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Let's talk about Adderall
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It seems a lot of people on here who could benefit are being denied it owing to their "comorbid substance abuse" as a youknowwhat-chiatrist would say.
It also seems like it's popular here to abuse it, but mainly among people who, like myself, have legitimate prescriptions. I've never taken it recreationally, but I've taken extra to stay up before. 
Also, after getting a call 10 minutes after leaving the pharmacy that my 120 Adderall prescription is ready for pickup, they just called and said...
[Your prescription] has been delayed and we're waiting on further information from your insurance carrier
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. There goes Calculus for the next couple days, unless the Hyperfocus Goddess could let me zoom in on math just this once...
In other news, I got a legit Adderall source. Psychiatric APRN. She has all the flaws in her reason of psychiatrists I've dealt with (i.e. necessarily bundling a mood disorder with my obvious ADHD, which is certainly possible but it's stupid to say "wait, so every time you did this one drug it made you angry and psychotic? Mood Disorder NOS until we get to the bottom of this, then...").
To her credit, I told her:
-I've rampantly abused weed, K2, DXM, and alcohol -I've been to rehab but left -I want some fucking Adderall
And I got some fucking Adderall. You guys that like how this drug makes you feel are lucky, lucky dogs... I guess I don't totally mind the euphoria at first (it's just so speedy and anxious...) but then the comedown dysphoria makes me prone to suicidal ideation when I first go on it, and then it just averages out as my body gets used to it to a drowsy, drone-feeling.
Ya'll nukka's got ADD? 
How you guys feel about Adderall?
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18862973 - 09/19/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i have a legitimate prescription and i HATE the shit. unless i have some serious stupid tasks.
its alright for like 3 hours then it absolutely sucks. i dont get how people abuse it.
i dont remember the last time i actually took em.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox] 3
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st1llnox said: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. There goes Calculus for the next couple days, unless the Hyperfocus Goddess could let me zoom in on math just this once...
well she definitely would, but if you're dependent on adderall then that won't happen.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: c0exist]
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st1llnox said: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. There goes Calculus for the next couple days, unless the Hyperfocus Goddess could let me zoom in on math just this once...
well she definitely would, but if you're dependent on adderall then that won't happen.
I'm not (although many here will no doubt assume otherwise). Come to think of it, I was reading Stephen Wolfram's book on math and computing while waiting for the appointment.
Adderall definitely helps enhance even hyperfocus, or at least gives you more ability to give salience to whichever task is MORE important.
I'm not sure there's any basis that people who are "dependent" on Adderall who have ADHD can't hyperfocus, but dependent could mean so much in this context (for example, I may be psychologically dependent on it for being able to feel like I can accomplish stuff, while someone else may be dependent on it akin to classical addiction, e.g. it goes up their nose).
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c0exist said: i have a legitimate prescription and i HATE the shit. unless i have some serious stupid tasks.
its alright for like 3 hours then it absolutely sucks. i dont get how people abuse it.
i dont remember the last time i actually took em.
QFT. The comedown dysphoria (at first) is the worst. I was feeling suicidal when it wore off last night (just fantasizing, nothing more) but I actually felt a lot better when I realized, "Hey, I hadn't taken Addy for a couple days and it wore off so this is probably just my dopamine system down before it rebounds...".
At least I felt better.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
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i feel ALOT better since i stopped taking adderall 4-5x a week.
never took more than 20mg once a day (im prescribed 50mg daily)
but im still so sensitive to it that even the IR version if i took at 8am i would have trouble sleeping at night. so it was pretty hellish.
i like having them on hand though. really a good thing to have if you do need.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: c0exist]
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c0exist said: i feel ALOT better since i stopped taking adderall 4-5x a week.
never took more than 20mg once a day (im prescribed 50mg daily)
but im still so sensitive to it that even the IR version if i took at 8am i would have trouble sleeping at night. so it was pretty hellish.
i like having them on hand though. really a good thing to have if you do need.
Yeah... when I have my way, I'd describe my usage of them as "heavy PRN". I just finished my bottle from almost 2 months ago right after my appointment.
I did find that as long as I took weekends off and such so I don't get too stuck in that "drone" feeling, that once my body was used to it there was no problem with mood or how my body's physically feeling.
I once got up to 50 or maybe even 60, but it'd take a lot of convincing to get me to take 60mg of Adderall daily for any considerable length of time.
That's the point in time where tolerance holidays, rather than dosage boosts, should be used to manage tolerance.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863071 - 09/19/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah. if i took my full doseage i would never sleep.
i dont see how anyone could take that. but i mean whatever..
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863075 - 09/19/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stupid thread and stupid drug
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863080 - 09/19/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My favorite Adderall are the 30 MG XRs. The IRs tend to give a quicker rush, but the ups and come downs are to frequent for me to enjoy. I like to take two 30 mg XRs in the morning and be productive ALL day. BTW Nox, how do I cam up on tiny chat? Do I hit 'start broadcasting'?
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: c0exist] 1
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ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: c0exist]
#18863088 - 09/19/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's a crutch. if you are serious about postgraduate studies you will simply need to develop study habits. I have been an amphetamine user and abuser on and off for years to the point where I can usually tell when someone else is on amphetamines. The repetitive motions, the width of the eyelids, the motions of the jaw. These symptoms manifest in most users even at so-called medicinal levels. During undergraduate I noticed a lot of amphetamine use. Kids were taking them all over the place just to study after parties and shit. It does help for things like that, there is no doubt, but that kind of lifestyle simply won't work for graduate school. There are two of my classmates in my grad program (out of 36) who I suspect use stimulants "medicinally"; but even these individuals do not ever use them as a way of bouncing back from a hangover or cramming for a test or whatever. Most of the students who make it in grad school have simply developed study habits that allow them to do their work effectively.
