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Ramblin Man
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Help Needed!
#18859051 - 09/18/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey y'all,
I've got a cake sitting in my FC, but it's not showing any signs of growth. Here's what's happened so far:
8/15 Inoculated tall style 1/2 pint jar 9/5 Fully colonized 9/13 Took out cake and dunked for 24 hours. Rolled it in some verm I ground up in a coffee grinder. 9/14 Put it in my shotgun fc this morning. 9/16 Got a hygrometer/thermometer from a cigar shop. 9/18 4 After four days of fruiting - now - nothing doing on the cake - no white fuzz, or anything.
I've been misting and fanning 2-3 times a day with a pump-style lizard mister. I spray it up in the air for 4-5 seconds and let the mist fall. Then I spray down the perlite a bit. Humidity reading after the mist and fan is >95% (don't know how much greater bc it's off the scale). When I came back today after 9 hrs it was down to 90%, but I usually am able to mist before it gets that low. Also, when I come back the verm on the cake is always still completely wet. It's getting natural light from a couple of windows (sun also passes over the fc for a few minutes every day). Temps have been 70's in the day, going down to 60-65 at night. (except one cold day where it didn't get past 65). It's been pretty humid outside ~50% maybe on average.
Anyway, I'd appreciate any advice you experienced shroomers might have. I am trying to follow the BRF Tek.
Thanks!
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It sounds like you aren't getting enough evaporation off of your cakes if you're coming back after multiple hours and your verm is still wet. Try putting the SGFC next to a cracked window.
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if you made proper shotgun fc than you dont have to worry about humidity and you dont even need hygrometer. be patient, i think everything is ok.
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Is the mycelium starting to grow onto your rolled vermiculite casting layer?
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: cgsjames]
#18859501 - 09/18/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like noob inpatients. Lol you should be ok just give it some time.
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Ramblin Man said: Hey y'all,
I've got a cake sitting in my FC, but it's not showing any signs of growth. Here's what's happened so far:
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It won't work if it's not elevated, get four jars under the corners.
(I'm assuming you drilled holes in the bottom of course).
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: growmore]
#18859643 - 09/18/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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growmore said: Sounds like noob inpatients. Lol you should be ok just give it some time.
I was trying to find out if he was using adequate light.
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: cgsjames]
#18860515 - 09/18/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help, much appreciated.
The FC is elevated - you can't see it in the picture but there are two 1.5" wooden pieces underneath and there are holes on the bottom too!
I can't see any mycelium growth around the verm. Maybe it's happening underneath the verm layer.
I could try putting the FC on the dresser close the window tomorrow, and cracking the window to get more light and air flow. Maybe see if the cake dries off faster. Looks like high temp is going to be 75 tomorrow.
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Ramblin Man
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Hey can I ask something else:
One of my jars has been consolidating for 5 days and it's starting to get some white dots and streaks on the side of the jar - pinning?. This jar is a different strain (PE) and looks a lot thicker than my first one. Should I birth it because of the dots, or keep waiting ?
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You could probably birth, dunk, and roll.
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maybe he is lonely  It look kind of sad.
Just kidding be patient.
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FINE .....
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Okay - 5 days later... or day 10 of fruiting...
My cake still looks like this:

But after some more reading I decided to change out my shite Home Depot Therma-Rock medium grade perlite today for some kick-ass Mother Earth #4 coarse grade perlite from a hydroponics store - (which happens to be right down the road from me, it turns out). Wicked cool store actually - so much cool stuff (that's a hint about where I live right there).
Anyway, I am kind of convinced that I have not been getting good FAE due to soggy cheap perlite which doesn't let the air through. This is suggested by a couple of threads if you do search for "coarse grade perlite". One indication is water not evaporating off the walls of the SGFC after a few hours <-- happening to me.
RR says a couple of times you can spray your cakes directly and get them wet in a proper SGFC because the water should evaporate in half an hour, thus not damaging the shrooms.
So will see if this helps. BTW if my cake doesn't fruit in another week or so.........
can I eat it ? would I just want to eat the outside layer ? Any idea what kind of quantity the dose from a 1/2 pint cake is ?
