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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18863970 - 09/19/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm more curious of the evidence that ADHD meds actually help improve academic performance.  They may help individuals improve performance in sustained, repetitive menial tasks, but I don't think there's a lot of evidence they improve academic performance beyond reversal of fatigue.

In fact one of the more recent studies found just that:  that kids taking meds didn't do better in the long-term.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: badchad]
    #18864009 - 09/19/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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MystiqueMushroom said:
PILLS SOLVE EVERYTHING, just eat your pills, go home, watch t.v. and eat your mcdonalds, everything is gonna be ok








Read that article about France I posted earlier in this thread; you'd find it interesting.



And to make sure I'm serving truth rather than opinion, I will give the counterexample that I made a 4.0 in a flagship state school's Engineering program for a semester without Adderall; just ambition. Then came the alcohol... :datass:  Then after a 3.0 semester, I made mostly A's after I discovered Adderall (which also helped damage control my GPA when I became a stoner).

Makes me wonder what I'd be capable of WITH Adderall AND not stoned and drunk the whole time (I was drunk and stoned the entire finals week where I set the record for... [CENSORED, GETTING EGOTISTICAL, YOU'RE WELCOME lol]).
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badchad said:
I'm more curious of the evidence that ADHD meds actually help improve academic performance.  They may help individuals improve performance in sustained, repetitive menial tasks, but I don't think there's a lot of evidence they improve academic performance beyond reversal of fatigue.

In fact one of the more recent studies found just that:  that kids taking meds didn't do better in the long-term.





The problem too is in ADHD studies, most of the "has ADHD group" have brains that have been exposed to amphetamine since early grade school and their nucleus accumbi are consequently a little fucked.

I think they can only fix a problem and they help that way, except in cases where people are wanting/needing to get more out of their brains than a normal brain allows concentration-wise, such as how 20 some percent of scientists supposedly use nootropics including Ritalin (mainly, as well as Addy, Dexie, etcetie).



Paul Erdos is a great counterexample of how people can accomplish a LOT more on them than off.

I went through his publication history and dug through some biographical articles to find out when he started taking amphetamines.

He started in 1971 and his output nearly doubled for the rest of his life.

However, when they took away his precious pills for a month, we was worthless till he was back on them.


It may not be permanent, but you either have to stick to it or pay the piper. Even if you stick to it, the piper will get his due: Erdos died of a heart embolism, although he was 80-something.



I, and I'm sure others who chomp down amphetamine several times a day, have in the back of my mind that I don't want to take these forever. Come what may, though. :shrug:


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
    #18864016 - 09/19/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If it's anything like all your other posts I've read it's not worth my time


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18864030 - 09/19/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

sit and meditate! it'll all be ok!


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
    #18864031 - 09/19/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"Lets talk about adderall"

ok, lets:



i have been perscribed to adderall for 4 years now. i ran out of ills about 2 weeks ago, the last 2 weeks have been some of the roughest ive ever had, a dependence/addiction has shown itself fully to me.


i re upped on my script today, and have had a really good day. its fucked up


i realized i have a problem :sad:

its actually quite frightening to me, that i have dug myself this hole.


any advice anybody?


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InvisibleMystiqueMushroom

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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
    #18864049 - 09/19/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Idk maybe QUIT?

You already know the answers, just do it.

Get off the pills, eat healthy, exercise, take of your body and mind.


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InvisibleMystiqueMushroom

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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18864050 - 09/19/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MystiqueMushroom said:
Idk maybe QUIT?

You already know the answers, just do it.

Get off the pills, eat healthy, exercise, take care of your body and mind.




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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
    #18864053 - 09/19/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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MystiqueMushroom said:
If it's anything like all your other posts I've read it's not worth my time




Clearly you don't want to read something relevant to whatever point you're trying to make (which isn't a post of mine; it's a piece of journalism).

Ignore me if you hate reading my posts that much (your loss), or for a more reasonable compromise, maybe just don't read them? :dumbass:
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Luc1d said:
"Lets talk about adderall"

ok, lets:



i have been perscribed to adderall for 4 years now. i ran out of ills about 2 weeks ago, the last 2 weeks have been some of the roughest ive ever had, a dependence/addiction has shown itself fully to me.


i re upped on my script today, and have had a really good day. its fucked up


i realized i have a problem :sad:

its actually quite frightening to me, that i have dug myself this hole.


any advice anybody?





Absolutely friend.

Firstly, you got THE WORST that you're POSSIBLY ever going to get, withdrawal wise.