The simple fact of the matter is that basically everyone has some cognitive benefits from the right dose of amphetamine. The question becomes, should everyone be taking amphetamines? I think the answer is no. The returns diminish, and later on down the road you are left with no self-discipline and a lot of responsibility. Take it from someone who is just now having to learn how to manage his study habits in graduate school. It's not fun.
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anyway i preferred vyvanse for getting work done
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
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I don't necessarily have a problem with these meds, but lets be honest, they are the academic equivalent to steroids - performance enhancing substances. You're kinda cheating.
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Didn't that dude admit some shit about ADHD on his death bed? I'm on a phone or I'd post the link. On topic though, I've used adderall every way you could use it, and it was great at first but you'll eventually realize that it's a shitty drug to be on... long term... Or even at all.
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
I must say I completely disagree. IMO drugs like adderall are for lazy people with bad study habits. I honestly don't care if you use amphetamines to get through school. But don't give me that bullshit that you have a legitimate disease and you "need" amphetamines to function. Because you don't. It's an addictive drug and the more you use it the more you actually won't be able to function without it, because your dependent on it. Not because you have a disease.
If a doctor tried prescribing me ADD meds, I would never see that doctor again.
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MystiqueMushroom said: Stupid thread and stupid drug
So why are you here? 
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volcomstoner said:
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luvdemboomers said:
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
I must say I completely disagree. IMO drugs like adderall are for lazy people with bad study habits. I honestly don't care if you use amphetamines to get through school. But don't give me that bullshit that you have a legitimate disease and you "need" amphetamines to function. Because you don't. It's an addictive drug and the more you use it the more you actually won't be able to function without it, because your dependent on it. Not because you have a disease.
If a doctor tried prescribing me ADD meds, I would never see that doctor again.
You know, my new Adderall dispenser, an APRN, put it best just this morning:
Some people are treated for ADHD who don't have it and it helps, some of them it hurts. Some people have ADHD and aren't treated and do fine, while others don't live up to their potential (I was this way in high school and it pains me deeply to think of the scholarships I could have earned, the schools I could have gotten in with my ACT score, etc...) Some have something else entirely mistaken for ADHD Some have ADHD and its mistaken for something else (i.e. bipolar disorder, or "oh, sugar makes him hyper, etc.").
ADHD is real, but this is revealing, especially about our country: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/suffer-the-children/201203/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd
The book Boys Adrift by Dr. Leonard Sax is a FANTASTIC resource that really tears Adderall a new one, and really shows how stupid the pharmaco-pathologization of everything is.
I personally am the PICTURE of ADHD, but what boy isn't?
To guide the dialogue and conclude my point (and to specify what I'm getting at...)
ADHD is a real condition. It is not a disease though... it just so happens that 6 year old boys are NOT FUCKING EVOLVED TO SIT IN A CHAIR 7 HOURS A DAY.
When I told a friend I worked with at a MAJOR software corporation that I'm at McDonalds, she said "Oh, jeez, [C--------- Corporation] would take you back in a heart beat, and our team would love to have our intern back". I said, "Why would I go back to [Corporation]?".
I'm never going to do cubicle work, I'm sorry. I'm not evolved for that.
ADHD is not a disorder. It's a problem adapting and adjusting to the lifestyle we're expected to live that thousands of years of evolution primed us to live the opposite way compared to.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: morrowasted]
#18863295 - 09/19/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: anyway i preferred vyvanse for getting work done

Vyvanse is way better than adderall. I never feel too wired and can actually sleep on the stuff
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: DeeBee]
#18863313 - 09/19/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i want some. there. talked about.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
#18863315 - 09/19/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i want some. there. talked about. 
Nice synopsis of the OP, as well.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: koods]
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volcomstoner said:
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luvdemboomers said:
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
I must say I completely disagree. IMO drugs like adderall are for lazy people with bad study habits. I honestly don't care if you use amphetamines to get through school. But don't give me that bullshit that you have a legitimate disease and you "need" amphetamines to function. Because you don't. It's an addictive drug and the more you use it the more you actually won't be able to function without it, because your dependent on it. Not because you have a disease.
If a doctor tried prescribing me ADD meds, I would never see that doctor again.
I never said I "need them." I am just saying ADHD is not bullshit, and the meds can be very helpful to someone who legitimately has adhd. I've been off amphetamines for two years and am doing fine, I've found ways to cope.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
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st1llnox said:
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MystiqueMushroom said: Stupid thread and stupid drug
So why are you here? 
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volcomstoner said:
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luvdemboomers said:
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
I must say I completely disagree. IMO drugs like adderall are for lazy people with bad study habits. I honestly don't care if you use amphetamines to get through school. But don't give me that bullshit that you have a legitimate disease and you "need" amphetamines to function. Because you don't. It's an addictive drug and the more you use it the more you actually won't be able to function without it, because your dependent on it. Not because you have a disease.
If a doctor tried prescribing me ADD meds, I would never see that doctor again.
You know, my new Adderall dispenser, an APRN, put it best just this morning:
Some people are treated for ADHD who don't have it and it helps, some of them it hurts. Some people have ADHD and aren't treated and do fine, while others don't live up to their potential (I was this way in high school and it pains me deeply to think of the scholarships I could have earned, the schools I could have gotten in with my ACT score, etc...) Some have something else entirely mistaken for ADHD Some have ADHD and its mistaken for something else (i.e. bipolar disorder, or "oh, sugar makes him hyper, etc.").