Edit: Sorry for asking such an over-asked question: answer here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12361289/fpart/1/vc/1
Shite Home Depot Therma-Rock perlite:

New Mother Earth perlite #4:

Here is the cake plus two new wide-mouth half-pint cakes that have been sitting there for 3 days (and aren't doing much so far). They are all sitting on the brand new kick-ass perlite.

Oh yeah: I have a $20 digital hygrometer from a "famous" cigar shop downtown - it feels pretty accurate to me, and was right on the money when I calibrated it using the saturated-salt calibration. Anyway, the point of this isn't to provoke someone to say that digital or all hygrometers are crap (but bombs away...), it's to say that I think misting the hygrometer directly gets water inside and throws it off until it dries out. Someone else noticed this in another thread too. So it's better to pull it out for the misting and then put it back (and then smash it to bits because digital sucks )
Any other comments/advice anyone has, feel free. I'm still trying to get this process down and make it work.
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Edited by Ramblin Man (09/24/13 09:53 PM)
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what strain are you using and why you grind verm? I think maybe verm lose its capability to hold water for long time if it is grinded. Any way brf cakes never do much good for me. I am a fan of bulk cases. All mu cakes started pinning 20th to 30th day of pining. I remember what i did.
I cut the coca-cola 2L bottle in half put some wet verm in it then put my cake in it and fill it with some more wet verm. Vermiculite must be in thick layer all over the cake or it will constantly be dry. on your pictures you don't have thick layer of verm. Then I placed the cola bottle outside of chamber and in 2 days mushrooms start to grow. i just put some more water on vermiculite when it starts to dry.
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you can put some mist maker on a timer use 16 programs and mist it automaticly every 11/2 hour.
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This is not unheard of. Most of the time the cakes will fruit when they are good and ready to fruit. You can increase the chances by trying to give them the best environment and conditions.
It looks like your doing it all correct, just stop messing with them. Are you misting and fanning a couple times a day? The misting and fanning will increase the evaporation off of the cake which will induce pinning. I am not a fan of the lizard mister. I prefer the good old squirt bottle and I always spray my cakes directly to initiate pinning.
Go get this from lowes, will help you with proper air flow.
http://www.lowes.com/pd_328959-80752-142430B-DS_0__?productId=3468765&Ntt=metal+shelving+units&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNtt%3Dmetal%2Bshelving%2Bunits&facetInfo=
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Sockadin]
#18891466 - 09/25/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey thanks for the ideas. Yeah I'm misting and fanning 3-4 times a day. Sometimes I just fan. Since switching the perlite, the RH has been very high - never seen less than 95% if my meter is correct. I've been misting the cakes more as RR suggests and hoping there's enough FAE now to evaporate them.
Grinding the verm came from someone's suggestion on making finer very because it was better to roll with. If I can't get my SGFC to fruit I will definitely be trying some kind of spawning to bulk, or maybe sticking a cake in a soda bottle or bag...
That shelf is too big for my space but yeah I can see how that would really help airflow. Got me thinking on how I can improvise something smaller to elevate the thing.
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you could put your FC on top of 4 jars.
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I think either 1 of 2 things is happening:
(1. The cakes are simply getting ready to fruit, which can take some time. If you are misting and fanning them at least twice a day they are getting all they need, just keep it up. It will fruit.
(2. You're using shitty culture to inoculate with. This isn't your fault, it also happened to me when I first started. This is why it's important to find a reputable vendor and to stick with them, as there are more than a few places out there that will happily sell you syringes full of shitty stock that will colonize a little bit but then wither and die when its time to fruit. Expecting stuff like that to produce is like expecting an 80 year old woman to get pregnant.
Getting a quality culture to work with is SO worth the extra money you'll pay. In my opinion it is a crucial yet often overlooked element in magic mycology, everyone's worried about FAE and humidity failing to realize that if you just get a kick-ass culture it almost takes care of itself
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Very interesting. Someone also asked about the strain earlier, it's PE and it is from a reputable vendor, but I think I read somewhere that PE is harder to grow than some other strains.
