebody says :laugh2:
Get some experience before giving advice
At least grow the strain out yourself one time:shrug:

If your Maz print is "authentic" you should expect full, heavy canopies of relatively small fruits.
If you guys are buying from a vendor and the results are different than claimed, IMO you should change vendors :facepalm3:
Trust me there are vendors that actually travel to other countries to gather genetics. To claim all vendors to be rip offs is just wrong.




Are you talking to me skippydude?  Because I did grow them... And they were small.



Unfortunately the only pictures I have uploaded of them are the pins and then this one of some contaminated fruits a couple of the cakes got.  I know there are vendors who travel the world looking for prints.  What I'm saying is that I think the genepool available from vendors is pretty small and all stemming from a few samples. 

I agree with notahacker to the extent that if someone traveled back to that town in mexico I'm sure they could find samples of patches with large fruits.


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19045488 - 10/28/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My bad, I'll try not to be so sensitive :tearchalice:
I got a non-sponsor buddy that is a mycologist & botanist first and a vendor second.
The dude travels the world to bring back exotic edible, medicinal & active strains for you and me. The guy would never let his logo go on a fake print. Just want folks to know that it's true there are rip offs in all walks of life, but it's not cool judging all by the actions of a few. :peace:

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19045854 - 10/28/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If your Maz print is "authentic" you should expect full, heavy canopies of relatively small fruits.



On which flush?

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Trust me there are vendors that actually travel to other countries to gather genetics. To claim all vendors to be rip offs is just wrong.



No one claimed that....

And they travel to other countries to get prints, which are made up of millions of unpredictable genetics that have yet to be determined.

Just clarifying....

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19045860 - 10/28/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My bad, I'll try not to be so sensitive :tearchalice:
I got a non-sponsor buddy that is a mycologist & botanist first and a vendor second.
The dude travels the world to bring back exotic edible, medicinal & active strains for you and me.



You mean active varieties, not strains....

But you should know this.....

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
    #19045906 - 10/28/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The Maz gave consistent grows for me, full canopy flush after flush till contamination set in. Of course weight and fruit size diminishes as in later flushes as the nutrients are getting used up.

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    #19045953 - 10/28/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The Maz gave consistent grows for me, full canopy flush after flush till contamination set in. Of course weight and fruit size diminishes as in later flushes as the nutrients are getting used up.



And it differs for everybody I am sure....

With your logic it would be really hard to isolate a large fruiter from a Maz print....which I find unlikely....

You can isolate what you want in a strain, just like any other variety.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
    #19046085 - 10/28/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My current Maz grow is the middle pic in my sig...pretty nice pin set :crazy2:

Let's see how big they grow :shrug:

And I'm with hacker - I consider it pretty nonsensical to say Maz are small. If I clone the biggest from any grow and start another grow then the biggest from that etc are you telling me that I won't get decent size fruits? Or would they no longer be "Mazapatecs" :lol:


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Skinty]
    #19046160 - 10/28/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The pic in your sig is gorgeous by the way, if you get a super sized Maz fruit by means of isolation, I'd sure like a print for my library :thumbup:

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    #19046207 - 10/28/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The pic in your sig is gorgeous by the way, if you get a super sized Maz fruit by means of isolation, I'd sure like a print for my library :thumbup:



A print from an isolate means nothing....whatever comes from those spores would have nothing in common with the original isolate.

If you have Maz spores, it is totally possible for you to isolate a big fruiter...

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    #19046306 - 10/28/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The pic in your sig is gorgeous by the way :thumbup:




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    #19046385 - 10/28/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The pic in your sig is gorgeous by the way :thumbup:




:thanx:

Best pinset I've had...hope they grow big! Where u live? would happil send a print...



Generous offer, but here in "Alices Wonderland" we have all the cube prints we will ever need, (unless it's something special, of course).

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19046466 - 10/28/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You guys should know that FH says some of his best genetics came from Maz

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Skinty]
    #19046519 - 10/28/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My current Maz grow is the middle pic in my sig...pretty nice pin set :crazy2:

Let's see how big they grow :shrug:

And I'm with hacker - I consider it pretty nonsensical to say Maz are small. If I clone the biggest from any grow and start another grow then the biggest from that etc are you telling me that I won't get decent size fruits? Or would they no longer be "Mazapatecs" :lol:




Of course you could isolate and cull and clone until the only spores  that are being dropped tend to larger fruits.  As I have stated REPEATEDLY (and no one seems to understand me so apparently I'm terrible at communication and I'm sorry for that :frown: ) Small fruits of Maz are not the RULE.

I believe there is a small gene pool that SOME popular vendors are selling from, probably all stemming from the same or similar original samples. Maybe not all from the same cap, but maybe multiple caps from the same patch. Some vendors don't travel there themselves, they just order from another vendor, grow them out and get those spores, it's a simple and easy and by no means illegitimate way to increase the diversity of their stores.

I'm sure if you went back to Mexico and looked at every patch of maz from that part of the world you would find patches of both small and large. Hence Cubes remain cubes.

