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Stromrider
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Large perlite works better
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Sockadin



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More surface area? The only thing I could imagine is larger surface area means more evaporation which means higher humidity.
Can anyone clarify why this works better?
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Kjetterfaen
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Sockadin]
#18899857 - 09/27/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would imagine that the finer it harder it is for air to properly flow through it?
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spacechildo
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pe + pf-cake =  Never tried PE myself, but I see posts about people having a hard time getting them to fruit on pf-cakes.
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Stromrider
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Kjetterfaen said: I would imagine that the finer it harder it is for air to properly flow through it?
Exactly
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Kjetterfaen
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psillyshroomer said:
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Kjetterfaen said: I would imagine that the finer it harder it is for air to properly flow through it?
Exactly
..minus the garbled spelling anyway =(
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tbagtag
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Sockadin]
#18900776 - 09/27/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: More surface area? The only thing I could imagine is larger surface area means more evaporation which means higher humidity.
Can anyone clarify why this works better?
The best one is miracle grow - its produced by Monsanto which we have to give money to anyway. But for real this perlite works wonders.
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Ramblin Man
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: tbagtag]
#18908230 - 09/29/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey, glad this thread is generating some good discussion with people chipping in a lot of good info. Type of perlite was something I didn't pick up on because it's not emphasized in the Teks (which someone said were written before newer, crappier perlite was invented). Might be worth an update (?) Also placement of the chamber to allow good airflow, not just sitting a few inches above the floor.
So it's hard to really tell for sure but I have the feeling that things are going better. A day after I added the light source, a small pin finally pushed out of the verm on the original cake. Pretty sure it's an abort. Today I've got another small abort, but there is also one pin and a lot more knotting on the two much healthier looking PE cakes! The mycelia on the original cake also growing faster and taking over the verm layer more.
If you look in the picture you can see I've got some extra verm on top of the new cakes that never dries out (is always a little bit puddled). Any opinions on this ?
In general, I think I may be over-misting for my setup after going and reading some old posts with some contributions from RR and others. The mister gets a lot of water on the sides (which consolidates into big drops) and it can sit there all night without evaporating. On the other hand the cakes dry off (except for the verm on the top) pretty quickly. Could be just cuz of the lizard mister.
So unrelated question: I've got to leave town on Friday (5 days from now). I'll be gone for 9 days. Is there anything I can do to preserve these cakes while I'm gone ? Would it be best to tape up the chamber ? Or just leave them in fruiting conditions and try to rehydrate when I get back ? I'm hoping to harvest some first but I could still be in pinning or baby mushroom stage. I'm sure someone asked this before but couldn't figure out how to search it.
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Sockadin



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The SGFC is designed to be left for 12 hrs. I imagine you might come back to some mushrooms. They won't be the best quality as far as cap and stem size, and probably a lot of aborts, but cool at least you will have a nice mess of fruits to clean up. I would turn your Air Conditioning to 78 if you have one, or heater depending on how far north you live. Also as much as I am totally against air stone bubblers, this might be a situation to consider using one. It will help you get some humidity and air in that chamber. 9 days is a long time, I hope your fruits don't start to rot.
Anyone else have any suggestions, what about putting the chamber in the fridge to slow down the fruiting process?
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Ramblin Man
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Sockadin]
#18917280 - 10/01/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I thought the shroomies would be ready by now. Looks like an air stone bubbler is used to put air bubbles into an aquarium ? Don't think that would help ?
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Cb411
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That's what an airstone is for if you were using it for an aquarium. He suggested you use it to kind of automate misting and fanning while your gone. It just shoots out air so if you had some water at the bottom of your fruiting chamber with an airstone in it, air would be bubbled into the water raising the humidity and amount of fresh air.
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Cb411]
#18917388 - 10/01/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And I just read through your whole thread and just wanted to say I just did my first brf recently and it was taking forever to get pins and I was getting frustrated and I read this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17736027 and followed what it said and got pins in 2 days
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Ramblin Man
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Cb411]
#18918206 - 10/01/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Got it. Thanks for the explanation and thanks Sockadin for the suggestion. I will check out that thread now!
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Re: Help Needed! [Re: Cb411]
#18918355 - 10/01/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cb411 said: And I just read through your whole thread and just wanted to say I just did my first brf recently and it was taking forever to get pins and I was getting frustrated and I read this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17736027 and followed what it said and got pins in 2 days
You would have pinned in 2 days regardless...please do not use bubble wrap on cakes in a SGFC.
It is only going to mess things up.
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Ramblin Man
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Well, since I knew I'd be gone for 9 days, I decided to change course at the last minute and I crumbled up my three cakes and spawned them to some coir/verm/gypsum substrate which I pasteurized (very badly I thought) in a plastic bag in my largest pot. So it's 9 days later and I come home to this:

Looks pretty good I think, right ? So going to wait for the first pins to form before I give it any more fresh air exchange, right ?
In addition, one of my newer BRF jars had grown two mushrooms inside of it. (which I ate). No eyes-open visuals but a definite window into my addled brain - man I am a stress case.
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Mush4Brains
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That's a lot of sub for only three cakes... hopefully it colonizes completely.
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Ramblin Man
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It's a pretty small tub though don't know if you can tell from the picture. Like about the size of a shoebox.
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bodhisatta 
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Ramblin Man said: Looks pretty good I think, right ? So going to wait for the first pins to form before I give it any more fresh air exchange, right ?
You want to wait for it to colonize 100%. Then put it in fruiting conditions which is more than just FAE. You're going to have to put it into your SGFC hopefully that was your plan, forgive me I only read the second page. Hopefully it will colonize that does look like quite a bit of substrate for only 3 cakes unless your really shred the hell out of them.
I put nearly 1.5 quarts of rye berries(2x 2/3 full) into a tub that size with a 1/3 brick of coir.
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Mush4Brains
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I put nearly 1.5 quarts of rye berries(2x 2/3 full) into a tub that size with a 1/3 brick of coir.
Most people would just call that two quarts, it's less confusing if we're all on the same system.
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bodhisatta 
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The only reason I said it like that is due to the OP using crumbled cakes. It gives a better visual of just how much more inoculation that ends up being. My thread says 2 quarts because the people that are reading that for ideas would most likely already know wtf that means.
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