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OfflineD.M.T
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Re: 3 charged for LSD trafficking [Re: my3rdeye]
    #18870818 - 09/21/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you have no idea brother. I hate Florida would never live there, but I know a guy here in Ohio who sells ten packs to Florida every weekend. that's in 2013. they sell it 400 a sheet there in several cities. your points are moot. all I ever see is people griping anywhere on the internet that nowhere has LSD but truthfully they just don't know the right people. it literally is everywhere. there's people selling sheets in my small bumfuck town in Ohio so you bet they have to be doing the same in Florida. NBOMes are an epidemic anywhere you go, I've seen several prints mentioned in Canada that were NBOMe for instance being sold as LSD. Canada gets a lot of legit unperf too just like Florida has WoW everywhere in the right circles. I don't believe in the family either, I meant family more as in a chain or distribution network. family has in a way become the lingo for such a thing in the LSD world. fuck I've even heard of LSD in Japan and they're supposed to only have heroin and ridiculous priced hash.


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Re: 3 charged for LSD trafficking [Re: Shpongle1]
    #18880303 - 09/23/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Charge you with one thing and make you prove otherwise in court....

Amazing how our legislative system continuously finds a way to wipe their ass with our constitution even with it being on display and locked up under glass.  Fuckin crazy.






Well, on the one hand that is very fucked up, and is not the kind of thing I would ever support. On the other hand, since I'd guess between 75-90% of these people selling NBOMe are selling it as "LSD" it pretty much serves them right.

And I'm really hoping this bust was NBOMe and not LSD.

Would help me believe in karma, and all.  (Sometimes I really need that :shrug: )


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Re: 3 charged for LSD trafficking [Re: Shpongle1]
    #18883299 - 09/24/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If anyone had bothered to read the ENTIRE article, they would have noticed that all occupants were charged with 'possession of drug paraphernalia' which is obviously NOT directly related to the "odorless chemical compound" LSD.

That having been said, YES - cops lie...YES - cops exaggerate...YES - newspaper reporters misinform


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How a drug dog can find the 'odorless' chemical LSD [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18883367 - 09/24/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The short answer is...IT CAN NOT BE DETECTED - as long as it was in a crystal or liquid form!

However; ANY & EVERY form of cotton paper blotter can be detected!

No...I didn't make a contradiction. Crystal (pure LSD) is odorless, liquid (crystallized LSD made fluid by mixing crystal with high proof alcohol) is not odorless but dogs aren't trained to hit on booze...not yet anyway!
And while I can't speak of other delivery methods (gel, etc.) I do know that crystal LSD & liquid LSD,by themselves, will not adhere to cotton paper; however, by introducing an AMPHETAMINE (a drug dogs are trained to detect,) to the production process the now modified LSD molecule will indeed adhere to a paper delivery system.
This is also why higher amphetamine content blotter is considered 'speedy' or 'weak' ...which can also be the result of blotter being exposed to sunlight...UVA & UVB radiation mutate the molecular structure of the LSD molecules, which is why the clear liquid will turn yellowish over time.

But, be that as it may, I'm still gonna stick with my previous post & say its because of the drug paraphernalia found, which thereby gives them unlimited access to the ENTIRE vehicle.


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Re: Probably not a lot of real LSD coming from Florida... [Re: my3rdeye]
    #18883402 - 09/24/13 03:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No where in the article does it state the origin of the LSD, only the home state of the defendants.
There is no road or direction of travel to indicate a Florida origin of the substance;
Therefore, they could've been on their way BACK to Florida after making a run to Colorado or California. Which would explain traveling thru Alabama.


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Defining "FAMILY" for D.M.T & my3rdeye... [Re: D.M.T]
    #18883699 - 09/24/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The term "family" is most notably connected with the original grateful dead band members, their significant others & their closest friends, most famously portrayed in the oak tree portrait.
Later, this term was more loosely applied, as my3rdeye stated: a distribution network, or more commonly, a close knit set of friends who used their 'connection' to a chemist as a means of making money and spreading the love. Charlie Manson had a 'family', Timothy Leary had a 'family' , but more importantly, it is used to identify the group/gang of drug dealers...who feels safe dealing with a drug GANG, now who feels safe dealing with a LSD family? When I found mine they literally said, 'welcome to the family'
Dead lore states that in the days of the dead, there where essentially 3 main groups/gangs/'families' responsible for the vast majority of the LSD distributed during the various years of touring, which would also explain 2 things:
1. There was always an increase of LSD availability whenever The Dead came to town, regardless of the year, of course after touch of grey popularity increased and so did availability after the shows.
2. After the death of Jerry Garcia and the infamous LSD lab in a missile silo in kansas, the price has increased 5 times the amount (a 100 hits was around 100 on the final tour, now 500)


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Re: How a drug dog can find the 'odorless' chemical LSD [Re: efilnikcufecin] * 1
    #18883868 - 09/24/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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efilnikcufecin said:
I do know that crystal LSD & liquid LSD,by themselves, will not adhere to cotton paper; however, by introducing an AMPHETAMINE (a drug dogs are trained to detect,) to the production process the now modified LSD molecule will indeed adhere to a paper delivery system.
This is also why higher amphetamine content blotter is considered 'speedy' or 'weak' ...




BS.  First of all it makes no sense to use another drug, like amphetamine, to make the LSD "adhere" to the cotton paper.  There's no reason whatsoever the molecular structure of an amphetamine would be required to make LSD stay on a blotter.  They would no doubt use a different, less costly and likely unrestricted chemical if this were actually necessary.

Not only that, doses get tested all the time in chemical laboratories and the vast, vast majority that contain LSD do not contain any additional drugs.

Also, adding amphetamine to a mixture of liquid or crystal LSD would in no way "modify the LSD molecule" like you stated.

Stop spreading misinformation.  Dispelling misinformation about drugs is, in a lot of ways, exactly what this place is all about in my eyes.


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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined.  Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens. :crankey: 

- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.


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Re: How a drug dog can find the 'odorless' chemical LSD [Re: efilnikcufecin]
    #18884971 - 09/24/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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efilnikcufecin said:
I do know that crystal LSD & liquid LSD,by themselves, will not adhere to cotton paper; however, by introducing an AMPHETAMINE (a drug dogs are trained to detect,) to the production process the now modified LSD molecule will indeed adhere to a paper delivery system.
This is also why higher amphetamine content blotter is considered 'speedy' or 'weak' ...which can also be the result of blotter being exposed to sunlight...UVA & UVB radiation mutate the molecular structure of the LSD molecules, which is why the clear liquid will turn yellowish over time.


:rolleyes: lol


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Re: 3 charged for LSD trafficking [Re: grasshopper914]
    #18886010 - 09/24/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you can bet their vehicle was seized as well as any money.

I wonder how many doses they had.


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