But most people get small fruits because they're all getting spores from the same original parent(s). Hence they are popularly 'known' to produce small fruits even though that isn't the rule.  It's simply the subjective experience of amateur growers using similar growing conditions and a small gene pool who's genetics tend to favor smaller fruits.

Is that clear?

That being said. I don't remember seeing any threads with them grown on manure.  Since most people grow them in similar conditions, pftek and verm/coir, I wonder if they would be bigger on poop.


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19046683 - 10/28/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I grew them on Hpoo
For me all cubes from Mexico produce smaller fruits not just Maz
This doesn't at all discourage me from growing them as I said they make up for size with quantity
The only thing I didn't enjoy was the longer harvest time because of so damn many fruits to cut the ends off of!

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19049767 - 10/28/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I grew them on Hpoo
For me all cubes from Mexico produce smaller fruits not just Maz
This doesn't at all discourage me from growing them as I said they make up for size with quantity
The only thing I didn't enjoy was the longer harvest time because of so damn many fruits to cut the ends off of!




I had the same experience here.  Most numerous and even pinset I've ever had on PF cakes.  It made it really difficult to discern when the flushes were over because pins just kept popping up all the time.


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19050533 - 10/29/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Final weight for my first flush is around an ounce n a half dry. I have a bunch of little tiny pins that aren't gonna grow or aren't showing any activity, do I do anything with those before I rehydrate my substrate?

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #19050558 - 10/29/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do you need to rehydrate the sub? How heavy is the tub? I usually don't bother to dunk until after the second flush at the earliest.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19050757 - 10/29/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't think I'm gonna dunk it but spray it down pretty good. It's a mini mono n the sub isn't as deep as I'd hoped. Only like 3". Idk the later fruits in the first flush seemed pretty small so I figured it was do to a lack in water.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
    #19051074 - 10/29/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't think I'm gonna dunk it but spray it down pretty good. It's a mini mono n the sub isn't as deep as I'd hoped. Only like 3". Idk the later fruits in the first flush seemed pretty small so I figured it was do to a lack in water.



This is a good harvest for a mini-mono :thumbup:
3" is the perfect depth :thumbup:
"You did everything right" :thumbup:
More water would likely have been too much and spoiled it :thumbdown:

The small fruit size is genetic and trying to tweak your grow to compensate and force larger fruits is IMO futile :goodluck: As previously stated you'd need to print and grow the biggest fruits(quite a few times) to eventually get consistent bigger fruits

Although misting increases for me during the second flush, I too rarely dunk until the 2nd flush is harvested.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
    #19052516 - 10/29/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well take from it what you will but my 1st flush of Maz are pretty tiny and disappointing - although that could be explained by the number of shrooms. Here's a pic - have harvested the caps off many to let the rest catch up :thumbup:



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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19061506 - 10/31/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Haha so I went the safe route and just harvested everything with a broken veil this is what I got =)



I'm considering takin them for a test drive tonight lol




Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits.  People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.




Yeah, you are semi-right about that. Heres some small fruits I grew way back when...




HOWEVER, I have also had the largest shrooms Ive ever grown, and they were Mazatecs





The last photo of the three here was the biggest one (its also the same as the time-lapsed image). It was so big, the cap had a diameter about 1.5 times the diameter of the PF cake itself. It was huge.

Mazatecs are my favorite shrooms Ive done, and I have done them more than any other strain.


I have a running theory of why this happened. When I had the little mushrooms, the moisture level in the FC was high. BUT, when I grew those large ones, I was early in my growing, and I used a space heater (the electric ones by the floor) to heat up the FC. I also used an airstone with a air pump on top of the perlite, which likely dried the air even more. Inside the FC was real dry, especially from the dry heat of the space heater.

My theory is drier fruiting conditions "stresses" the mycelium to grow just a few large mushrooms. Then in wet conditions, it encourages lots of smaller mushrooms.

I have yet to attempt a controlled experiment to further support this theory, but haven't gotten to it. In time, I will thou.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #19061529 - 10/31/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Those mushrooms show no signs of being in a dry climate, to me anyways.

Fruit size is dependant upon moisture content and genetics.

Genetics cannot be determined by a name of a variety.

You can find small fruit producing genetics in any variety, and the same goes for massive fruit producers.

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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
    #19061625 - 10/31/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well my Maz had small fruits but made up for in in total mass - 6.5oz from 1st flush...can't wait to try them :lol:


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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Skinty]
    #19084204 - 11/04/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So the second flush came and went harvested yesterday =)



Neglected it this time a bit as far as pics go. It dried out pretty decent so I did mist it down. Next day pins and fruits a few days later. The fruits seemed to be larger this time the biggest around 5in tall with like a 2.5 in cap, there was quite a few of similar size. It went the other side of the spectrum with larger but fewer fruits though. I believe the weight will be similar to the first flush so I'm still pleased =)

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    #19084384 - 11/04/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I quit growing Mazetapecs specifically because of all the small fruits. Tub after tub of beautiful full canopies, yet probably hundreds of mushrooms no more than a few inches high. The total yield was the same as any other cube, but they took so much more time to pick and clean it was just a pita. I'd spend upwards of an hour or two per flush!

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