ADHD is real, but this is revealing, especially about our country: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/suffer-the-children/201203/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd
The book Boys Adrift by Dr. Leonard Sax is a FANTASTIC resource that really tears Adderall a new one, and really shows how stupid the pharmaco-pathologization of everything is.
I personally am the PICTURE of ADHD, but what boy isn't?
To guide the dialogue and conclude my point (and to specify what I'm getting at...)
ADHD is a real condition. It is not a disease though... it just so happens that 6 year old boys are NOT FUCKING EVOLVED TO SIT IN A CHAIR 7 HOURS A DAY.
When I told a friend I worked with at a MAJOR software corporation that I'm at McDonalds, she said "Oh, jeez, [C--------- Corporation] would take you back in a heart beat, and our team would love to have our intern back". I said, "Why would I go back to [Corporation]?".
I'm never going to do cubicle work, I'm sorry. I'm not evolved for that.
ADHD is not a disorder. It's a problem adapting and adjusting to the lifestyle we're expected to live that thousands of years of evolution primed us to live the opposite way compared to. 
If you like cubicle work, watch office space 
don't miss cubicle working either.... been doing that for too many years, almost destroyed my body... got very sick but I didn't care so got sicker
then psychedelics helped me find myself, never going back to cubicles so many hours a day, but maybe less hours one day
don't miss it that's for sure... almost any work is better, repetitious work is bliss in comparision money isn't all, as you know :-)
repetitious work is often the best, so your brain can think what it wants, without being stressed , and you can go home and be yourself after it easily - without working at home
no working except mon-fridays :-) , no sundays, no working @ home , just need money to live most work types can fulfill that
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luvdemboomers said:
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volcomstoner said:
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luvdemboomers said:
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
I must say I completely disagree. IMO drugs like adderall are for lazy people with bad study habits. I honestly don't care if you use amphetamines to get through school. But don't give me that bullshit that you have a legitimate disease and you "need" amphetamines to function. Because you don't. It's an addictive drug and the more you use it the more you actually won't be able to function without it, because your dependent on it. Not because you have a disease.
If a doctor tried prescribing me ADD meds, I would never see that doctor again.
I never said I "need them." I am just saying ADHD is not bullshit, and the meds can be very helpful to someone who legitimately has adhd. I've been off amphetamines for two years and am doing fine, I've found ways to cope.
QFT, except I'm using them again. It's hard to relearn Calculus for next semester with this Alienware sitting here, just brimming with awesome games...
-------------------- Back, bitches. st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet? st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here
  
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863580 - 09/19/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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st1llnox said:
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MystiqueMushroom said: Stupid thread and stupid drug
So why are you here? 
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volcomstoner said:
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luvdemboomers said:
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
I must say I completely disagree. IMO drugs like adderall are for lazy people with bad study habits. I honestly don't care if you use amphetamines to get through school. But don't give me that bullshit that you have a legitimate disease and you "need" amphetamines to function. Because you don't. It's an addictive drug and the more you use it the more you actually won't be able to function without it, because your dependent on it. Not because you have a disease.
If a doctor tried prescribing me ADD meds, I would never see that doctor again.
You know, my new Adderall dispenser, an APRN, put it best just this morning:
Some people are treated for ADHD who don't have it and it helps, some of them it hurts. Some people have ADHD and aren't treated and do fine, while others don't live up to their potential (I was this way in high school and it pains me deeply to think of the scholarships I could have earned, the schools I could have gotten in with my ACT score, etc...) Some have something else entirely mistaken for ADHD Some have ADHD and its mistaken for something else (i.e. bipolar disorder, or "oh, sugar makes him hyper, etc.").
ADHD is real, but this is revealing, especially about our country: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/suffer-the-children/201203/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd
The book Boys Adrift by Dr. Leonard Sax is a FANTASTIC resource that really tears Adderall a new one, and really shows how stupid the pharmaco-pathologization of everything is.
I personally am the PICTURE of ADHD, but what boy isn't?
To guide the dialogue and conclude my point (and to specify what I'm getting at...)
ADHD is a real condition. It is not a disease though... it just so happens that 6 year old boys are NOT FUCKING EVOLVED TO SIT IN A CHAIR 7 HOURS A DAY.
When I told a friend I worked with at a MAJOR software corporation that I'm at McDonalds, she said "Oh, jeez, [C--------- Corporation] would take you back in a heart beat, and our team would love to have our intern back". I said, "Why would I go back to [Corporation]?".
I'm never going to do cubicle work, I'm sorry. I'm not evolved for that.
ADHD is not a disorder. It's a problem adapting and adjusting to the lifestyle we're expected to live that thousands of years of evolution primed us to live the opposite way compared to. 
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863763 - 09/19/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used to get 120 10's but then I changed doctor and this fucker dropped me to 90. Fucker.
I love Adderall. I also love how much I can sell it for when I'm broke.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
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If you can't develop good study habits then your fucked. Adderal blows and has no ability to improve test performance. The only thing it does is make you not fatigue as quickly. Thus you could study for long periods of time.
IMO it fucking blows dick! The high is shit and the feeling of being wired isn't comfortable. I could get more studying done being on an opiate then adderal.
I also believe ADD is a bullshit disorder.. Half the people I know who have prescriptions for amphetamines had the presumption that if they get this prescription then they will improve grades. They simply go in and say they can't focus and bam get a script. It's not like they are doing brain mapping and seeing legit reasons besides patient here say.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
#18863771 - 09/19/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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but your personality gets pumped up, though!1
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I also believe ADD is a bullshit disorder..
And what qualifications do you have to make such a judgement .
