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BLINKfan420
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SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards.
#18863515 - 09/19/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have been posting a lot and trying to learn just as much.. so here's another question.. I have recently built my first SGFC. I tore off the stickers so I THINK its about 48qt or so.
-I hydrated and strained my perlite and filled it up a GOOD 4 inches (almost half full)
-Holes are 1/4" in diameter and 2 inches apart. I
-It is elevated and no fan is point directly at it.
PROBLEM. Even if I mist heavily before I go to bed, by time I wake up the cakes are completely dry to the touch and the mycelium is bluing because of it. It is also making it SUPER easy for trich to take hold (I've notice now).
How can I fix this?? I can post pics as soon as I'm home from work.
Thank You!
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: BLINKfan420]
#18863538 - 09/19/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fluff up the perlite because it might be too condensed for air to properly travel through it, which is necessary for the sgfc to function properly.
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Edited by Sagescruffy (09/19/13 03:40 PM)
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18863541 - 09/19/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: BLINKfan420]
#18863661 - 09/19/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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BLINKfan420 said: -Holes are 1/4" in diameter and 2 inches apart.
All 6 sides?
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BLINKfan420 said: -It is elevated and no fan is point directly at it.
There should be no running fans in the room period.
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BLINKfan420 said: PROBLEM. Even if I mist heavily before I go to bed, by time I wake up the cakes are completely dry to the touch and the mycelium is bluing because of it. It is also making it SUPER easy for trich to take hold (I've notice now).
Low humidity does not make it easier for the cake to contam.
Fully colonized cakes are contam resistant, but they can eventually contam.
How often are you misting?
Are you misting the cakes directly with a fine mist or just misting the walls of the chamber?
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: PussyFart]
#18864070 - 09/19/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fluff up the perlite because it might be too condensed for air to properly travel through it, which is necessary for the sgfc to function properly.
Will do. I noticed a lot of perlite dust/sand sized particles settled at the bottom. Is creating a lack of air flow since the fine perlite restricts air flow??
I do have wholes in all six sides.
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Low humidity does not make it easier for the cake to contam.Fully colonized cakes are contam resistant, but they can eventually contam.How often are you misting?Are you misting the cakes directly with a fine mist or just misting the walls of the chamber?
I mist about a foot above the cakes and let it fall onto them, the walls usually get misted in the process. I mist 2-3 times a day and fan 4-5.
I wait a whole week or more after full colonization to let the jars consolidate. I dunk for 24hrs then roll.
What has generally been happening is the cakes grow mycelium over the rolled verm layer within a few days. Then after a few more daya the dehyradtion sets in and it becomes a battle to keep the pins alive to maturity and harvest. All my pinsets are on dried blue mycelium.... =(
also NONE of my hydrated cakes have gotten trich its only when they have been on the dry side for a few days
Edited by BLINKfan420 (09/19/13 05:55 PM)
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: BLINKfan420]
#18864164 - 09/19/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: There should be no running fans in the room period.

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BLINKfan420 said: I mist about a foot above the cakes and let it fall onto them, the walls usually get misted in the process.
It sounds like maybe you could stand to mist more generously. Spray the cakes directly until they're all glisteny.
Also, the SGFC is elevated off of the table/shelf/whatever it's on, right?
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: toxetel]
#18864249 - 09/19/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry, I missed a few questions there.
There are no running fans in the room. I only mentioned it cause it seems a lot of people have been misinformed about that. There is A/C running though? Should I close the vent??
It is elevated by three half pint jars.
How often should I mist if 2-3 times per day isnt enough? Or do you mean mist more heavily 2-3 times per day?
Also. Should I keep fanning 4-5? Or cut it down?
I really appreciate the help. I feel pretty bad I cant seem to maintain a SGFC....
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: BLINKfan420]
#18864273 - 09/19/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can take PICS if that will help.
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: BLINKfan420]
#18864488 - 09/19/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, you should mist as often as necessary. 2-3 times per day is a vague rule of thumb, but it shouldn't limit you.
But what I meant was to mist more heavily. When I imagine you spraying the air above the cakes and letting the mist fall onto the cakes, it doesn't seem like a very effective way to moisten the cakes. Do the cakes' surfaces glisten when you're done?
Sorry, I didn't catch that you were fanning without misting. Don't do that -- fan immediately after misting, every time you mist, but not otherwise.
Pictures certainly couldn't hurt, but it sounds like your mist-and-fan technique might be the issue here.
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: toxetel]
#18864588 - 09/19/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is your wrist technique like these days?
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: mpd]
#18867134 - 09/20/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is your wrist technique like these days?
Like my fanning technique?? I use the lid and fan for about 20 seconds pretty vigorously lol.
I was misting from a foot above cause I read that direct misting could damage mycelium. I guess im just over thinking it.
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: BLINKfan420]
#18869865 - 09/20/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Avoid direct misting" is outdated advice. Mist directly. It won't hurt the cakes. They clearly need the moisture.
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: toxetel]
#18870096 - 09/20/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Turn the AC off.
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: toxetel]
#18870493 - 09/21/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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toxetel said: "Avoid direct misting" is outdated advice. Mist directly. It won't hurt the cakes. They clearly need the moisture.
Good to know! Thanks for that. I really should read that thread about outdated info, I'm probably following a lot of old advice from when I tried this out years ago.
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: BLINKfan420]
#18871753 - 09/21/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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BLINKfan420 said:
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What is your wrist technique like these days?
I was misting from a foot above cause I read that direct misting could damage mycelium. I guess im just over thinking it.
This is one of the most common pieces of disinformation around here that noobs keep repeating to each other until they think it's true.
I've posted at least 1,000 times that you should mist directly. For crying out loud you could aim a garden hose at the damn things and not hurt them. Evaporation of moisture is the main pinning trigger, and this evaporated moisture must be replaced.
You also need to aim the AC vent well away from the terrarium, which should be on the opposite side of the room. RR
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18871781 - 09/21/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never got why the misting cakes directly thing goes around either. I mean you just got done birthing them and dunking them then rolling it in verm. If anythings going to hurt the cakes it's that.
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: bodhisatta]
#18871856 - 09/21/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They fruit outdoors in Florida and Texas all summer after thunder and hail storms. It's just dumb shit people say that gets repeated because they say it so often. RR
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18872730 - 09/21/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: They fruit outdoors in Florida and Texas all summer after thunder and hail storms. RR
Roger, is it possible that ozone in the atmosphere after the thunder storms could be a pinning trigger?
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: inski]
#18872992 - 09/21/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The A/C does not run all day.. just every couple of hours for about 20-30 min. The SGFC is up high and across the room from the A/C vent, which is on the floor.
I fluffed the perlite and am misting heavier.
My cakes are covered in fluffly white mycelium. They look like thyre covered in clouds..




Are the cakes heading in the right direction? Or is this a sign of not so optimal conditions
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Edited by BLINKfan420 (09/21/13 04:56 PM)
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Re: SGFC Has LOW Humidity but is built to tek standards. [Re: inski]
#18873049 - 09/21/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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inski said:
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RogerRabbit said: They fruit outdoors in Florida and Texas all summer after thunder and hail storms. RR
Roger, is it possible that ozone in the atmosphere after the thunder storms could be a pinning trigger?
I doubt it. I've never seen a pinset in nature as good as we get from brf cakes or especially tray culture when there is no thunderstorm activity. RR
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