Addiction is a separate phenomenon from the physiological tolerance to a drug that you're prescribed and using therapeutically.

Really, what you had there is literally THE WORST you could have possibly experienced.

Let me guess: can barely get out of bed, depressed, fatigued, short-tempered?



To do it properly, you want to start SLOWLY weaning off. This will be much less discouraging than seeing the full withdrawal at once, which you won't ever have to do again if you don't want to.

Addiction aside, there's still psychological dependence (I may be guilty of this), habituation (edging eve so closer to addiction), etc.

I've read of other shroomerites who were on it for TWICE as long as you and they made it back to themselves just fine.

If you swear off the stuff for good, are you ever going to study geology so long that your butt hurts? (true story)

No, but you won't have to worry about it and if you wanted to use it just for a sparing, AS NEEDED boost as many of my friends did when they graduated college, it will be all the more effective although still different from someone who hasn't accrued years of exposure to it like I have.

PM me if you'd like. Zee007 could be a valuable resource to you as well.


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st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
    #18864078 - 09/19/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MystiqueMushroom said:
Idk maybe QUIT?

You already know the answers, just do it.

Get off the pills, eat healthy, exercise, take of your body and mind.





HA.....you underestimate the way this specific substance manifests its addiction.


and st1llnox....thank you for that reply, i may be hitting you up for advice sometime.


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18864085 - 09/19/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MystiqueMushroom said:
Idk maybe QUIT?

You already know the answers, just do it.

Get off the pills, eat healthy, exercise, take of your body and mind.




I eat healthy, exercise, and take care of my body.  When I switched to my new doctor he had an EKG ordered to check my heart.  After four years of being prescribed to 40mg a day of Adderall my heart is just fine.  I can take 10mg and have my ADD symptoms greatly diminished, I usually sell the rest because even if you don't "need" Adderall, it is a great tool that can be used responsibly.  Plus I need money for food, being unemployed and all.


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
    #18864091 - 09/19/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

free will, use it


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18864099 - 09/19/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

annnnd a second failed attempt at a helpful response. :thumbup:


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
    #18864108 - 09/19/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

st1llnox said:
I made a 4.0 in a flagship state school's Engineering program for a semester without Adderall; just ambition. Then came the alcohol... :datass:  Then after a 3.0 semester, I made mostly A's after I discovered Adderall (which also helped damage control my GPA when I became a stoner).

Makes me wonder what I'd be capable of WITH Adderall AND not stoned and drunk the whole time (I was drunk and stoned the entire finals week where I set the record for... [CENSORED, GETTING EGOTISTICAL, YOU'RE WELCOME lol]).

......

Paul Erdos is a great counterexample of how people can accomplish a LOT more on them than off.

I went through his publication history and dug through some biographical articles to find out when he started taking amphetamines.

He started in 1971 and his output nearly doubled for the rest of his life.

However, when they took away his precious pills for a month, we was worthless till he was back on them.





So you proved you can accomplish a 4.0 GPA without drugs. Did you catch ADD after that semester?

Now you want to become someone who can't function without drugs. I hope you find a career that embraces your addictions.


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InvisibleMystiqueMushroom

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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
    #18864118 - 09/19/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Luc1d said:
annnnd a second failed attempt at a helpful response. :thumbup:




It's really simple, just fucking quit, really that weak in the mind?


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: AWS]
    #18864120 - 09/19/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I got prescribed vyvanse last fall to justify poor study habits. Amphetamines suck; they change one's personality, and not for the better.


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18864131 - 09/19/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MystiqueMushroom said:
Quote:

Luc1d said:
annnnd a second failed attempt at a helpful response. :thumbup:




It's really simple, just fucking quit, really that weak in the mind?




yes, i suppose i am :strokebeard:


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: McTwist]
    #18864134 - 09/19/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They'll prescribe anyone anything if you have a decent enough story


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Luc1d]
    #18864138 - 09/19/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Dexedrine destroys adderall in every way, but desoxyn is king. My bro is rackin up a few lines of it right now actually :lol:

I like street glass better though. I wish I could figure out how to extract the meth out of the desoxyn, there's so much filler.


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18864155 - 09/19/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

honestly the only amphetamine I will do now is methamphetamine and then only if it is very high quality and only very very rarely. I did some last week for the first time in about 4 years, 150mg IV combo with 60mg oxycontin. :aweoverdose: that was only the beginning of an epic night.


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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18864158 - 09/19/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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MystiqueMushroom said:
They'll prescribe anyone anything if you have a decent enough story




And you'll say anything if you think people care what you think.


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