Try going to a two hour lecture and trying your absolute hardest to concentrate on what is going on, and then realizing you haven't heard a single word in the last five minutes and tell me that ADD isn't a real disorder. OH wait, you can't, because you don't have ADD.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said: If you can't develop good study habits then your fucked. Adderal blows and has no ability to improve test performance. The only thing it does is make you not fatigue as quickly. Thus you could study for long periods of time.
IMO it fucking blows dick! The high is shit and the feeling of being wired isn't comfortable. I could get more studying done being on an opiate then adderal.
I also believe ADD is a bullshit disorder.. Half the people I know who have prescriptions for amphetamines had the presumption that if they get this prescription then they will improve grades. They simply go in and say they can't focus and bam get a script. It's not like they are doing brain mapping and seeing legit reasons besides patient here say.

Everyone's different. The first time I took adderall I had the strongest euphoria I have ever experienced and read a stupid ass book cover to cover and enjoyed every second.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
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Well for one I am in lecture every day of the week. What you explained is called "NOT PAYING ATTENTION"... continue to use a drug to get by instead of looking into the real reasons why you can't focus...
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
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you ingrate, he's saying he's paying attention, but he loses track of what is being told, despite his paying attention.
can you get over yourself, already?
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said: Well for one I am in lecture every day of the week. What you explained is called "NOT PAYING ATTENTION"... continue to use a drug to get by instead of looking into the real reasons why you can't focus...
The real reason people with ADD can't focus? ADD.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
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Adderall is garbage for anything IMO desoxyn works amazingly well though and actually has a great recreational high.
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Mush4Brains said: And what qualifications do you have to make such a judgement .
Try going to a two hour lecture and trying your absolute hardest to concentrate on what is going on, and then realizing you haven't heard a single word in the last five minutes and tell me that ADD isn't a real disorder. OH wait, you can't, because you don't have ADD.
It's kind of pathetic how unsympathetic people can be.
During some times in my life, I've been a little paradoxical: like, in middle school, I couldn't focus on modern language class so I would read medical thrillers instead (Robin Cook is an awesome author BTW).
Now, sometimes a book will grab me but especially with the subject matter I have to read, I will go PAGES and then realize I haven't read a single word... I was just moving my eyes over the words and thinking about Finland or some shit \
People don't get how fucking frustrating this is.
However, we have the superpower of HYPERFOCUS. Got something interesting? I'll become a world expert... give me 3 days lol.
But got something dull and uninteresting? Well, at least there's Adderall.
I can't wait to get ahold of some Tenex to help my working memory/thought clarity too alongside this Adderall for the focus.
I'm in a Starbucks doing Calculus 1 review right now, and man is this fucking fun!
For those of you that weren't humiliated over and over as a child when the teacher called on you and you hadn't been listening, or because it was your turn to read aloud in class and you were in la la land, try to show a little sympathy. ADHD is largely a hoax and the manifestation of RAMPANT patholigization of undesirable normal human behavior, but it does represent a real syndrome of sorts and one that has had very real consequences for some of us.
I spanked the ACT silly, for example, but had a shitty GPA or I might've been at Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, Berkeley... maybe even Harvard.
If not I could have certainly gotten more scholarships for my state school. I get Missouri's Top 2% scholarship based on ACT but I qualified for none because my GPA sucked.
If I'd discovered Adderall sooner, who knows where I'd be 
Maybe this is just an excuse to make me feel bad, and ADDERALL DOES AFFECT YOUR NUCLEUS ACCUMBENS IF YOU ARE EXPOSED WHILE YOU ARE STILL EARLY IN YOUR BRAIN DEVELOPMENTQuote:
volcomstoner said: Adderall is garbage for anything IMO desoxyn works amazingly well though and actually has a great recreational high.
Old doctor offered me this. I'm afraid of stomping out my dopamine system (supposedly Meth can knock out 40% of your ability to feel happy for years or permanently after one exposure, but with the drug wars obfuscation of facts, even polluting science with its agenda, who knows? ).
Dextromethamphetamine is also FDA approved for Obesity!
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: you ingrate, he's saying he's paying attention, but he loses track of what is being told, despite his paying attention.
can you get over yourself, already?
OMFG Thank you 
Seriously people... at the point where you're looking at the teacher and the board, trying to take notes, and still can't maintain an open channel to the information, there's only so much you can do.
Same thing when the book's open and the problems out and the pens in your hand, but you're just looking at the pages. If that's not at least trying, I don't know what is.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863961 - 09/19/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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PILLS SOLVE EVERYTHING, just eat your pills, go home, watch t.v. and eat your mcdonalds, everything is gonna be ok
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18863970 - 09/19/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm more curious of the evidence that ADHD meds actually help improve academic performance. They may help individuals improve performance in sustained, repetitive menial tasks, but I don't think there's a lot of evidence they improve academic performance beyond reversal of fatigue.
In fact one of the more recent studies found just that: that kids taking meds didn't do better in the long-term.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: badchad]
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MystiqueMushroom said: PILLS SOLVE EVERYTHING, just eat your pills, go home, watch t.v. and eat your mcdonalds, everything is gonna be ok

Read that article about France I posted earlier in this thread; you'd find it interesting.
And to make sure I'm serving truth rather than opinion, I will give the counterexample that I made a 4.0 in a flagship state school's Engineering program for a semester without Adderall; just ambition. Then came the alcohol... Then after a 3.0 semester, I made mostly A's after I discovered Adderall (which also helped damage control my GPA when I became a stoner).
