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    #18865564 - 09/19/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

can someone recommend good music making software?

something that's not very tedious like fruity loops...or maybe more efficient ways to use programs like these?

I guess I'm asking what's the most common way the electro musicians on here create their stuff?


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Re: making music [Re: berdinwall]
    #18865567 - 09/19/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

buying lots of gear, which is still tedious to use. sorry. :shrug:


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18865572 - 09/19/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

mpc's aren't tedious...I can't afford one though...shit you could probably record an album in one go on one of those magical tools


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Re: making music [Re: berdinwall]
    #18865586 - 09/19/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

need more then that to make good tunes, man.

i'd go with a good DAW, a nice sampler/sequencer/drum machine, a good midi keyboard with some nice VSTs or better yet an ACTUAL synthesizer, and a microphone/recorder for found sounds and sampling stuff.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18865596 - 09/19/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm determined to prove you wrong lol...

I've heard some decent stuff strictly made from computer software...like ableton or fruityloops. was just curious if there was some newer programs out there that have made the process more simple


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18865602 - 09/19/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

All you really need is a good DAW. You can still make quality tunes with out any hardware.

Ableton is a really great program for this. VST's work great it in, it's leading in sample warping capabilities as well as it's audio to midi function.
Really easy to use once you get the initial hang of it. Watch some tutorials and it'll come easier to ya


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill]
    #18865622 - 09/19/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you can make boring redundant stuff on a DAW, without any real hardware, sure.


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill]
    #18865631 - 09/19/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

good to hear! I've got some ideas I wanna bring into the world


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18865640 - 09/19/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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you can make boring redundant stuff on a DAW, without any real hardware, sure.




What? Everything you can buy in hardware, they have a VST for. Sure hardware makes everything easier to use and more efficient, but to say that it can't be done without it is somewhat ignorant.
Plenty of top EDM producers today produce without much more than a drum machine, or a midi keyboard. Both being optional pieces of equipment.


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill]
    #18865683 - 09/19/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

also sounds way better too. VSTs sound like garbage compared to real hardware devices. you can add all the compression and EQ you want, still ain't gonna sound as good as if you did that with a full stereo setup and mics, using the output of a REAL instrument.

especially if it's a nice analog synth. then you get, WHHHAM instead of WHIIR

hey, not saying you can't make music that matters on just a DAW. i'm just saying real equipment is better, handsdown.


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill] * 1
    #18865707 - 09/19/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Minimum would be 1) A sequencer 2) A soft synth 3) A DAW program like to record the tracks etc.  A very basic and cheap sequencer to set up, and output, sound, is Guitar Pro 6.  For the price it is pretty good, and it contains a 'Real SOund Engine of some good samples.

You also want to have a good sound card with low latency, especially if you want to work live.

My present set up is Guitar Pro 6, EMU-Emulator X3 (soft-synth and sampler) Reason (soft-synth) Steinberg Cubase 5 (DAW) Steinberg Wavelab Lite for mixdown, and Addictive Drums (Drum Software Program) 

For basic hardware, not including effects, I have an EMU-1616m sound card which is a DSP based sound card with a break out box, and A UAD-2 DSP card with VST effects. 

If you are going to get serious, get a sound card with ASIO and avoid the microsoft crap.


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Re: making music [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18865721 - 09/19/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Agh I forgot to mention soundcards. Need that. haha

My current set up is: Ableton Live Suite 9, Reason 5, Oxygen-25 midi keyboard, Yamaha full midi keyboard, Midi Fighter Spectra, Ableton Launch Pad (wanna get that push so bad) and a few sets of speakers. With an old amp. haha


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill]
    #18865742 - 09/19/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IF you can find one on E-bay, those fucking EMU-1616 sound cards are fucking awesome.  They require quite a learning curve to use but once you figure them out, they cant be beat at the price.  they are going for around $200 on E-bay noe.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18865743 - 09/19/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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also sounds way better too. VSTs sound like garbage compared to real hardware devices. you can add all the compression and EQ you want, still ain't gonna sound as good as if you did that with a full stereo setup and mics, using the output of a REAL instrument.

especially if it's a nice analog synth. then you get, WHHHAM instead of WHIIR

hey, not saying you can't make music that matters on just a DAW. i'm just saying real equipment is better, handsdown.




