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OfflineTwinEclipse
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Re: making music [Re: filmoe]
    #18867632 - 09/20/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I recommend downloading vst's..the stock ones aren't as clean...you need to equalize it to get the sound you want, and enable blood overdrive.

For kick, drums...I turn up the lows and completely cut off right in the middle of the mids.

For snare, high hat, clicks, I COMPLETELY CUT off everything up to the middle. I turn up the highs.

Also, I turn down the limiter for each track.

Modifying the sound like this really gives an extra OMPH to your tracks. Your tracks sound completely clear meshed together due to separation of lows(drum,kick) and highs(synthesizer/high hat/etc)

And what I love is hearing the bass so clearly in the background.


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Re: making music [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18867641 - 09/20/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

some technically sound, good advise. ^ :thumbup:


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Re: making music [Re: TwinEclipse] * 1
    #18867730 - 09/20/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Waves plugins FTW!

VST's&VSTi's I use:

-Waves audio plugins

-NI Battery/Absynth 5/Massive/FM8

-Morphine/Harmor/Harmless/Sytrus(FL Studio's native synths)
-Sylenth, CamelAudio Alchemy, Zebra1&2, Rob Papen Albino 3

-looots of random fx VST's

DAW's and external audio&other devices:

-FL Studio 10, sometimes Logic Pro(for livesets&DJing it's Ableton Live)

-M-Audio FW410

-Akai MPD32&Korg Nanokey(for MIDI ctrlling)

Plus a shitload of samples

I'd love to have a Roland JP-8080 or some other HW synth, had one for a while and it was :Awemazing:


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867733 - 09/20/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867743 - 09/20/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I just don't think reason is a starting place. I think one needs to learn all about music production first by starting in fl studio. In FL you can minimalize everying, get rid of alot of the crap that isn't needed on the daw in the settings and download a few great vst and some effects. I can be specific if you want? So make it very minimal only use like 1 or 2 vst for your synthesis and a few drum sample kits and you can get all the material to put together a great track with just that.


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Re: making music [Re: filmoe]
    #18867754 - 09/20/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

you're probably right about that. i started on FL too; makes sense.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867770 - 09/20/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
PS: Dankhead, if you wanna hear some cool "real live" music, check this thread out.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18860683#18860683

or these ones

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18700975/fpart/1/vc/1

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18701367#18701367




I think your daily sarcasm limit has been reached. Thanks anyways.


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Re: making music [Re: Snotfish]
    #18867780 - 09/20/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

what? because i put some words in quotes? dude, that's retarded. i was serious, and i post in those threads alot. dude, fuck you. you're asshole limit has been reached.  :gaycrankey:

if you're gonna use the ridiculous terms you use to justify your hating on electronic music, i was gonna use those same terms to get you to maybe look into some non-electronic music. sorry, i used your own outlook, against you. :braindamage:


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867806 - 09/20/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This thread got me thinking on how many tracks, samplers and fx slots I use on average:

Last track I made had little over 100 instrument/sampler tracks, 57 mixer tracks(each with app. 3-5 fx slots in use), and there were 168 pattern clips containing piano roll or automated events

Then there's some tracks that I've made, that have maybe 1/3 of that amount :lol:


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Re: making music [Re: rulesq]
    #18867850 - 09/20/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

gotta use all you can, man, to make it the best you can.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867898 - 09/20/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

To a certain point yes.. There was a time when I did everything way more complex than I really needed to, luckily I was called out on this and pointed to a better direction :super:

Shit that I've found extremely useful:

Regardless of your DAW, ALWAYS learn and USE hotkeys. They save up a huge amount of time.

Save your projects as much as possible, preferrably a new version every time(this is a lifesaver if your computer/DAW crashes due to VSTi&some other failure), so you can always go back to an previous/older version.

I'll post more soon..


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867902 - 09/20/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
what? because i put some words in quotes? dude, that's retarded. i was serious, and i post in those threads alot. dude, fuck you. you're asshole limit has been reached.  :gaycrankey:

if you're gonna use the ridiculous terms you use to justify your hating on electronic music, i was gonna use those same terms to get you to maybe look into some non-electronic music. sorry, i used your own outlook, against you. :braindamage:




Yeah... feeling feisty today? Re-read what you typed to me and know that the first song I clicked on in those links was a 9 minute progressive song trying way too hard to be different.