Makes me wonder what I'd be capable of WITH Adderall AND not stoned and drunk the whole time (I was drunk and stoned the entire finals week where I set the record for... [CENSORED, GETTING EGOTISTICAL, YOU'RE WELCOME lol]).Quote:
badchad said: I'm more curious of the evidence that ADHD meds actually help improve academic performance. They may help individuals improve performance in sustained, repetitive menial tasks, but I don't think there's a lot of evidence they improve academic performance beyond reversal of fatigue.
In fact one of the more recent studies found just that: that kids taking meds didn't do better in the long-term.
The problem too is in ADHD studies, most of the "has ADHD group" have brains that have been exposed to amphetamine since early grade school and their nucleus accumbi are consequently a little fucked.
I think they can only fix a problem and they help that way, except in cases where people are wanting/needing to get more out of their brains than a normal brain allows concentration-wise, such as how 20 some percent of scientists supposedly use nootropics including Ritalin (mainly, as well as Addy, Dexie, etcetie).
Paul Erdos is a great counterexample of how people can accomplish a LOT more on them than off.
I went through his publication history and dug through some biographical articles to find out when he started taking amphetamines.
He started in 1971 and his output nearly doubled for the rest of his life.
However, when they took away his precious pills for a month, we was worthless till he was back on them.
It may not be permanent, but you either have to stick to it or pay the piper. Even if you stick to it, the piper will get his due: Erdos died of a heart embolism, although he was 80-something.
I, and I'm sure others who chomp down amphetamine several times a day, have in the back of my mind that I don't want to take these forever. Come what may, though.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18864016 - 09/19/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If it's anything like all your other posts I've read it's not worth my time
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18864031 - 09/19/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Lets talk about adderall"
ok, lets:
i have been perscribed to adderall for 4 years now. i ran out of ills about 2 weeks ago, the last 2 weeks have been some of the roughest ive ever had, a dependence/addiction has shown itself fully to me.
i re upped on my script today, and have had a really good day. its fucked up
i realized i have a problem 
its actually quite frightening to me, that i have dug myself this hole.
any advice anybody?
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
#18864049 - 09/19/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Idk maybe QUIT?
You already know the answers, just do it.
Get off the pills, eat healthy, exercise, take of your body and mind.
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You already know the answers, just do it.
Get off the pills, eat healthy, exercise, take care of your body and mind.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
#18864053 - 09/19/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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MystiqueMushroom said: If it's anything like all your other posts I've read it's not worth my time
Clearly you don't want to read something relevant to whatever point you're trying to make (which isn't a post of mine; it's a piece of journalism).
Ignore me if you hate reading my posts that much (your loss), or for a more reasonable compromise, maybe just don't read them?  Quote:
Luc1d said: "Lets talk about adderall"
ok, lets:
i have been perscribed to adderall for 4 years now. i ran out of ills about 2 weeks ago, the last 2 weeks have been some of the roughest ive ever had, a dependence/addiction has shown itself fully to me.
i re upped on my script today, and have had a really good day. its fucked up
i realized i have a problem 
its actually quite frightening to me, that i have dug myself this hole.
any advice anybody?
Absolutely friend.
Firstly, you got THE WORST that you're POSSIBLY ever going to get, withdrawal wise.
Addiction is a separate phenomenon from the physiological tolerance to a drug that you're prescribed and using therapeutically.
Really, what you had there is literally THE WORST you could have possibly experienced.
Let me guess: can barely get out of bed, depressed, fatigued, short-tempered?
To do it properly, you want to start SLOWLY weaning off. This will be much less discouraging than seeing the full withdrawal at once, which you won't ever have to do again if you don't want to.
Addiction aside, there's still psychological dependence (I may be guilty of this), habituation (edging eve so closer to addiction), etc.
I've read of other shroomerites who were on it for TWICE as long as you and they made it back to themselves just fine.
If you swear off the stuff for good, are you ever going to study geology so long that your butt hurts? (true story)
No, but you won't have to worry about it and if you wanted to use it just for a sparing, AS NEEDED boost as many of my friends did when they graduated college, it will be all the more effective although still different from someone who hasn't accrued years of exposure to it like I have.
PM me if you'd like. Zee007 could be a valuable resource to you as well.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18864078 - 09/19/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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MystiqueMushroom said: Idk maybe QUIT?
You already know the answers, just do it.
Get off the pills, eat healthy, exercise, take of your body and mind.
HA.....you underestimate the way this specific substance manifests its addiction.
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You already know the answers, just do it.
Get off the pills, eat healthy, exercise, take of your body and mind.
I eat healthy, exercise, and take care of my body. When I switched to my new doctor he had an EKG ordered to check my heart. After four years of being prescribed to 40mg a day of Adderall my heart is just fine. I can take 10mg and have my ADD symptoms greatly diminished, I usually sell the rest because even if you don't "need" Adderall, it is a great tool that can be used responsibly. Plus I need money for food, being unemployed and all.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
#18864091 - 09/19/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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free will, use it
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annnnd a second failed attempt at a helpful response.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
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st1llnox said: I made a 4.0 in a flagship state school's Engineering program for a semester without Adderall; just ambition. Then came the alcohol... Then after a 3.0 semester, I made mostly A's after I discovered Adderall (which also helped damage control my GPA when I became a stoner).
Makes me wonder what I'd be capable of WITH Adderall AND not stoned and drunk the whole time (I was drunk and stoned the entire finals week where I set the record for... [CENSORED, GETTING EGOTISTICAL, YOU'RE WELCOME lol]).
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Paul Erdos is a great counterexample of how people can accomplish a LOT more on them than off.
I went through his publication history and dug through some biographical articles to find out when he started taking amphetamines.
He started in 1971 and his output nearly doubled for the rest of his life.
