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Offlineberdinwall
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    #18865564 - 09/19/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

can someone recommend good music making software?

something that's not very tedious like fruity loops...or maybe more efficient ways to use programs like these?

I guess I'm asking what's the most common way the electro musicians on here create their stuff?


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Re: making music [Re: berdinwall]
    #18865567 - 09/19/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

buying lots of gear, which is still tedious to use. sorry. :shrug:


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18865572 - 09/19/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

mpc's aren't tedious...I can't afford one though...shit you could probably record an album in one go on one of those magical tools


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Re: making music [Re: berdinwall]
    #18865586 - 09/19/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

need more then that to make good tunes, man.

i'd go with a good DAW, a nice sampler/sequencer/drum machine, a good midi keyboard with some nice VSTs or better yet an ACTUAL synthesizer, and a microphone/recorder for found sounds and sampling stuff.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18865596 - 09/19/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm determined to prove you wrong lol...

I've heard some decent stuff strictly made from computer software...like ableton or fruityloops. was just curious if there was some newer programs out there that have made the process more simple


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18865602 - 09/19/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

All you really need is a good DAW. You can still make quality tunes with out any hardware.

Ableton is a really great program for this. VST's work great it in, it's leading in sample warping capabilities as well as it's audio to midi function.
Really easy to use once you get the initial hang of it. Watch some tutorials and it'll come easier to ya


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill]
    #18865622 - 09/19/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

you can make boring redundant stuff on a DAW, without any real hardware, sure.


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill]
    #18865631 - 09/19/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

good to hear! I've got some ideas I wanna bring into the world


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18865640 - 09/19/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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you can make boring redundant stuff on a DAW, without any real hardware, sure.




What? Everything you can buy in hardware, they have a VST for. Sure hardware makes everything easier to use and more efficient, but to say that it can't be done without it is somewhat ignorant.
Plenty of top EDM producers today produce without much more than a drum machine, or a midi keyboard. Both being optional pieces of equipment.


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill]
    #18865683 - 09/19/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

also sounds way better too. VSTs sound like garbage compared to real hardware devices. you can add all the compression and EQ you want, still ain't gonna sound as good as if you did that with a full stereo setup and mics, using the output of a REAL instrument.

especially if it's a nice analog synth. then you get, WHHHAM instead of WHIIR

hey, not saying you can't make music that matters on just a DAW. i'm just saying real equipment is better, handsdown.


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill] * 1
    #18865707 - 09/19/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Minimum would be 1) A sequencer 2) A soft synth 3) A DAW program like to record the tracks etc.  A very basic and cheap sequencer to set up, and output, sound, is Guitar Pro 6.  For the price it is pretty good, and it contains a 'Real SOund Engine of some good samples.

You also want to have a good sound card with low latency, especially if you want to work live.

My present set up is Guitar Pro 6, EMU-Emulator X3 (soft-synth and sampler) Reason (soft-synth) Steinberg Cubase 5 (DAW) Steinberg Wavelab Lite for mixdown, and Addictive Drums (Drum Software Program) 

For basic hardware, not including effects, I have an EMU-1616m sound card which is a DSP based sound card with a break out box, and A UAD-2 DSP card with VST effects. 

If you are going to get serious, get a sound card with ASIO and avoid the microsoft crap.


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Re: making music [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18865721 - 09/19/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Agh I forgot to mention soundcards. Need that. haha

My current set up is: Ableton Live Suite 9, Reason 5, Oxygen-25 midi keyboard, Yamaha full midi keyboard, Midi Fighter Spectra, Ableton Launch Pad (wanna get that push so bad) and a few sets of speakers. With an old amp. haha


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill]
    #18865742 - 09/19/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

IF you can find one on E-bay, those fucking EMU-1616 sound cards are fucking awesome.  They require quite a learning curve to use but once you figure them out, they cant be beat at the price.  they are going for around $200 on E-bay noe.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18865743 - 09/19/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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also sounds way better too. VSTs sound like garbage compared to real hardware devices. you can add all the compression and EQ you want, still ain't gonna sound as good as if you did that with a full stereo setup and mics, using the output of a REAL instrument.

especially if it's a nice analog synth. then you get, WHHHAM instead of WHIIR

hey, not saying you can't make music that matters on just a DAW. i'm just saying real equipment is better, handsdown.




