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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18859572 - 09/18/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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VivaLaMushie said:
The next black person I see, I'm going to go up to them, shake their hand and pat them on the back and apologize that they have such horrible lives.




I won't.The ones I deal with do not have horrible lives.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: something super extreme] * 1
    #18859573 - 09/18/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

being part of a racial minority, i could say not normally, but sometimes people sometimes definitely look at you a little weird if you do something outside of what they think what normal people of that race would act.

sometimes i feel like some people are preprogrammed to perceive you a certain way and then they treat you that way as such, but not to an extreme extent. maybe ever so slightly for some.

its whatever but you can change their view of you if you have enough power to control situations and be authentic at the same time.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: mr sniffles] * 4
    #18859581 - 09/18/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Everybody makes expectations about everybody on first sight.  This is not a race based phenomenon.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: mr sniffles]
    #18859599 - 09/18/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

For me, if you respect me I respect you.


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Re: [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18859606 - 09/18/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Everybody makes expectations about everybody on first sight.  This is not a race based phenomenon.



eh, yea. all part of the system of discrimination and prejudice of people who seem different from what you're usually used to.

EDIT: i hope you are not saying that race in some cases for some people does not add or at least find a foundation for how they first judge or perceive you


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: memes]
    #18859607 - 09/18/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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memes said:
Wiccan, you do not, and can not, understand race relations in America.  You've never lived in a rough american neighborhood populated mostly by low-income blacks and black families.  That's all i'm sayin.  I have.  And I know why everyone in this thread is responding as ignorantly as they are.





Yes. This. He is right. 100%.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: B_BOY]
    #18859609 - 09/18/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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B_BOY said:
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qman said:
Shouldn't black males be in more fear of other black males than of cops?  Statistically speaking, they should fear people of their own culture much more than of law enforcement.  The poem never addressed that truth.



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: setb]
    #18859613 - 09/18/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: memes] * 2
    #18859644 - 09/18/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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VivaLaMushie said:
You two are assuming because we are white that we are privileged. That's racist.




You're all so white (I am too), you don't even  understand what privilege black people are talking about (I don't, fully). 



It's not a privilege of money, or of the ability to drink from a certain fountain or drive a certain car.  It's the privilege to avoid inherently negative stereotypes before doing anything to warrant the application of a specifically negative stereotype.  That's as accurately as I can describe it.  And I'm not sure it hits the mark.

I'm not here to debate, because it's clear all of your minds are not open to such an idea.  You have your ingrained viewpoints - I get it.  I used to hold them.  Then I got battered in the head enough by my smart black friends - and now i see a little of the light.  Just because I can see the light, doesn't mean I can feel the heat.  I'll never feel the heat, i'm white.





"you don't understand what privilege black people are talking about" 

That's a huge assumption on your part, don't project what you think people do or don't understand, the PC rule book that you follow is full of misconceptions, and this "you don't understand" (because you are white) is one of them.

"You have your ingrained viewpoints - I get it. I used to hold them."

I find this statement insulting, are suggesting that you are more "enlightened" than other white people? Just because some of your black friends convinced you into white guilt, I would hardly called that being enlightened, maybe your "new" viewpoints are more ingrained than most?


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 3
    #18859669 - 09/18/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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VivaLaMushie said:
Yeah I'm rolling my eyes at Wiccans comment.



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VivaLaMushie said:
Yeah I'm rolling my eyes at Wiccans comment.



Wiccan the White Guilt admin has a nice ring to it :grin:




He should totally change his title to: "White guilt admin".


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18859672 - 09/18/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:

I find this statement insulting, are suggesting that you are more "enlightened" than other white people?




As a British friend of mine says, thats a load of bollocks. Insulting, really now? With all your talk of your knowledge of the PC rule book that memes allegedly follows and your accusations that his friends instilled white guilt in him, who exactly is the one fancying himself more enlightened than others?

You're doing the very things you condemn so drop the insulted part :smile:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman] * 2
    #18859686 - 09/18/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

White guilt admin that doesn't know shit about living in America because he doesn't live here.

Has a good ring to it.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18859703 - 09/18/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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VivaLaMushie said:
For me, if you respect me I respect you.




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VivaLaMushie said:
White guilt admin that doesn't know shit about living in America because he doesn't live here.

Has a good ring to it.





You're full of shit. Where's your respect for me?


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante] * 2
    #18859712 - 09/18/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You had no respect for me this entire thread.

Eat my shorts.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18859721 - 09/18/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see where you get that idea.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
    #18859753 - 09/18/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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qman said:

I find this statement insulting, are suggesting that you are more "enlightened" than other white people?




As a British friend of mine says, thats a load of bollocks. Insulting, really now? With all your talk of your knowledge of the PC rule book that memes allegedly follows and your accusations that his friends instilled white guilt in him, who exactly is the one fancying himself more enlightened than others?

You're doing the very things you condemn so drop the insulted part :smile:




"who exactly is the one fancying himself more enlightened than others?"

An assertion he made about myself and other members, "don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race."

Another huge assumption on his part, generalizing that we don't "attempt to understand".


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18859797 - 09/18/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

people should just start judging people on an individual basis rather than race, stereotypes, and prejudice.

took me a while to get used to the feeling of vibing people instead of mainly projecting images, worrying about how i come off, or whatever to start to get a feel of who people are personally or at least in your personal space.

the people who are truly prejudice or especially ignorant will be wondering why you do not conform to the way you look and judge your personality again. the people who are more understanding will try to trace them and come up with a less unbiased answer.

sorry, not much broad view sociological vantage point but i tend to be more personal i guess.

EDIT: it does not matter if youre black white yellow or brown if you have lived all your life in a society where you spend the majority of your time with people of the same race and stick with them you will not get a feel what it is like in a multicultural, multirace society. even if you do the only way you will be fully integrated is to start talking to people and getting to know them on a more personal level.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18859804 - 09/18/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

But right in the same sentence you do it too:

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That's a huge assumption on your part, don't project what you think people do or don't understand, the PC rule book that you follow is full of misconceptions




You dont know the "PC rulebook that Memes follows", thats a huge assumption on your part. Memes isnt all that PC, he just at this instance takes an understanding stance, full of caveats of that he still not grasps the full ramifications, and immediately the guns get aimed at him and he starts getting blasted as if hes the age old enemy of PC-ness.  And calling what he says "white guilt" thats just nonsenses rhetoric to silence him without even listening to him.

This trench warfare mentality of attacking every word paralyzes the debate because it forces Camp A to say nothing Positive regarding Stance X and forces Camp B into saying nothing Negative. The result is that both sides come off as presenting twodimensional caricatures of their true beliefs


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
    #18859990 - 09/18/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:nodofunderstanding:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
    #18860463 - 09/18/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

it's as if you are saying "life isn't black and white"


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