However, when they took away his precious pills for a month, we was worthless till he was back on them.
So you proved you can accomplish a 4.0 GPA without drugs. Did you catch ADD after that semester?
Now you want to become someone who can't function without drugs. I hope you find a career that embraces your addictions.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
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Luc1d said: annnnd a second failed attempt at a helpful response. 
It's really simple, just fucking quit, really that weak in the mind?
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: AWS]
#18864120 - 09/19/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I got prescribed vyvanse last fall to justify poor study habits. Amphetamines suck; they change one's personality, and not for the better.
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Luc1d said: annnnd a second failed attempt at a helpful response. 
It's really simple, just fucking quit, really that weak in the mind?
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: McTwist]
#18864134 - 09/19/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They'll prescribe anyone anything if you have a decent enough story
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
#18864138 - 09/19/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dexedrine destroys adderall in every way, but desoxyn is king. My bro is rackin up a few lines of it right now actually 
I like street glass better though. I wish I could figure out how to extract the meth out of the desoxyn, there's so much filler.
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MystiqueMushroom said: They'll prescribe anyone anything if you have a decent enough story
And you'll say anything if you think people care what you think.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18864172 - 09/19/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Someone has to be the voice of reason around here
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You think you're a voice of reason?
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MystiqueMushroom said: They'll prescribe anyone anything if you have a decent enough story
yeah basically sums up how I got my prescription. Stuff is poison. I can always tell who's prescribed usually based on their mannerisms.
I really don't know about ADD and ADHD, but whatever, if I ever have children, they aren't getting any shitty prescriptions. Have any of y'all tried coping strategies other than drugs?
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
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i love these types. they really make me laugh heartily.
voice of reason.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: McTwist]
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MystiqueMushroom said: They'll prescribe anyone anything if you have a decent enough story
yeah basically sums up how I got my prescription. Stuff is poison. I can always tell who's prescribed usually based on their mannerisms.
I really don't know about ADD and ADHD, but whatever, if I ever have children, they aren't getting any shitty prescriptions. Have any of y'all tried coping strategies other than drugs?
you ever try pertaining to an answer, logically, and not forthcoming with your projections about how lower ones thinking would be if it didn't correspond to yours?
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
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guys dont panic! akira is here to share his godly wisdom with all of us!
what ever would we do without his oh-so-enjoyable posts!!!
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MystiqueMushroom said: They'll prescribe anyone anything if you have a decent enough story
And you'll say anything if you think people care what you think.

You love mushrooms and DMT but you're too good for amphetamine .
I bet you think cathinone/cathine is natural and great:


But amphetamine is for losers:

I think you're the mad one
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
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what ever would we do without his oh-so-enjoyable posts!!!
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
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what ever would we do without his oh-so-enjoyable posts!!!
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
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Hurh? I'm just asking if anyone has seriously tried to develop effective study habits without the use of amphetamine or methylphenidate. I honestly believe if someone wishes to live a healthy, vibrant lifestyle, they need to ditch heavy/daily use of prescription narcotics. I've always had study issues, had difficulty retaining information, etc. But then I looked inward and realized amphetamines weren't helping me out; they were simply a crutch hindering personal development. I had worked the ADD diagnosis so deeply into my mind that I actually believed I needed these pills to function.
If ya can't function without em or simply don't want to, that's your choice. But learning strategies exist to overcome cognitive disabilities. Just saying, you don't need to be rude. After all, the thread is "Let's talk about Adderall."
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: McTwist]
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McTwist said: Hurh? I'm just asking if anyone has seriously tried to develop effective study habits without the use of amphetamine or methylphenidate. I honestly believe if someone wishes to live a healthy, vibrant lifestyle, they need to ditch heavy/daily use of prescription narcotics. I've always had study issues, had difficulty retaining information, etc. But then I looked inward and realized amphetamines weren't helping me out; they were simply a crutch hindering personal development. I had worked the ADD diagnosis so deeply into my mind that I actually believed I needed these pills to function.
If ya can't function without em or simply don't want to, that's your choice. But learning strategies exist to overcome cognitive disabilities. Just saying, you don't need to be rude. After all, the thread is "Let's talk about Adderall."
Today I learned amphetamine is a narcotic

Maybe you should have taken your Adderall before pharmacology lecture.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
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you know what I mean bragh
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
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MystiqueMushroom said: They'll prescribe anyone anything if you have a decent enough story
And you'll say anything if you think people care what you think.

You love mushrooms and DMT but you're too good for amphetamine .
I bet you think cathinone/cathine is natural and great:


But amphetamine is for losers:

I think you're the mad one 
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: McTwist]
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no you weren't otherwise you would have said that. look at your post again.
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I'm able to laugh at myself on a daily basis. It doesn't look like you are though, Mr. My-Drugs-Are-Better-Than-Yours (or is it Mr. Psychedelics-Make-Me-Enlightened?).
Oh bro, just eat right, and clear your mind, and do some yoga every day maaaan, I swear, the pharma companies are out to enslave the population maaan, just eat some of these mushrooms and you'll finally realize everything that's going on in life .
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Fitting name you have there
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
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I'm able to laugh at myself on a daily basis. It doesn't look like you are though, Mr. My-Drugs-Are-Better-Than-Yours (or is it Mr. Psychedelics-Make-Me-Enlightened?).
Oh bro, just eat right, and clear your mind, and do some yoga every day maaaan, I swear, the pharma companies are out to enslave the population maaan, just eat some of these mushrooms and you'll finally realize everything that's going on in life .
