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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
#18863315 - 09/19/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i want some. there. talked about. 
Nice synopsis of the OP, as well.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: koods]
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luvdemboomers
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
I must say I completely disagree. IMO drugs like adderall are for lazy people with bad study habits. I honestly don't care if you use amphetamines to get through school. But don't give me that bullshit that you have a legitimate disease and you "need" amphetamines to function. Because you don't. It's an addictive drug and the more you use it the more you actually won't be able to function without it, because your dependent on it. Not because you have a disease.
If a doctor tried prescribing me ADD meds, I would never see that doctor again.
I never said I "need them." I am just saying ADHD is not bullshit, and the meds can be very helpful to someone who legitimately has adhd. I've been off amphetamines for two years and am doing fine, I've found ways to cope.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863357 - 09/19/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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st1llnox said:
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MystiqueMushroom said: Stupid thread and stupid drug
So why are you here? 
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
I must say I completely disagree. IMO drugs like adderall are for lazy people with bad study habits. I honestly don't care if you use amphetamines to get through school. But don't give me that bullshit that you have a legitimate disease and you "need" amphetamines to function. Because you don't. It's an addictive drug and the more you use it the more you actually won't be able to function without it, because your dependent on it. Not because you have a disease.
If a doctor tried prescribing me ADD meds, I would never see that doctor again.
You know, my new Adderall dispenser, an APRN, put it best just this morning:
Some people are treated for ADHD who don't have it and it helps, some of them it hurts. Some people have ADHD and aren't treated and do fine, while others don't live up to their potential (I was this way in high school and it pains me deeply to think of the scholarships I could have earned, the schools I could have gotten in with my ACT score, etc...) Some have something else entirely mistaken for ADHD Some have ADHD and its mistaken for something else (i.e. bipolar disorder, or "oh, sugar makes him hyper, etc.").
ADHD is real, but this is revealing, especially about our country: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/suffer-the-children/201203/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd
The book Boys Adrift by Dr. Leonard Sax is a FANTASTIC resource that really tears Adderall a new one, and really shows how stupid the pharmaco-pathologization of everything is.
I personally am the PICTURE of ADHD, but what boy isn't?
To guide the dialogue and conclude my point (and to specify what I'm getting at...)
ADHD is a real condition. It is not a disease though... it just so happens that 6 year old boys are NOT FUCKING EVOLVED TO SIT IN A CHAIR 7 HOURS A DAY.
When I told a friend I worked with at a MAJOR software corporation that I'm at McDonalds, she said "Oh, jeez, [C--------- Corporation] would take you back in a heart beat, and our team would love to have our intern back". I said, "Why would I go back to [Corporation]?".
I'm never going to do cubicle work, I'm sorry. I'm not evolved for that.
ADHD is not a disorder. It's a problem adapting and adjusting to the lifestyle we're expected to live that thousands of years of evolution primed us to live the opposite way compared to. 
If you like cubicle work, watch office space 
don't miss cubicle working either.... been doing that for too many years, almost destroyed my body... got very sick but I didn't care so got sicker
then psychedelics helped me find myself, never going back to cubicles so many hours a day, but maybe less hours one day
don't miss it that's for sure... almost any work is better, repetitious work is bliss in comparision money isn't all, as you know :-)
repetitious work is often the best, so your brain can think what it wants, without being stressed , and you can go home and be yourself after it easily - without working at home
no working except mon-fridays :-) , no sundays, no working @ home , just need money to live most work types can fulfill that
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
I must say I completely disagree. IMO drugs like adderall are for lazy people with bad study habits. I honestly don't care if you use amphetamines to get through school. But don't give me that bullshit that you have a legitimate disease and you "need" amphetamines to function. Because you don't. It's an addictive drug and the more you use it the more you actually won't be able to function without it, because your dependent on it. Not because you have a disease.
If a doctor tried prescribing me ADD meds, I would never see that doctor again.
I never said I "need them." I am just saying ADHD is not bullshit, and the meds can be very helpful to someone who legitimately has adhd. I've been off amphetamines for two years and am doing fine, I've found ways to cope.
QFT, except I'm using them again. It's hard to relearn Calculus for next semester with this Alienware sitting here, just brimming with awesome games...