Total BS. Top of the line VST software sounds just as good as analog. But additionally is vastly more versatile in its ability to be automated and modulated in any possible way that can be displayed by data in the entire realm of 20-20khz. Analog can do whats in its circuits.


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Re: making music [Re: twighead]
    #18865774 - 09/19/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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also sounds way better too. VSTs sound like garbage compared to real hardware devices. you can add all the compression and EQ you want, still ain't gonna sound as good as if you did that with a full stereo setup and mics, using the output of a REAL instrument.

especially if it's a nice analog synth. then you get, WHHHAM instead of WHIIR

hey, not saying you can't make music that matters on just a DAW. i'm just saying real equipment is better, handsdown.




Total BS. Top of the line VST software sounds just as good as analog. But additionally is vastly more versatile in its ability to be automated and modulated in any possible way that can be displayed by data in the entire realm of 20-20khz. Analog can do whats in its circuits.





Totally agree with Twighead.  Whether or not you can get top sound out of VST depends on your hardware, the quality of your samples, but in the end it boils down to how good of a ound engineer you are. 

Im using Univeral Audio VST plugins--I just started using them when I got the UAD-2 DSP card--and they are so flexible that it is going to take a long time to learn them.  Just the Neve 88 channel strips sound like high end recording channels in a studio.


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Re: making music [Re: twighead]
    #18865906 - 09/20/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i'm going to have to argue the opposite, generally hardware sounds like shit, and i'm pretty sure no one uses them anymore.  You can maybe bang out a little tune or a little rythm on a midi controller, but if you want to be good at making electronic music you must have an unimaginable level of detail and control.

I'm telling you noob, the level of understanding you need to be good is unimaginable to you now.

no hardware is going to give you that level of control.


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Re: making music [Re: twighead]
    #18866348 - 09/20/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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also sounds way better too. VSTs sound like garbage compared to real hardware devices. you can add all the compression and EQ you want, still ain't gonna sound as good as if you did that with a full stereo setup and mics, using the output of a REAL instrument.

especially if it's a nice analog synth. then you get, WHHHAM instead of WHIIR

hey, not saying you can't make music that matters on just a DAW. i'm just saying real equipment is better, handsdown.




Total BS. Top of the line VST software sounds just as good as analog. But additionally is vastly more versatile in its ability to be automated and modulated in any possible way that can be displayed by data in the entire realm of 20-20khz. Analog can do whats in its circuits.



did i say don't use VSTs? cause it seems like you think i did.

they BOTH have their USES, and analog equipment sounds infinitely better, with actual full waveformat. don't tell me i'm bsing. :justno:


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18866391 - 09/20/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Fruity loops torrent on google.

Select the one with bays of pirates.

Download.

I enjoy using the software, but it requires some tutorials on YouTube to get the most out of it.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18866420 - 09/20/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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also sounds way better too. VSTs sound like garbage compared to real hardware devices. you can add all the compression and EQ you want, still ain't gonna sound as good as if you did that with a full stereo setup and mics, using the output of a REAL instrument.

especially if it's a nice analog synth. then you get, WHHHAM instead of WHIIR

hey, not saying you can't make music that matters on just a DAW. i'm just saying real equipment is better, handsdown.




Total BS. Top of the line VST software sounds just as good as analog. But additionally is vastly more versatile in its ability to be automated and modulated in any possible way that can be displayed by data in the entire realm of 20-20khz. Analog can do whats in its circuits.



did i say don't use VSTs? cause it seems like you think i did.

they BOTH have their USES, and analog equipment sounds infinitely better, with actual full waveformat. don't tell me i'm bsing. :justno:




Nawww. It doesn't. Sounds the same. Unless you use really shitty VSTs which it seems you do.


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Re: making music [Re: twighead]
    #18866435 - 09/20/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

whoa, no need to get offended bro.

i use Machine, my native instrument VSTs are among some of the best, so please, :stfu:

i use VSTs for modelling sounds, like i do samples. but it's clear that using an actual synth device such as Future Retro for example, has infinitely less properties, but sounds immensely fuller in sound and capacity for it's effects, then a VST.