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Re: making music [Re: rulesq]
    #18867912 - 09/20/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

good pointers.  :yeahthatsright:
Quote:

Dankfish said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
what? because i put some words in quotes? dude, that's retarded. i was serious, and i post in those threads alot. dude, fuck you. you're asshole limit has been reached.  :gaycrankey:

if you're gonna use the ridiculous terms you use to justify your hating on electronic music, i was gonna use those same terms to get you to maybe look into some non-electronic music. sorry, i used your own outlook, against you. :braindamage:




Yeah... feeling feisty today? Re-read what you typed to me and know that the first song I clicked on in those links was a 9 minute progressive song trying way too hard to be different.



trying way to hard? so i guess you're a deadhead or something eh? there is alot of Prog Rock and Avant Garde out there. a lot more then there is Rock & Roll. i love all types of music. just because you're closeminded, doesn't mean i'm being sarcastic.

i mean, just look at what i'm listening to right now.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18867882#18867882

Morton Feldman? WHOS THAT? :toomuchacid:
PS: i was way "feistier" yesterday, and now i've got trolls on my ass. you're not the first scum i've had to wipe of my shoe today, dude guy. :curbyourenthusiasm:

PSS: you're supposed to LOOK THROUGH THE THREAD and find something you like if you can. you didn't even try. that's being CLOSED MINDED.  :goodluckwiththat2:


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Re: making music [Re: berdinwall]
    #18867925 - 09/20/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sing all the time, every day. Take up an instrument of some kind preferably no later than age 10 or so. Oh, you missed that boat? Better sing more then. Your voice is everyone's primary instrument.

The VST/DAW vs hardware argument is stupid. Ideally you're using both plus classic instruments.

A big advantage of having a little hardware that no one seems to have mentioned is that it will get you going hands on with the workflows you need to use to get a finished product. If you have a synth or a drum mic'ed up into an SP-X0X or other easy to use hardware sampler then run that through an fx pedal or looper you will quickly learn about sequencing, signal routing, modulation and how to use things creatively in ways they weren't necessarily intended.

FL Studio or even an older Fruity Loops version is by far the easiest DAW software to use to learn how to do step sequencing, piano roll editing and a little bit of signal routing and fx modulation. It's no good for recording, at least last time I used it several years ago. Ableton is no good for audio recording either, whoever said it was great for "live recording" is wrong. It's great for live performance applications though. Logic, Cubase, Sonar, ProTools, all of these will have steep learning curves and don't even bother with them unless you're dedicated. I have heard Reaper is more simple to use but still fully featured and it is much cheaper than all the rest of the fully featured DAWs so if you serious about recording and mixing audio signals that might be a good place to start. If you want to create everything inside the computer using sample packs and drum synths and crap good luck not making utterly generic stuff. You'd better have your own vision, a passion for your own creative contribution and lots of time to learn otherwise don't bother. The world doesn't need more generic EDM tracks.


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Re: making music [Re: Viveka]
    #18867927 - 09/20/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

it was a stupid argument. ALL I MEANT was that hardware is awesome, nuff said. (not that it really was an argument, note that in my post referenced as "argument" i said "GET VSTs" followed by "or better yet". id didnt say either or was better then the other. i hate being misunderstood)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18865586#18865586

^ see above


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867974 - 09/20/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Doesn't look to me like you started a DAW vs hardware argument. You were just the first to mention that it's good to have some hardware in your workflow too, which I agree with. My favorite electronic music almost always incorporates live instruments or electronics run through an interesting signal chain. Shit, look at Richard D. James, he built his own oddball instruments and his own oddball hardware electronics but it all comes together inside of Logic or whatever the fuck DAW he uses or coded from scratch whilst lucid dreaming inside his tank on a roundabout somewhere in England.


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Re: making music [Re: Viveka]
    #18867987 - 09/20/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:drooling: < me thinking about RDJ's setup. the guys a freaking ... ahhh i've said it too much, but he and many other geniuses. :sad:

fucking seriously. where is that pic...?

damn, i can't find the one where there is fucking coils and coils of wires sprawled out all across his crazy studio room.

so i opted for this instead.

mecha-genius.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18868017 - 09/20/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

sorry akira, I don't feel like sitting through hours of slow moving rock at the moment. I'll check the jazz thread later..

And also, I'm just sitting at a computer at the moment, not scum being wiped off your shoe.. There is your sarcasm.

I'm so narrow-minded I forgot to breath for a second, thankfully I opened up my mind and became a genius who can breath.


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Re: making music [Re: Snotfish]
    #18868100 - 09/20/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

well, your explanation and the fact that you're at least gonna try and check out the Jazz thread, makes me think you're not so close minded anymore. i can understand not wanting to listen something when you're not in the mood, trust me. there is alot of hot air in some of those threads, because i love ostentatious music. not everybody does though, nor does everyone have time for it.

PS: the scum thing was more for the trolls, i was talking about. sorry to equate you to that, but your post was rather filled with pomp and circumstance, too, wasn't it? a bit? wahtever dude. it's all gravy.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18868127 - 09/20/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus, is he on his knees in that photo? Or did he just crawl halfway out of a sleeping bag? It's like he's compelled by forces more powerful than hunger to squeeze pure music out of these machines. I love how there's remnants of food and drink just tucked to the side there.


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