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863580 - 09/19/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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st1llnox said:
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MystiqueMushroom said: Stupid thread and stupid drug
So why are you here? 
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volcomstoner said:
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luvdemboomers said:
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volcomstoner said: ADD and ADHD are the biggest load of shit "diseases" ANYONE could be legitimately diagnosed with one of them.
not really, at least not a legitimate diagnosis.
I must say I completely disagree. IMO drugs like adderall are for lazy people with bad study habits. I honestly don't care if you use amphetamines to get through school. But don't give me that bullshit that you have a legitimate disease and you "need" amphetamines to function. Because you don't. It's an addictive drug and the more you use it the more you actually won't be able to function without it, because your dependent on it. Not because you have a disease.
If a doctor tried prescribing me ADD meds, I would never see that doctor again.
You know, my new Adderall dispenser, an APRN, put it best just this morning:
Some people are treated for ADHD who don't have it and it helps, some of them it hurts. Some people have ADHD and aren't treated and do fine, while others don't live up to their potential (I was this way in high school and it pains me deeply to think of the scholarships I could have earned, the schools I could have gotten in with my ACT score, etc...) Some have something else entirely mistaken for ADHD Some have ADHD and its mistaken for something else (i.e. bipolar disorder, or "oh, sugar makes him hyper, etc.").
ADHD is real, but this is revealing, especially about our country: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/suffer-the-children/201203/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd
The book Boys Adrift by Dr. Leonard Sax is a FANTASTIC resource that really tears Adderall a new one, and really shows how stupid the pharmaco-pathologization of everything is.
I personally am the PICTURE of ADHD, but what boy isn't?
To guide the dialogue and conclude my point (and to specify what I'm getting at...)
ADHD is a real condition. It is not a disease though... it just so happens that 6 year old boys are NOT FUCKING EVOLVED TO SIT IN A CHAIR 7 HOURS A DAY.
When I told a friend I worked with at a MAJOR software corporation that I'm at McDonalds, she said "Oh, jeez, [C--------- Corporation] would take you back in a heart beat, and our team would love to have our intern back". I said, "Why would I go back to [Corporation]?".
I'm never going to do cubicle work, I'm sorry. I'm not evolved for that.
ADHD is not a disorder. It's a problem adapting and adjusting to the lifestyle we're expected to live that thousands of years of evolution primed us to live the opposite way compared to. 
Because some people need to grow the fuck up
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863763 - 09/19/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used to get 120 10's but then I changed doctor and this fucker dropped me to 90. Fucker.
I love Adderall. I also love how much I can sell it for when I'm broke.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863768 - 09/19/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you can't develop good study habits then your fucked. Adderal blows and has no ability to improve test performance. The only thing it does is make you not fatigue as quickly. Thus you could study for long periods of time.
IMO it fucking blows dick! The high is shit and the feeling of being wired isn't comfortable. I could get more studying done being on an opiate then adderal.
I also believe ADD is a bullshit disorder.. Half the people I know who have prescriptions for amphetamines had the presumption that if they get this prescription then they will improve grades. They simply go in and say they can't focus and bam get a script. It's not like they are doing brain mapping and seeing legit reasons besides patient here say.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
#18863771 - 09/19/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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but your personality gets pumped up, though!1
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax] 1
#18863780 - 09/19/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I also believe ADD is a bullshit disorder..
And what qualifications do you have to make such a judgement .
Try going to a two hour lecture and trying your absolute hardest to concentrate on what is going on, and then realizing you haven't heard a single word in the last five minutes and tell me that ADD isn't a real disorder. OH wait, you can't, because you don't have ADD.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
#18863787 - 09/19/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: If you can't develop good study habits then your fucked. Adderal blows and has no ability to improve test performance. The only thing it does is make you not fatigue as quickly. Thus you could study for long periods of time.
IMO it fucking blows dick! The high is shit and the feeling of being wired isn't comfortable. I could get more studying done being on an opiate then adderal.
I also believe ADD is a bullshit disorder.. Half the people I know who have prescriptions for amphetamines had the presumption that if they get this prescription then they will improve grades. They simply go in and say they can't focus and bam get a script. It's not like they are doing brain mapping and seeing legit reasons besides patient here say.