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Type

Fruity loops torrent on google.

Select the one with bays of pirates.

Download.

I enjoy using the software, but it requires some tutorials on YouTube to get the most out of it.


i would use Reason. Fruity Loops is crap.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18866442 - 09/20/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Reason? I will look it up.

Been having fruity loops for years. I would like to try other software. I have a HUGE library full of sounds I like in fruity loops though. :awehigh: the plugins for DnB are sick


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Re: making music [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18866498 - 09/20/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fruity Loops is fine. i used it too, before. i'm still using it for chopping samples, it's got the most comprehensive file switching; i can use anything from MP3 format, and i don't have to do any converting myself, for using samples in it.

it's definitely got it's ups to keep it, if you're getting this shit from torrents.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18866614 - 09/20/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Use Logic or Ableton Live. Both r great.


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Re: making music [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18866623 - 09/20/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ableton's getting better. Robert Henke is a genius.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18866829 - 09/20/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've used both Ableton and Reason a lot, and Ableton is far more complex are as long as you have some good vst's you'll be able to produce far better on it compared to Reason.
Reason has great stock synths and instruments, but is lacking in sampling capabilities, and I find it difficult to master my tracks in it.


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill]
    #18866842 - 09/20/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i find it easy enough to master my tracks, but that's why i moved on to Native Instruments. seems to have more features, better mastering tools, and great for sampling.

Ableton is great for certain things like live recordings and such, really good for that... it's just something i don't do much yet. besides, my Maschine from NI is great for live recording too.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867055 - 09/20/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How about picking up a guitar, keyboard, bass or even drum set? Or fucking any real instrument besides this electronic bullshit that is relentlessly floating into the music field.

I'm sorry, as a musician I am very ill-posed towards this whole electronic thing.

Disregard my post, it's straight rant.

But take into consideration of what these electronic notes really are. Fuck you, electricity.


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    #18867071 - 09/20/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i agree that having the instruments would serve on well.

i plan on getting a sax and bass soon, and fixing up my drum set, getting a new foot pedal and some new skins from my bass drum and toms.

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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867081 - 09/20/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i agree that having the instruments would serve on well.

i plan on getting a sax and bass soon, and fixing up my drum set, getting a new foot pedal and some new skins from my bass drum and toms.

:awesomenod:




I think you will definitely enjoy the sax. I learned music in general when I was young and playing alto sax. I play guitar now, but it clicked when I was a young kiddo with a shiny horn.


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Re: making music [Re: Snotfish]
    #18867115 - 09/20/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm a guitarist as well. But I like my beats.

Piano doesn't seem hard to learn, as long as I remember the steps for the scale on every note. I mess around on the piano on my ipad...whole, whole, half, whole whole whole, half.

Or jazz major third scale... freaken love that sound. It's so beautiful. Coming up with melodies is so :aweoverdose:


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Re: making music [Re: Snotfish]
    #18867129 - 09/20/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i agree that having the instruments would serve on well.

i plan on getting a sax and bass soon, and fixing up my drum set, getting a new foot pedal and some new skins from my bass drum and toms.

:awesomenod:




I think you will definitely enjoy the sax. I learned music in general when I was young and playing alto sax. I play guitar now, but it clicked when I was a young kiddo with a shiny horn.



i wish i had practiced on it before. i hope i can own that shit. learn some registers and pound out some flying rhythms and melodies. :drooling: it's not hard to play Sax, i hear?


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Re: making music [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18867130 - 09/20/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm a guitarist as well. But I like my beats.

Piano doesn't seem hard to learn, as long as I remember the steps for the scale on every note. I mess around on the piano on my ipad...whole, whole, half, whole whole whole, half.

Or jazz major third scale... freaken love that sound. It's so beautiful. Coming up with melodies is so :aweoverdose:


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Re: making music [Re: Snotfish]
    #18867335 - 09/20/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I find it kinda funny that electronic music gets bashed by other ("real")musicians :shrug:
Are we somewhat lesser musicians, because we make electronic music? Many of us have musical backgrounds you know?

