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Hyphal Knotting and pinset
    #18866168 - 09/20/13 03:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hello friends.

I'm working on my first mono and recently i noticed a nice healthy amount of knotting. Since then, only ~20 have come to actually pin.

Did i mess with pinning triggers? I'm not sure if my mono is dialed in, and sometimes i notice its quite warm (though my polyfil holes have normal looking rings) inside and the walls are mostly wet.

When i feel the warmth i fan it out real quick. There are droplets of water on the substrate surface (i misted a few times only, out of about a week.

anyone got any idea why my pinset might be poor??

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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18866192 - 09/20/13 04:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What is the substrate?

Is there a higher amount of Hpoo?
Is it just verm and coco?

These can be issues with the maturation of the knots.

What is the lighting like?  LED?  or ambient? Cutout, or mostly dark?

Have you increased Air exchange?

Does the mono use poly-stuffing?

Did you increase air exchange to allow for pin development?

How many hours has it been 4 or 20 since the knotting was developed and even across the casing?

Not all the knots will develop.  If conditions are right a great deal of them will though and fill out nicely.  This also depends on the nutrition in the substrate and what is available to fruit.

Is the substrate airy or is it firm, heavy, waterlogged, and like sludge?

Did you have any trich?

There is a lot more to look at before finding a solution.  I need a bit more information.

For now...  Try more air exchange and if the sub is dry water it or mist it heavily to add moisture content.


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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: mastercultivator]
    #18866249 - 09/20/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for your reply. i'll have my responses in bold!


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What is the substrate?
coir, straw, verm and gypsum.

Is there a higher amount of Hpoo?
No HPoo

Is it just verm and coco?
and straw and gypsum.

These can be issues with the maturation of the knots.

What is the lighting like?  LED?  or ambient? Cutout, or mostly dark?
I have two 1600 Lumen (i think 26w) 6500k CFLs pointing at it from 11am-11pm daily. some ambient light from sunrise is present, but not much

Have you increased Air exchange?
On two sides of the mono i have 5 holes at about 1/4" each. 3 on top, 2 on bottom. bottom is stuffed, top is loose. on one side i have removed the polyfil from one of the holes.

Does the mono use poly-stuffing?
yes, except for the one 1/4" hole.

Did you increase air exchange to allow for pin development?
yeah i try to fan it to keep the stagnant air out (i consider stagnant air very warm and humid air when i put my hand into the mono). i also have a fan that helps circulate air int he room. the fan is not pointed directly at the mono and it is about 8-10 feet away

How many hours has it been 4 or 20 since the knotting was developed and even across the casing?
probably more than 20. i have some fruits that will tear veils within the next day or two.

Not all the knots will develop.  If conditions are right a great deal of them will though and fill out nicely.  This also depends on the nutrition in the substrate and what is available to fruit.
i think that the nutes are good. conditions are what i'm concerned about. the fruits that are there now seem typical, one 'bigger' one (not a monster though) and a couple of small ones i picked because the veil broke. i would say that less than 8% of the surface area has pinned. I expect a significantly larger amount to be pinning.

Is the substrate airy or is it firm, heavy, waterlogged, and like sludge?
i havent touched it too much but it is mostly coir and straw... so its pretty airy. i assume it is not waterlogged, and definitely not sludge.

Did you have any trich?
No contamination apparent.

There is a lot more to look at before finding a solution.  I need a bit more information.

For now...  Try more air exchange and if the sub is dry water it or mist it heavily to add moisture content.
i'll try to increase the frequency fanning/possibly take out more polyfil (please refer to photos).






Here are some photos....

Overall shot


Closeup of where some knotting can be seen. this knotting is visible throughout most of the mono, and has been since the other knots have turned into the fruits you see.


another closeup of knotting.


my polyfil setup. I dont have anything that will make larger than a 1/4" hole. thats why i made three on top. i can take another 1-2 out of you think it will be beneficial.



thanks a lot, again.
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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18866318 - 09/20/13 06:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Definitely needs more FAE, crack the lid open about 1-2" at an angle and set on top if you need to.


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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: klak1212]
    #18867464 - 09/20/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

ah gotcha. i'll open up another hole or two. hopefully that helps.


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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18867659 - 09/20/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If your holes are 1/4" then another hole or 2 is not going to help. Recommended hole size is 1.5" and you want 6 of them on your tub. That's a total area of 10.6 square inches. It would take slightly over 200 1/4" holes to achieve that area


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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #18868257 - 09/20/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

^ haha thanks; thats good to know! For now i'll just crack the lid and make sure there is no stagnant air, and try to make sure there is moisture in there.


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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18868353 - 09/20/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No problem. I believe I read something somewhere about a person leaving the lid cracked and keeping a light real close to the tub because the heat would cause air currents through the corners where the lid was cracked, thus providing more FAE. I'll try and find a link for you


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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #18868387 - 09/20/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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bulkgrownoob said:
No problem. I believe I read something somewhere about a person leaving the lid cracked and keeping a light real close to the tub because the heat would cause air currents through the corners where the lid was cracked, thus providing more FAE. I'll try and find a link for you




yeah i know exactly what you're talking about! that one inspired me to do a hole-less monotub, but i made small holes instead. perhaps i'll adapt his tek to improve mine a bit more.

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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18868406 - 09/20/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No problem. I couldn't find it by the way but apparently you know what I was talking about anyway so try it out and good luck


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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #18870211 - 09/20/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

ah, one more question......

if i start to do this right now (mid of first flush) will they still pin? i dont see why not, but some people seem particular about when they harvest and how they initiate pinning.

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Re: Hyphal Knotting and pinset [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18881458 - 09/23/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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psilocybebonsai said:
ah, one more question......

if i start to do this right now (mid of first flush) will they still pin? i dont see why not, but some people seem particular about when they harvest and how they initiate pinning.

thanks
P. Bonsai :crazy2:




For some reason I didn't see this post when you put it up :shrug:
Yes they will still pin. It will just be a little more uneven of a pinset. Personally if I were you I'd go get myself a 1.5 inch hole bit then tape up those 1/4" holes you have and follow this tek to get your conditions right http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777


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