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
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st1llnox said: It seems a lot of people on here who could benefit are being denied it owing to their "comorbid substance abuse" as a youknowwhat-chiatrist would say.
It also seems like it's popular here to abuse it, but mainly among people who, like myself, have legitimate prescriptions. I've never taken it recreationally, but I've taken extra to stay up before. 
Why? That's recreational use. Don't try to make it sound like you aren't abusing it, because you are if you only take it to stay up longer, unless you have narcolepsy.
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[Your prescription] has been delayed and we're waiting on further information from your insurance carrier
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. There goes Calculus for the next couple days, unless the Hyperfocus Goddess could let me zoom in on math just this once...
This is another sign of having an addiction. Yelling and swearing when your prescription is delayed. Also, you're using Adderall as a crutch to do school work. You need to learn how to do school work and have the drive to do it while completely sober (not on Adderall or any drug). It'll be better for you in the long run.
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-I've rampantly abused weed, K2, DXM, and alcohol -I've been to rehab but left -I want some fucking Adderall
I find it oddly peculiar that you need to get more hard drugs since you are taking a break from DXM... just stay sober, man! You can do it, you don't need Adderall. It's so bad for you.
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This doesn't sound healthy, yet you still are vigorously pursuing Adderall.
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I think Adderall is a strong drug that gives you motivation and is easily addicting and unhealthy. I think only those with very bad ADHD/ADD should use it, period.
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Have you even tried to do schoolwork not on Adderall?
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lifeiswhatyoumake said:There goes Calculus for the next couple days, unless the Hyperfocus Goddess could let me zoom in on math just this once...
Have you even tried to do schoolwork not on Adderall?
Have you even tried not to sound like a fucking know-it-all douchebag?
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Hmm maybe you should stop getting so damn defensive and think about what were saying, your the one acting like a douche lets get that straight
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Have you even tried to do schoolwork not on Adderall?
Have you even tried not to sound like a fucking know-it-all douchebag?
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no, you dorks are impassive fucking douches who just don't fucking stop. it's sad, because you DON'T REALIZE IT YOURSELVES.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
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Akira your talking to a fucking mirror bro
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yeah, i know. it's refracting the lens flare of stupidity that is your consciousness.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
#18864468 - 09/19/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18864476 - 09/19/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Akira your just so enlightened bro idk what to say
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I was finally able to get a prescription for 30 mg XR.. Fuck paying stupid street prices for the stuff. Helps a ton with getting things done, only problem is I always wanna take more than one and I run out fast
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: AWS]
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st1llnox said: I made a 4.0 in a flagship state school's Engineering program for a semester without Adderall; just ambition. Then came the alcohol... Then after a 3.0 semester, I made mostly A's after I discovered Adderall (which also helped damage control my GPA when I became a stoner).
Makes me wonder what I'd be capable of WITH Adderall AND not stoned and drunk the whole time (I was drunk and stoned the entire finals week where I set the record for... [CENSORED, GETTING EGOTISTICAL, YOU'RE WELCOME lol]).
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Paul Erdos is a great counterexample of how people can accomplish a LOT more on them than off.
I went through his publication history and dug through some biographical articles to find out when he started taking amphetamines.
He started in 1971 and his output nearly doubled for the rest of his life.
However, when they took away his precious pills for a month, we was worthless till he was back on them.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: vinsue]
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I take 2 25 xrs every day at work, but recently just one 25xr has been keeping me focused. Vyvanse kept me awake too much and felt way too strong. I prefer 60mg of dexedrine IR but my doctor doesn't like giving it.
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GreyMorph said: I love that shit, not for the euphoria but for productiveness. It's beast mode.
I'm drunk so I'm sparing you guys my floppy, tipsy self addressing all the replies until I'm sober tomorrow, but that said...
BEAST MODE INDEED.
I got through 7% of my old Calculus 1 class's material in ONE SITTING tonight now that I got Adddy again (insurance is still giving trouble, but my mom said she'd been saving a half bottle that I never bothered taking in case something like this or a shortage happened).
To preempt you all though till I reply in depth, let me assure you that I'm not "addicted". I think I may be psychologically "addicted"/dependent in a way since I lack confidence in myself without it (and even with it, but that's an issue beyond the scope of this) which can't be healthy.
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When ex-psychiatrist dropped me so he could hire me as a research assistant and collaborator, I went to a Psychiatrist who has dealt with addiction herself (8 years clean from Oxycontin) hoping it would be a good fit, and I made it a point when she acted like she was St. Peter between me and Adderall to actually set up an Adderall transaction in front of her when she refused to prescribe it (if you like tripping balls on DXM, you're ALREADY addicted to Adderall... trust me, a doctor said so... lol) and called ex-psych to get a new psychiatrist referal, also in front of her.
She then accused me of being in a hypomania. No, it's just I had more relevant things to do. Better than stealing her pharmacoepia.
I don't like the XRs, although maybe that would ease the comedown effects. I like to be able to dose in precise, 3-4 hour increments with the IRs.
Still, the 30xrs were nice cause I could take one and really not have to think about it *most* of the day.
I've heard fables of 40xr's but I could find no mention in my ex-psychdoc's Physician Desk Reference, nor the Drug Identification (Super?)Bible, nor the Tarascon 2012 Adult Psychiatrica. 
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Zee007 suggested Vyvanse and the 12-step-lobotomized psychiatrist I saw briefly (above, but I'm proud of her for beating her percocet addiction) said if I get a stimulant, it's gonna be Vyvanse cause it's harder to abuse but a softer comedown (rather than falling off the "adderall shelf" as I call it) would be great.