Besides, most electronic musicians(including myself) do everything themselves, such as;

Instrument tracks, editing, arranging, mixing and sometimes even mastering(I wouldn't necessarily want to master my own tracks, but it's been done). Would be nice if at least that aspect of being an electronic musician was appreciated, it's a huge fucking PITA to make the whole package sound sweet&tight, when you have 10 layers of LFO fx playing on top of a K/B loop+drums+percs+leads :crankey:

The most important tools in music making have always been&will always be used in both acoustic and electronic music.

Imagination, heart(passion), brain&soul.
Without that stuff there would be no music whatsoever
IDK, I can't really play anything other than my computer, but I'm fine with it. Someday I'll learn how to play piano :yesnod:


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Re: making music [Re: rulesq]
    #18867341 - 09/20/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you know, i bet alot of those people would be crying for someone to produce, mix and master their tracks when it actually comes to making a professional sounding recording.

most musicians, sadly, forget how important Sound Engineers and Producers are. :sad: just flat out.


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Re: making music [Re: rulesq]
    #18867443 - 09/20/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I find it kinda funny that electronic music gets bashed by other ("real")musicians :shrug:
Are we somewhat lesser musicians, because we make electronic music? Many of us have musical backgrounds you know?

Besides, most electronic musicians(including myself) do everything themselves, such as;

Instrument tracks, editing, arranging, mixing and sometimes even mastering(I wouldn't necessarily want to master my own tracks, but it's been done). Would be nice if at least that aspect of being an electronic musician was appreciated, it's a huge fucking PITA to make the whole package sound sweet&tight, when you have 10 layers of LFO fx playing on top of a K/B loop+drums+percs+leads :crankey:

The most important tools in music making have always been&will always be used in both acoustic and electronic music.

Imagination, heart(passion), brain&soul.
Without that stuff there would be no music whatsoever
IDK, I can't really play anything other than my computer, but I'm fine with it. Someday I'll learn how to play piano :yesnod:




Uhh first of all, 10 tracks is not much at all. I'm in a recording group with a good friend that took sound engineering down in AZ. We use guitar/bass/drums and keyboard (you know.. instruments that actually use your fingers) and push near the 25 track with a synthesized song.

Yeah the kid who sits in his room with an acoustic all day thinking he's a great musician is a complete stereotype and don't think the fact that you know any sound engineering puts you on a grand plateau.

Take loops out of the equation and I bet the rhythm would kick your ass. This imagination heart and soul bullshit is an easy way out of an argument considering that is only a small chunk of writing music.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867459 - 09/20/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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you know, i bet alot of those people would be crying for someone to produce, mix and master their tracks when it actually comes to making a professional sounding recording.

most musicians, sadly, forget how important Sound Engineers and Producers are. :sad: just flat out.




Also, if any musician is not a flat out moron then they do know the importance of engineering. This aside, engineering is an extremely easy level to reach and a competent musician can easily learn to master everything they do on their own. For example, buy pro-tools and read up on the internet.. you will be mastering on a professional level in no time if you are dedicated.


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    #18867513 - 09/20/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

true, but trust me, i see plenty of people rave about how electronic music sucks, and then ignorantly and passionately accuse producers of not being musicians, and because of that they "don't count" as being important.

seriously. i see this, like, alot. you're one of the good ones.


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    #18867569 - 09/20/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry dude but you're the one on a "plateau" here with your "actual instruments&10tracks is nothing" bullshit :shrug:


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    #18867587 - 09/20/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't bother using reason. Start with fl studio and download some bomb vst's and learn synthesis. You can torrent just about all the amazing internal sythesizers on kat.ph. Making music takes alot of time and effort if you just want to mess around with the idea then use the defualt vst's in fl.


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Re: making music [Re: filmoe]
    #18867613 - 09/20/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

why don't bother using Reason, may i ask? (granted it sucks, but not any worse then FL, IMO)


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Re: making music [Re: filmoe]
    #18867632 - 09/20/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I recommend downloading vst's..the stock ones aren't as clean...you need to equalize it to get the sound you want, and enable blood overdrive.