Everyone's different. The first time I took adderall I had the strongest euphoria I have ever experienced and read a stupid ass book cover to cover and enjoyed every second.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
#18863797 - 09/19/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well for one I am in lecture every day of the week. What you explained is called "NOT PAYING ATTENTION"... continue to use a drug to get by instead of looking into the real reasons why you can't focus...
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
#18863833 - 09/19/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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you ingrate, he's saying he's paying attention, but he loses track of what is being told, despite his paying attention.
can you get over yourself, already?
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Mush4Brains
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: Gorlax]
#18863877 - 09/19/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Well for one I am in lecture every day of the week. What you explained is called "NOT PAYING ATTENTION"... continue to use a drug to get by instead of looking into the real reasons why you can't focus...
The real reason people with ADD can't focus? ADD.
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
#18863889 - 09/19/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Adderall is garbage for anything IMO desoxyn works amazingly well though and actually has a great recreational high.
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volcomstoner said: Adderall is garbage for anything IMO desoxyn works amazingly well though and actually has a great recreational high.
Methamphetamine HCl has a great recreational high? Who would have guessed?
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st1llnox
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Mush4Brains said: And what qualifications do you have to make such a judgement .
Try going to a two hour lecture and trying your absolute hardest to concentrate on what is going on, and then realizing you haven't heard a single word in the last five minutes and tell me that ADD isn't a real disorder. OH wait, you can't, because you don't have ADD.
It's kind of pathetic how unsympathetic people can be.
During some times in my life, I've been a little paradoxical: like, in middle school, I couldn't focus on modern language class so I would read medical thrillers instead (Robin Cook is an awesome author BTW).
Now, sometimes a book will grab me but especially with the subject matter I have to read, I will go PAGES and then realize I haven't read a single word... I was just moving my eyes over the words and thinking about Finland or some shit \
People don't get how fucking frustrating this is.
However, we have the superpower of HYPERFOCUS. Got something interesting? I'll become a world expert... give me 3 days lol.
But got something dull and uninteresting? Well, at least there's Adderall.
I can't wait to get ahold of some Tenex to help my working memory/thought clarity too alongside this Adderall for the focus.
I'm in a Starbucks doing Calculus 1 review right now, and man is this fucking fun!
For those of you that weren't humiliated over and over as a child when the teacher called on you and you hadn't been listening, or because it was your turn to read aloud in class and you were in la la land, try to show a little sympathy. ADHD is largely a hoax and the manifestation of RAMPANT patholigization of undesirable normal human behavior, but it does represent a real syndrome of sorts and one that has had very real consequences for some of us.
I spanked the ACT silly, for example, but had a shitty GPA or I might've been at Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, Berkeley... maybe even Harvard.
If not I could have certainly gotten more scholarships for my state school. I get Missouri's Top 2% scholarship based on ACT but I qualified for none because my GPA sucked.
If I'd discovered Adderall sooner, who knows where I'd be 
Maybe this is just an excuse to make me feel bad, and ADDERALL DOES AFFECT YOUR NUCLEUS ACCUMBENS IF YOU ARE EXPOSED WHILE YOU ARE STILL EARLY IN YOUR BRAIN DEVELOPMENTQuote:
volcomstoner said: Adderall is garbage for anything IMO desoxyn works amazingly well though and actually has a great recreational high.
Old doctor offered me this. I'm afraid of stomping out my dopamine system (supposedly Meth can knock out 40% of your ability to feel happy for years or permanently after one exposure, but with the drug wars obfuscation of facts, even polluting science with its agenda, who knows? ).
Dextromethamphetamine is also FDA approved for Obesity!
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: akira_akuma]
#18863954 - 09/19/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: you ingrate, he's saying he's paying attention, but he loses track of what is being told, despite his paying attention.
can you get over yourself, already?
OMFG Thank you 
Seriously people... at the point where you're looking at the teacher and the board, trying to take notes, and still can't maintain an open channel to the information, there's only so much you can do.
Same thing when the book's open and the problems out and the pens in your hand, but you're just looking at the pages. If that's not at least trying, I don't know what is.
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IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here
  
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Re: Let's talk about Adderall [Re: st1llnox]
#18863961 - 09/19/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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PILLS SOLVE EVERYTHING, just eat your pills, go home, watch t.v. and eat your mcdonalds, everything is gonna be ok
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