I had the FC suspended over the gap between a dresser and another table for a day or two and then came up with this new setup today. Also added a lamp with a high K fluorescent bulb this morning. I've been using indirect natural light from a skylight but I notice that the light from the lamp is a lot brighter than the skylight. I know because I can SEE the texture on my cakes a lot better now, and after I mist I can tell if they are glistening in the light. This has inspired me to mist a little more heavily so they glisten and then hope for some evaporation. Recalibrated my hygrometer and it was still w/in 2%, so humidity may be pegged >95% like it says.
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I have only done this once (BRF cakes), but your perlite looks HUGE man. I had extremely small perlite chunks compared to what that looks like.
Also the tek i followed for my SGFC mentions to cut holes in all sides besides the top.
If it's a proven tek that works than go for it 
Check out the perlite:
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Large perlite works better
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More surface area? The only thing I could imagine is larger surface area means more evaporation which means higher humidity.
Can anyone clarify why this works better?
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Sockadin]
#18899857 - 09/27/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would imagine that the finer it harder it is for air to properly flow through it?
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pe + pf-cake =  Never tried PE myself, but I see posts about people having a hard time getting them to fruit on pf-cakes.
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Quote:
Kjetterfaen said: I would imagine that the finer it harder it is for air to properly flow through it?
Exactly
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psillyshroomer said:
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Kjetterfaen said: I would imagine that the finer it harder it is for air to properly flow through it?
Exactly
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Sockadin]
#18900776 - 09/27/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: More surface area? The only thing I could imagine is larger surface area means more evaporation which means higher humidity.
Can anyone clarify why this works better?
The best one is miracle grow - its produced by Monsanto which we have to give money to anyway. But for real this perlite works wonders.
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: tbagtag]
#18908230 - 09/29/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey, glad this thread is generating some good discussion with people chipping in a lot of good info. Type of perlite was something I didn't pick up on because it's not emphasized in the Teks (which someone said were written before newer, crappier perlite was invented). Might be worth an update (?) Also placement of the chamber to allow good airflow, not just sitting a few inches above the floor.
So it's hard to really tell for sure but I have the feeling that things are going better. A day after I added the light source, a small pin finally pushed out of the verm on the original cake. Pretty sure it's an abort. Today I've got another small abort, but there is also one pin and a lot more knotting on the two much healthier looking PE cakes! The mycelia on the original cake also growing faster and taking over the verm layer more.
If you look in the picture you can see I've got some extra verm on top of the new cakes that never dries out (is always a little bit puddled). Any opinions on this ?
In general, I think I may be over-misting for my setup after going and reading some old posts with some contributions from RR and others. The mister gets a lot of water on the sides (which consolidates into big drops) and it can sit there all night without evaporating. On the other hand the cakes dry off (except for the verm on the top) pretty quickly. Could be just cuz of the lizard mister.
So unrelated question: I've got to leave town on Friday (5 days from now). I'll be gone for 9 days. Is there anything I can do to preserve these cakes while I'm gone ? Would it be best to tape up the chamber ? Or just leave them in fruiting conditions and try to rehydrate when I get back ? I'm hoping to harvest some first but I could still be in pinning or baby mushroom stage. I'm sure someone asked this before but couldn't figure out how to search it.
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The SGFC is designed to be left for 12 hrs. I imagine you might come back to some mushrooms. They won't be the best quality as far as cap and stem size, and probably a lot of aborts, but cool at least you will have a nice mess of fruits to clean up. I would turn your Air Conditioning to 78 if you have one, or heater depending on how far north you live. Also as much as I am totally against air stone bubblers, this might be a situation to consider using one. It will help you get some humidity and air in that chamber. 9 days is a long time, I hope your fruits don't start to rot.
Anyone else have any suggestions, what about putting the chamber in the fridge to slow down the fruiting process?
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Sockadin]
#18917280 - 10/01/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I thought the shroomies would be ready by now. Looks like an air stone bubbler is used to put air bubbles into an aquarium ? Don't think that would help ?
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That's what an airstone is for if you were using it for an aquarium. He suggested you use it to kind of automate misting and fanning while your gone. It just shoots out air so if you had some water at the bottom of your fruiting chamber with an airstone in it, air would be bubbled into the water raising the humidity and amount of fresh air.