For kick, drums...I turn up the lows and completely cut off right in the middle of the mids.

For snare, high hat, clicks, I COMPLETELY CUT off everything up to the middle. I turn up the highs.

Also, I turn down the limiter for each track.

Modifying the sound like this really gives an extra OMPH to your tracks. Your tracks sound completely clear meshed together due to separation of lows(drum,kick) and highs(synthesizer/high hat/etc)

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    #18867641 - 09/20/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

some technically sound, good advise. ^ :thumbup:


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    #18867730 - 09/20/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Waves plugins FTW!

VST's&VSTi's I use:

-Waves audio plugins

-NI Battery/Absynth 5/Massive/FM8

-Morphine/Harmor/Harmless/Sytrus(FL Studio's native synths)
-Sylenth, CamelAudio Alchemy, Zebra1&2, Rob Papen Albino 3

-looots of random fx VST's

DAW's and external audio&other devices:

-FL Studio 10, sometimes Logic Pro(for livesets&DJing it's Ableton Live)

-M-Audio FW410

-Akai MPD32&Korg Nanokey(for MIDI ctrlling)

Plus a shitload of samples

I'd love to have a Roland JP-8080 or some other HW synth, had one for a while and it was :Awemazing:


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    #18867743 - 09/20/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I just don't think reason is a starting place. I think one needs to learn all about music production first by starting in fl studio. In FL you can minimalize everying, get rid of alot of the crap that isn't needed on the daw in the settings and download a few great vst and some effects. I can be specific if you want? So make it very minimal only use like 1 or 2 vst for your synthesis and a few drum sample kits and you can get all the material to put together a great track with just that.


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    #18867754 - 09/20/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you're probably right about that. i started on FL too; makes sense.


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    #18867770 - 09/20/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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PS: Dankhead, if you wanna hear some cool "real live" music, check this thread out.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18860683#18860683

or these ones

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18700975/fpart/1/vc/1

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18701367#18701367




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Re: making music [Re: Snotfish]
    #18867780 - 09/20/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

what? because i put some words in quotes? dude, that's retarded. i was serious, and i post in those threads alot. dude, fuck you. you're asshole limit has been reached.  :gaycrankey:

if you're gonna use the ridiculous terms you use to justify your hating on electronic music, i was gonna use those same terms to get you to maybe look into some non-electronic music. sorry, i used your own outlook, against you. :braindamage:


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    #18867806 - 09/20/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This thread got me thinking on how many tracks, samplers and fx slots I use on average:

Last track I made had little over 100 instrument/sampler tracks, 57 mixer tracks(each with app. 3-5 fx slots in use), and there were 168 pattern clips containing piano roll or automated events

Then there's some tracks that I've made, that have maybe 1/3 of that amount :lol:


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    #18867850 - 09/20/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

gotta use all you can, man, to make it the best you can.


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    #18867898 - 09/20/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To a certain point yes.. There was a time when I did everything way more complex than I really needed to, luckily I was called out on this and pointed to a better direction :super:

Shit that I've found extremely useful:

Regardless of your DAW, ALWAYS learn and USE hotkeys. They save up a huge amount of time.

Save your projects as much as possible, preferrably a new version every time(this is a lifesaver if your computer/DAW crashes due to VSTi&some other failure), so you can always go back to an previous/older version.

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    #18867902 - 09/20/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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what? because i put some words in quotes? dude, that's retarded. i was serious, and i post in those threads alot. dude, fuck you. you're asshole limit has been reached.  :gaycrankey:

if you're gonna use the ridiculous terms you use to justify your hating on electronic music, i was gonna use those same terms to get you to maybe look into some non-electronic music. sorry, i used your own outlook, against you. :braindamage:




Yeah... feeling feisty today? Re-read what you typed to me and know that the first song I clicked on in those links was a 9 minute progressive song trying way too hard to be different.


