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ShamanT


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Panaeolus Cambodginiensis
#18862850 - 09/19/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey mushroom people, I have a few questions about Pan Cams. Firstly, are Pan Cam and Panaeolus Goliath the same thing?
When it comes to cultivating, what's the best substrate to use? And would the usual monotub tek work with this strain?
Any input will be appreciated
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: ShamanT]
#18862890 - 09/19/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're not really looking for yield you can always just case the colonized grains (grass seed) and fruit in a sgfc. A monotub style will also work with various substrates that include poo. One of the bigger differences between pans and cubes is the substrate depth and the necessity of a casing layer. The substrate depth for pans should be shallow and the casing layer thin ( around 1/4 inch)
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ShamanT


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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18862938 - 09/19/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What about maximum yield possible? :P
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: ShamanT]
#18862982 - 09/19/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Add some toliet paper to your hpoo.
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ShamanT


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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: tonpole]
#18863007 - 09/19/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What would the toilet paper do?
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: ShamanT]
#18863031 - 09/19/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had good experiences with straight rye grain and also with a rye grain, straw and horse poo mixture. Casing layer was coir, mixed with around 30% vermiculie. Take care of fanning and humidity! Also take care of high poo containing subsrates - they contaminate much easier then pure grain substrates...
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: mannextdoor]
#18863072 - 09/19/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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MND what would you say about 68% rye, 29% poo and 3% other shit that's with the poo (straw/grass, etc.) for substrate? And would 50/50+ work any better as casing?
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: ShamanT]
#18863136 - 09/19/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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why u want to maximize your flushes? one flush will make a whole room of people trip balls.
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ShamanT


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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: tonpole]
#18863146 - 09/19/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That depends on how many people are in that room lol.
I have a few ideas I'd like to try, so the more I can get, the more room for experimenting
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: ShamanT]
#18863183 - 09/19/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well apparently they degrade really quick when dried so their only really worth it fresh. also the bactosyin get oxidized too so you lose most of the pan magic.
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: tonpole]
#18863280 - 09/19/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did not know that. Cheers for the info . I thought the psilocybin and psilocin percentage increases when dried due to the greater dry mass (more concerntrated because less water)? and i dry with cool air, so heat won't evapourated nor break down the psilo content. I guess it wouldn't matter too much if you have shit loads lol
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Edited by ShamanT (09/19/13 02:56 PM)
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: ShamanT]
#18863396 - 09/19/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psilocin gets degraded, cybin doesnt, bacteo does. cybin converts to cin in stomach so its all the same affect, less the bacteo. maybe if u use dryrid instead of fan it might help.
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: tonpole]
#18863473 - 09/19/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry if i sound like a noob, but what's bacteo? A trippy alkaloid? And what do you mean by dryrid?
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: tonpole]
#18863499 - 09/19/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are enzymes at work that will degrade the alkaloids in active species of mushrooms over time. Heat speeds up the enzymatic reactions and thus will speed up the degradation of the alkaloids in the active species of mushrooms. So no matter what there will be a potency loss when drying mushrooms. If they are fan dried and then put into a desiccant chamber one must still account for the time that process takes. While using a food dehydrator exposes the mushrooms to heat, the process of drying is shortened. So in that respect, fresh mushrooms will always have more alkaloids in them then dried. Temperature wise Psilocybin and Psilocin don't break down until around 360F and 260F respectively with Baeocystin being less stable than Psilocin.
Baeocystin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baeocystin
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Edited by Sagescruffy (09/19/13 03:27 PM)
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ShamanT


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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18866322 - 09/20/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cheers for the info and link. Very helpful . Would it still be more potent than cubes, even after degrading?
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: ShamanT]
#18868250 - 09/20/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
ShamanT said: Would it still be more potent than cubes, even after degrading?
Weight-by-weight........yes.
1g dried pan cambos = 3g dried cubensis IME.
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ShamanT


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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: MacMerdin]
#18870850 - 09/21/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah sweet
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Re: Panaeolus Cambodginiensis [Re: ShamanT]
#18916097 - 10/01/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sry for my late reply :-(
I just mix my Substrate roughly (not nearly accurate as you), so I can give you only hints: Try less poo for your first experiments (maybe around 5 - 10 % poo). The Ratio of rye to straw isn´t that important (but you should be sure to have enough carbohydrates in your Substrate, so more rye than straw, maybe 2 - 4 : 1). But these numbers are only a rough estimation. Feel free to experiment! I had Problems with contaminants if I got over 50% cow dung pellets (but this isn´t the preferable poo for panaeolus in my opinion - much better is aged horse poo!).
And yes, Panaeolus are much more potent (per weight) as P. cubensis! So be careful during dosing...;-)
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