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Cb411]
#18917388 - 10/01/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And I just read through your whole thread and just wanted to say I just did my first brf recently and it was taking forever to get pins and I was getting frustrated and I read this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17736027 and followed what it said and got pins in 2 days
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Cb411]
#18918206 - 10/01/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Got it. Thanks for the explanation and thanks Sockadin for the suggestion. I will check out that thread now!
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Cb411]
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Cb411 said: And I just read through your whole thread and just wanted to say I just did my first brf recently and it was taking forever to get pins and I was getting frustrated and I read this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17736027 and followed what it said and got pins in 2 days
You would have pinned in 2 days regardless...please do not use bubble wrap on cakes in a SGFC.
It is only going to mess things up.
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Well, since I knew I'd be gone for 9 days, I decided to change course at the last minute and I crumbled up my three cakes and spawned them to some coir/verm/gypsum substrate which I pasteurized (very badly I thought) in a plastic bag in my largest pot. So it's 9 days later and I come home to this:

Looks pretty good I think, right ? So going to wait for the first pins to form before I give it any more fresh air exchange, right ?
In addition, one of my newer BRF jars had grown two mushrooms inside of it. (which I ate). No eyes-open visuals but a definite window into my addled brain - man I am a stress case.
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That's a lot of sub for only three cakes... hopefully it colonizes completely.
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It's a pretty small tub though don't know if you can tell from the picture. Like about the size of a shoebox.
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Ramblin Man said: Looks pretty good I think, right ? So going to wait for the first pins to form before I give it any more fresh air exchange, right ?
You want to wait for it to colonize 100%. Then put it in fruiting conditions which is more than just FAE. You're going to have to put it into your SGFC hopefully that was your plan, forgive me I only read the second page. Hopefully it will colonize that does look like quite a bit of substrate for only 3 cakes unless your really shred the hell out of them.
I put nearly 1.5 quarts of rye berries(2x 2/3 full) into a tub that size with a 1/3 brick of coir.
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I put nearly 1.5 quarts of rye berries(2x 2/3 full) into a tub that size with a 1/3 brick of coir.
Most people would just call that two quarts, it's less confusing if we're all on the same system.
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The only reason I said it like that is due to the OP using crumbled cakes. It gives a better visual of just how much more inoculation that ends up being. My thread says 2 quarts because the people that are reading that for ideas would most likely already know wtf that means.
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bodhisatta said: The only reason I said it like that is due to the OP using crumbled cakes. It gives a better visual of just how much more inoculation that ends up being. My thread says 2 quarts because the people that are reading that for ideas would most likely already know wtf that means.
True, I completely forgot he said he was using cakes. Good lookin.
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Hey cool looking thread, and looks jus like what I'm doing! I will check it out. I scaled down my shoebox from another thread related to brf cakes + sub that was using a 1:3 ratio. Everything ended up pretty rough what with my container having slanted sides. I did crumble up the cakes pretty well though - around nickel sized pieces. So far it looks very clumpy, and the bottom has areas where it hasn't gotten to yet.
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Hey not sure if this will get any responses but I am still basically really confused about maintaining the cakes I have in my SGFC (I have two new ones which I just put in there). I live in a pretty high humidity place and the heat isn't on yet so I'm thinking my room humidity is around 50% at least. Should I be soaking my cakes (with a mister) so that they are all wet and shiny a lot ? I did that about 4 hours ago and now they are not shiny and glistening at all. Should I soak em again ? I just really have no idea how wet to keep them. How often to get them wet, etc. And it's not because I haven't read like 50,000 posts on here.
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Yeah man that process should allow for the evaporation needed to produce pinning. BTW how did the crumbled cake experiment with Bubble wrap go? I had to face palm when I read that, but I think experimentation and trial and error is what helped this community get to here.
Back to the misting question, I personally like to wet them with a light misting, and then fan them directly after. Then I wait 5-6 hours and rinse/repeat. If they are properly dunk/rolled they will produce fairly quickly. Check out my signature for flush quality.
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Sockadin]
#18989930 - 10/17/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I don't use a set time really I wait till there dry mist them till they glisten fan then wait till there dry in the surface before I mist them again don't keep them constantly wet. The water evaporating off then being replenishes is a big part of how they pin during the 3 days or so where there not pins but mushrooms growing I spray them more
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Cb411]
#18993067 - 10/17/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, so I've been on a regular 3 times a day (about every 8 hours) misting schedule. If I went with misting every time the surface dries off, I'd be misting WAY more, and maybe that would be a good thing, but I'm not around enough.