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Re: making music [Re: rulesq]
    #18867912 - 09/20/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

good pointers.  :yeahthatsright:
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Dankfish said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
what? because i put some words in quotes? dude, that's retarded. i was serious, and i post in those threads alot. dude, fuck you. you're asshole limit has been reached.  :gaycrankey:

if you're gonna use the ridiculous terms you use to justify your hating on electronic music, i was gonna use those same terms to get you to maybe look into some non-electronic music. sorry, i used your own outlook, against you. :braindamage:




Yeah... feeling feisty today? Re-read what you typed to me and know that the first song I clicked on in those links was a 9 minute progressive song trying way too hard to be different.



trying way to hard? so i guess you're a deadhead or something eh? there is alot of Prog Rock and Avant Garde out there. a lot more then there is Rock & Roll. i love all types of music. just because you're closeminded, doesn't mean i'm being sarcastic.

i mean, just look at what i'm listening to right now.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18867882#18867882

Morton Feldman? WHOS THAT? :toomuchacid:
PS: i was way "feistier" yesterday, and now i've got trolls on my ass. you're not the first scum i've had to wipe of my shoe today, dude guy. :curbyourenthusiasm:

PSS: you're supposed to LOOK THROUGH THE THREAD and find something you like if you can. you didn't even try. that's being CLOSED MINDED.  :goodluckwiththat2:


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Re: making music [Re: berdinwall]
    #18867925 - 09/20/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sing all the time, every day. Take up an instrument of some kind preferably no later than age 10 or so. Oh, you missed that boat? Better sing more then. Your voice is everyone's primary instrument.

The VST/DAW vs hardware argument is stupid. Ideally you're using both plus classic instruments.

A big advantage of having a little hardware that no one seems to have mentioned is that it will get you going hands on with the workflows you need to use to get a finished product. If you have a synth or a drum mic'ed up into an SP-X0X or other easy to use hardware sampler then run that through an fx pedal or looper you will quickly learn about sequencing, signal routing, modulation and how to use things creatively in ways they weren't necessarily intended.

FL Studio or even an older Fruity Loops version is by far the easiest DAW software to use to learn how to do step sequencing, piano roll editing and a little bit of signal routing and fx modulation. It's no good for recording, at least last time I used it several years ago. Ableton is no good for audio recording either, whoever said it was great for "live recording" is wrong. It's great for live performance applications though. Logic, Cubase, Sonar, ProTools, all of these will have steep learning curves and don't even bother with them unless you're dedicated. I have heard Reaper is more simple to use but still fully featured and it is much cheaper than all the rest of the fully featured DAWs so if you serious about recording and mixing audio signals that might be a good place to start. If you want to create everything inside the computer using sample packs and drum synths and crap good luck not making utterly generic stuff. You'd better have your own vision, a passion for your own creative contribution and lots of time to learn otherwise don't bother. The world doesn't need more generic EDM tracks.


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Re: making music [Re: Viveka]
    #18867927 - 09/20/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it was a stupid argument. ALL I MEANT was that hardware is awesome, nuff said. (not that it really was an argument, note that in my post referenced as "argument" i said "GET VSTs" followed by "or better yet". id didnt say either or was better then the other. i hate being misunderstood)

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    #18867974 - 09/20/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't look to me like you started a DAW vs hardware argument. You were just the first to mention that it's good to have some hardware in your workflow too, which I agree with. My favorite electronic music almost always incorporates live instruments or electronics run through an interesting signal chain. Shit, look at Richard D. James, he built his own oddball instruments and his own oddball hardware electronics but it all comes together inside of Logic or whatever the fuck DAW he uses or coded from scratch whilst lucid dreaming inside his tank on a roundabout somewhere in England.


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Re: making music [Re: Viveka]
    #18867987 - 09/20/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:drooling: < me thinking about RDJ's setup. the guys a freaking ... ahhh i've said it too much, but he and many other geniuses. :sad:

fucking seriously. where is that pic...?

damn, i can't find the one where there is fucking coils and coils of wires sprawled out all across his crazy studio room.

so i opted for this instead.

mecha-genius.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18868017 - 09/20/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

sorry akira, I don't feel like sitting through hours of slow moving rock at the moment. I'll check the jazz thread later..

And also, I'm just sitting at a computer at the moment, not scum being wiped off your shoe.. There is your sarcasm.