Total BS. Top of the line VST software sounds just as good as analog. But additionally is vastly more versatile in its ability to be automated and modulated in any possible way that can be displayed by data in the entire realm of 20-20khz. Analog can do whats in its circuits.


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Re: making music [Re: twighead]
    #18865774 - 09/19/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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also sounds way better too. VSTs sound like garbage compared to real hardware devices. you can add all the compression and EQ you want, still ain't gonna sound as good as if you did that with a full stereo setup and mics, using the output of a REAL instrument.

especially if it's a nice analog synth. then you get, WHHHAM instead of WHIIR

hey, not saying you can't make music that matters on just a DAW. i'm just saying real equipment is better, handsdown.




Total BS. Top of the line VST software sounds just as good as analog. But additionally is vastly more versatile in its ability to be automated and modulated in any possible way that can be displayed by data in the entire realm of 20-20khz. Analog can do whats in its circuits.





Totally agree with Twighead.  Whether or not you can get top sound out of VST depends on your hardware, the quality of your samples, but in the end it boils down to how good of a ound engineer you are. 

Im using Univeral Audio VST plugins--I just started using them when I got the UAD-2 DSP card--and they are so flexible that it is going to take a long time to learn them.  Just the Neve 88 channel strips sound like high end recording channels in a studio.


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Re: making music [Re: twighead]
    #18865906 - 09/20/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i'm going to have to argue the opposite, generally hardware sounds like shit, and i'm pretty sure no one uses them anymore.  You can maybe bang out a little tune or a little rythm on a midi controller, but if you want to be good at making electronic music you must have an unimaginable level of detail and control.

I'm telling you noob, the level of understanding you need to be good is unimaginable to you now.

no hardware is going to give you that level of control.


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Re: making music [Re: twighead]
    #18866348 - 09/20/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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also sounds way better too. VSTs sound like garbage compared to real hardware devices. you can add all the compression and EQ you want, still ain't gonna sound as good as if you did that with a full stereo setup and mics, using the output of a REAL instrument.

especially if it's a nice analog synth. then you get, WHHHAM instead of WHIIR

hey, not saying you can't make music that matters on just a DAW. i'm just saying real equipment is better, handsdown.




Total BS. Top of the line VST software sounds just as good as analog. But additionally is vastly more versatile in its ability to be automated and modulated in any possible way that can be displayed by data in the entire realm of 20-20khz. Analog can do whats in its circuits.



did i say don't use VSTs? cause it seems like you think i did.

they BOTH have their USES, and analog equipment sounds infinitely better, with actual full waveformat. don't tell me i'm bsing. :justno:


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18866391 - 09/20/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Type

Fruity loops torrent on google.

Select the one with bays of pirates.

Download.

I enjoy using the software, but it requires some tutorials on YouTube to get the most out of it.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18866420 - 09/20/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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twighead said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
also sounds way better too. VSTs sound like garbage compared to real hardware devices. you can add all the compression and EQ you want, still ain't gonna sound as good as if you did that with a full stereo setup and mics, using the output of a REAL instrument.

especially if it's a nice analog synth. then you get, WHHHAM instead of WHIIR

hey, not saying you can't make music that matters on just a DAW. i'm just saying real equipment is better, handsdown.




Total BS. Top of the line VST software sounds just as good as analog. But additionally is vastly more versatile in its ability to be automated and modulated in any possible way that can be displayed by data in the entire realm of 20-20khz. Analog can do whats in its circuits.



did i say don't use VSTs? cause it seems like you think i did.

they BOTH have their USES, and analog equipment sounds infinitely better, with actual full waveformat. don't tell me i'm bsing. :justno:




Nawww. It doesn't. Sounds the same. Unless you use really shitty VSTs which it seems you do.


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Re: making music [Re: twighead]
    #18866435 - 09/20/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

whoa, no need to get offended bro.

i use Machine, my native instrument VSTs are among some of the best, so please, :stfu:

i use VSTs for modelling sounds, like i do samples. but it's clear that using an actual synth device such as Future Retro for example, has infinitely less properties, but sounds immensely fuller in sound and capacity for it's effects, then a VST.

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Type

Fruity loops torrent on google.

Select the one with bays of pirates.

Download.

I enjoy using the software, but it requires some tutorials on YouTube to get the most out of it.


i would use Reason. Fruity Loops is crap.


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