Unfortunately, I suffer from bouts of insomnia anyway, without respect to how well I'm managing sleep hygiene (just now learned how to spell that word... I'm such a boy) and worse yet, antihistamines give me an inverse reaction (read: the worlds most popular OTC sleep aid makes me hypomanic... ) so benzo's are my only option.
So, I immediately anticipated that if I were on enough Vyvanse to keep me focussed, sleep's going to be an issue WHICH IS HUGE because SLEEP REALLY HELPS WITH FOCUS AS MUCH AS ADDERALL!!!
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
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Your high dewd. Ramble on.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
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Any good doctor will tell you, in spite of its addictive properties, amphetamine in normal pharmacological doses is very benign.
There is a huge myth that it is super-unhealthy, well, uh, yeah it is, if you take monstrous doses and ignore your basic hygiene and nutrition.
Adderall is one of the few drugs the doctor who is treating me for HCV doesn't mind me taking.
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Adderall is one of the few drugs the doctor who is treating me for HCV doesn't mind me taking.
ya I suppose when I said Adderall is unhealthy I was referring to large doses, but it depends on the person's metabolism and weight, too, I think.
I think if one takes Adderall and it messes up their sleep cycle then that prob isn't too health, either.
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Yeah healthy.. with no scientific backing to any of those statements.
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/selected-issues/problem-amphetamine
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The most serious psychopathological harms associated with amphetamines use include psychosis, depression, suicidal behaviour, anxiety and violent behaviour (Darke et al., 2008). Psychosis induced by amphetamines is typically transient, involves delusions and hallucinations, and is similar to paranoid schizophrenia. It lasts for hours to days, and in severe cases may require hospitalisation and medication. Regular users of amphetamines commonly experience various psychotic symptoms, including feelings of persecution and auditory, visual and tactile hallucinations (such as a perception of parasites in the skin). In contrast to early studies, which attributed the onset of psychosis to pre-existing conditions, recent research shows that amphetamines use may cause psychosis. Psychosis, however, is not an inevitable consequence of amphetamines use, but its likelihood is dramatically increased by heavy use of the drug (Darke et al., 2008;)
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Amphetamines users are at elevated risk of cardiac pathology, including serious events such as unstable angina, and myocardial ischaemia and infarction. The risk is not likely to be limited to the duration of drug use, because the chronic cardiovascular pathology associated with amphetamines use may make the side-effects of the drug use more long-lasting. The risks are greatest among chronic amphetamines users, and pre-existing cardiac pathology, due to amphetamines use itself or to other factors, increases the risk of an acute cardiac event. Psychostimulant-induced cerebrovascular problems are also well recognised. Studies report an increase in the risk of ischaemic and haemorrhagic stroke, and a substantially higher associated risk of death linked to such events (Darke et al., 2008). It is impossible to assess the risk of serious cardiac events solely on the basis of dose and level of use, as other factors may also play an important role. For this reason, information on potential cardiovascular complications related to amphetamines should be targeted to all users, not just dependent and chronic users.
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Other health effects and risks include neurotoxicity (12), risks associated with driving, dental disease, and maybe foetal growth restriction associated with amphetamines use during pregnancy. Alterations in brain structure and chemistry have been documented in heavy users of illicit amphetamines, although the clinical implications of these findings remain uncertain (Chang et al., 2007). Epidemiological data on the risks associated with the use of amphetamines when driving are rare and inconsistent (EMCDDA, 2008). Methamphetamine use has been associated with poor oral hygiene, including severe tooth decay and tooth wear (Hamamoto and Rhodus, 2009). Methamphetamine use causes xerostomia (dry mouth) and bruxism (teeth clenching and grinding), leading to rampant caries as users neglect their dental hygiene while frequently consuming carbonated sugary beverages. While some studies on amphetamines and pregnancy found insufficient evidence to evaluate the developmental toxicity of therapeutic amphetamines (Golub et al., 2005), another study found a 3.5 fold increased risk of foetal growth restriction among babies of women using methamphetamine during pregnancy (Smith et al., 2006).
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
#18865134 - 09/19/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Yeah healthy.. with no scientific backing to any of those statements.
I don't need to back up my statements because it should be common knowledge that amphetamines aren't healthy for you.
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its definitely more hardcore of a drug than caffeine...seems like it anyhow. no research to back that up just my take on it.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: g00ru]
#18865223 - 09/19/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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g00ru said: its definitely more hardcore of a drug than caffeine...seems like it anyhow. no research to back that up just my take on it.
Yeah I remember back to 5th grade in DARE class (Drug Abuse Resistance Education), there was a whole unit on caffeine but I didn't even learn the word "amphetamine" until college.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
#23086748 - 04/05/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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thats meth though, meth is made with battery acid and if you've ever tasted molly, it tastes like shit because it isn't made right. my understanding of this subject is this-
Diet pills were derived from the plant ephedra. Ephedrine (ingredient in diet pills) used to be legal and also comes from the chinese plant ephedra. here is a quote i found-
(Amphetamine analogs are produced by plants in the genus Ephedra and by Catha edulis, and include the widely used decongestants and appetite suppressants pseudoephedrine and ephedrine.) http://www.cell.com/trends/plant-science/abstract/S1360-1385(12)00056-8
analogue means that ephedra turns into amphetamine so adderall is very similar to taking ephedra. I read somewhere too that they use ephedra to make amphetamines but they could easily synthetically mimic the same structure.
Most people who are against adderal just say it because they don't have insurance and they can't get it. But I say it's worth it, it helps you lose weight and clears up your sinuses. It depends your age though, I don't think it'd be good for kids under 20.
I've tried a lot of pills and drugs and this one doesn't have withdrawal symptoms and is very hard to overdose on
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