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    #18868100 - 09/20/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

well, your explanation and the fact that you're at least gonna try and check out the Jazz thread, makes me think you're not so close minded anymore. i can understand not wanting to listen something when you're not in the mood, trust me. there is alot of hot air in some of those threads, because i love ostentatious music. not everybody does though, nor does everyone have time for it.

PS: the scum thing was more for the trolls, i was talking about. sorry to equate you to that, but your post was rather filled with pomp and circumstance, too, wasn't it? a bit? wahtever dude. it's all gravy.


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    #18868127 - 09/20/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Jesus, is he on his knees in that photo? Or did he just crawl halfway out of a sleeping bag? It's like he's compelled by forces more powerful than hunger to squeeze pure music out of these machines. I love how there's remnants of food and drink just tucked to the side there.


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    #18868140 - 09/20/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

lol, i literally have no words to respond. you said it all.
hahaha, the perfect music troll. "waht i just fell asleep in some chips. so? on with the mad phat beats and synths! time to wake up and start RAVING!!@!" :rave:

all within the first waking moments of RDJ's day

:grin: *gush*

RDJ, Squarepusher, Autechre, Plaid, MOM, Daedalus, so many ... fucking... producers. :drooling:


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Re: making music [Re: rulesq]
    #18869269 - 09/20/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This thread got me thinking on how many tracks, samplers and fx slots I use on average:

Last track I made had little over 100 instrument/sampler tracks, 57 mixer tracks(each with app. 3-5 fx slots in use), and there were 168 pattern clips containing piano roll or automated events

Then there's some tracks that I've made, that have maybe 1/3 of that amount :lol:




I think thats more like the standard for professional electronic music producers. except with the 100 isntrument/sampler tracks wtf.

this is now a post your tunes thread.  I really want to hear that track rulesq

[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
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    #18869688 - 09/20/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: making music [Re: berdinwall]
    #18869725 - 09/20/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I compose tunes in FL studio. Idm/downtempo/glitchy shit.

Geosmin:


[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
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Re: making music [Re: propensity]
    #18869747 - 09/20/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)
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this is old, i haven't worked on any chunes in a while, but here is something.

i'm uploading the WAV to soundcloud, i'll put it and few other tracks up later. maybe i might even start a new track, i dunno. :datass:

PS: most of these tracks will not be completed songs, because i rarely complete a song.

[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
[/flash][/flash][/flash][/flash][/flash][/flash][/flash]

[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
[/flash][/flash][/flash][/flash][/flash][/flash]

[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
[/flash][/flash][/flash][/flash][/flash]

[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?

[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
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why does it come out such a mess?


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18870021 - 09/20/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

ill post some more complete tracks.
[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
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[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
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[flash=480,81]http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=
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this one would be best to be DL'd and thrown on with a normalizer. it's a sound collage.


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Re: making music [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18876049 - 09/22/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm, interesting tracks guys. Dig most of em.
Here's one of my latest tracks.
Some glitch hop disco shiiiiit


And here's some electro house


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Re: making music [Re: MrHill]
    #18876233 - 09/22/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a recording of me and a couple friends playing some old time music



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Re: making music [Re: teamkiller]
    #18876286 - 09/22/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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rulesq said:
This thread got me thinking on how many tracks, samplers and fx slots I use on average:

Last track I made had little over 100 instrument/sampler tracks, 57 mixer tracks(each with app. 3-5 fx slots in use), and there were 168 pattern clips containing piano roll or automated events

Then there's some tracks that I've made, that have maybe 1/3 of that amount :lol:




I think thats more like the standard for professional electronic music producers. except with the 100 isntrument/sampler tracks wtf.

this is now a post your tunes thread.  I really want to hear that track rulesq



I should probably have mentioned, that out of the 100+ instrument/sampler tracks, more than 50% are just duplicates of other instruments(like lead synths with slight modifications, legato on for slide notes or smthng), one shot fx&drum samples etc :shrug: but anyway.. I'll post the track asap :thumbup:


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Re: making music [Re: rulesq]
    #18877036 - 09/22/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This is a mix I threw together of a song I'm working on. It probably won't be in the same arrangement when it's finished but that's the basics of it right there. Lots more to be added as well. I find I'm never done working on tracks. There's always something else I can add.



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