As far as my experiments, the three cakes I crumbled and spawned to coir have done a pretty good job colonizing the coir, but a couple of days ago, the dreaded green hit a couple of spots on the substrate. From doing some reading, I think it was either my poor quality pasteurization (could have sterilized some parts), or not separately sterilizing the gypsum before I mixed it in. Also maybe having the cakes out in fruiting conditions, they picked up the trich before being crumbled.
So I took the tupperware container way off to a little closet in the front of my house with a window, poked a hole in the saran wrap and filled it with polyfil, took a shower and threw my sweatshirt in the laundry. So if it fruits at all, great, if not, not.
Experiment 2: With my two latest cakes in the SGFC, I've been wrapping one of them with bubble wrap, and one not, and misting like I described. It's been 2-3 days and each of them has got ONE healthy growing pin. They are almost identical. One of these cakes already grew two large mushrooms when it was inside it's jar, which I harvested. Not sure why my jars seem to be so much happier an environment for them than my SGFC, but there it is. Meanwhile, I've got three more PE cakes coming out of a dunk tomorrow to add to the mix. Perhaps, maybe, one day, I might, have, some shrooms. 
Note: the only thing that is off from spec with my setup is that my SGFC is smaller scale than the Tek's. It's about 16x14x10.
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Quick update: 2 more small pins today on cake that wasn't bubble wrapped. Two new wide mouth half pint PE cakes, both dunked, one rolled, added to SGFC. The problem I've had with rolling is I can't see whether or not the surface is wet or not - I mean the verm is always damp. So, then I don't really know whether to mist or not.
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Do these pins look healthy ? The short fat one is on the cake that's been bubble wrapped. Any advice on what they need based on how they look ? They are like 3 or 4 days old, still pretty shrimpy.
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Ramblin Man said: Do these pins look healthy ? The short fat one is on the cake that's been bubble wrapped. Any advice on what they need based on how they look ? They are like 3 or 4 days old, still pretty shrimpy.

Get them off the perlite.
They should be on coasters of some kind like foil squares, not directly contacting the perlite.
Yes the pins look healthy.
Bubble wrap on cakes in a SGFC is fail.
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Well, things have definitely improved, part. in the form of one large mushroom on one of the cakes. The smaller ones are looking a bit sickly, though, and not growing to nearly the size of the nice one. I put the cakes onto some coasters (made of bubble wrap), and I've got a problem where the cakes are starting to tip over because the shrooms are trying to grow down into the ground . I guess this makes sense now that I think about it - the bubble wrap is providing some space and a microclimate down there. But it also seems to say that the shrooms like my SGFC's environment better with some bubble wrap trapping the humidity in. I think that's why the cake that was bubble wrapped (the one w/the big shroom) got off to a better start. So what I'm thinking is I might close up the FC a little more by taping some holes to raise the humidity, or maybe ideally I would just mist more often. One thing that seemed to help was when I started seriously soaking the cakes a few days ago instead of just lightly misting them. Doesn't seem to take long for the surfaces to look dry again. I also added some wet verm hats to try to rehydrate these two cakes, because they've been alive (birthed) for about 3 full weeks now.
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Ramblin Man said: So what I'm thinking is I might close up the FC a little more by taping some holes to raise the humidity
This will actually lower your humidity.
Taping the holes of a SGFC is never a good option.
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Ramblin Man said: or maybe ideally I would just mist more often.
Misting the cakes does nothing for humidity without fanning them afterwards, so the water you misted can evaporate.
This water cannot evaporate if the humidity is constantly 100%, it would have no place to go...so we always fan after misting.
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Ramblin Man said: One thing that seemed to help was when I started seriously soaking the cakes a few days ago instead of just lightly misting them. Doesn't seem to take long for the surfaces to look dry again. I also added some wet verm hats to try to rehydrate these two cakes, because they've been alive (birthed) for about 3 full weeks now.
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Hey thanks for the 411. This is such a learning process. So cool to have people on the Shroomery helping out. I just invested in a PC by the way.
And now, introducing my first ever 
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