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Psilosopherr
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trichocereus terscheckii: help
#18737905 - 08/21/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been searching for a while now and am having trouble finding good info on this species. From a few reports I see this species may be quite potent in alkaloids. Does anyone have experience with this? (I do not plan to consume or extract any cacti, ever)
Does anyone know their growth rate? How long it takes to mature? Does it ever flower or produce fruit?
Any standard growing info would be amazing, although I assume it's standard cacti procedure or close to it.
These things can get huge it looks like!! Like 30 feet max!
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii: help [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18737950 - 08/21/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is an extremely slow grower, even grafted specimens take a very long time to get to decent size. It can get enormous tough, very old specimens are a stunning sight. It can be grown in conditions similar to most Trichocereus, it does flower and produce fruits, but I'm not sure at what age. Probably several decades. I've never seen a bioassay report or alkaloid analysis, doubt many people would consider eating it when there are so many fast growing Trichocereus. But it would be interesting to know.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii: help [Re: Tangich]
#18737963 - 08/21/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeahhh, darn. It would still be a cool one to have around, just to grow. When I'm 60 it'll be a friggin monster.
Need to expand my cacti collection. I've got like 20 little bridgesii seedlings. Like 6-9 months old probly.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii: help [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18739390 - 08/21/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never sampled them, but I do grow them.
-------------------- Don't PM me with bullshit. I don't sell or trade cactus and I don't know where you can get any, other than your mother's ass.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii: help [Re: joemolloy]
#18739988 - 08/21/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha of course you have some, you have lots of good lookin cacti. Any idea what alkaloids they have?
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii: help [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18740022 - 08/21/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Type your question into google and you will have your answer.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii: help [Re: karode13]
#18740034 - 08/21/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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karode13 said: Type your question into google and you will have your answer.
Did you try it? I did, and I switched keywords around for a while and still didn't have many answers. I found a couple things but meh
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii: help [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18740051 - 08/21/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes. First 3 hits were the answer. Erowid has the info, I would link but on a tablet and pressed for time. If you haven't found it by the next time I log in I'll post it.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii: help [Re: karode13]
#18740847 - 08/22/13 03:50 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Reti analysed wild plants, while Agurell used cultivated plants. Also some other variables.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii: help [Re: karode13]
#18741117 - 08/22/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have read experience report from erowid.
People who has write the report claim they were feeling very bad nausea and more "poisoned" and sick than trip from san pedro.. If I remember right they would not suggest the t. terscheckii ingestion to anyone but some sort of experience these people has got from this plant.
I have never even think to dry it for consumption even I know there can be traces or proper amount of mescaline. Everyone have their own experience with cacti but only words I remember from that erowid experience writing was that these people was not comfortable with the experience from terscheckii..
It is however, very spectacular cactus when it starts to grow large column. First it will take long time to grow as cobular shape before it starts to grow columnar.
My terscheckii are about 8 inches of diameter but I have not seen yet it starting to grow column yet. I just keep it in my greenhouse with few another cactus and see how they can handle the cold night there in north. Next year I know better how to build summer greenhouse for cacti. I think it's a column after decade or so..
I would not consume that plant cause of few bad reports from it.
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bump: I saw that these things can take as low as 15 degrees Fahrenheit; so I could maybe grow them outdoors in my area.
The only problem is, I have consistent rainfall in my area. Would that be bad for it? Should i try one outside or no?
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii: help [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18858447 - 09/18/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: bump: I saw that these things can take as low as 15 degrees Fahrenheit; so I could maybe grow them outdoors in my area.
The only problem is, I have consistent rainfall in my area. Would that be bad for it? Should i try one outside or no?
I think probably the old ones, let's say old enough to grow column and fat are tolerant enough to survive freezing temperatures.
So far this is the most tolerant cactus species what comes to sun, temperatures and all kind of things and no bad signs. My 20cm diameter terscheckii doesn't took any kind of damage even I used directly neem on the skin when it gots lots of light. T. Pasacana instead got sunburns from neem oil.
However.. It's a fact this cactus can manage very cold temperatures but it's still a cactus.. But tolerance to cold hardiness should be good since I have seen photo of big terscheckii growing outdoors in england.. Exact location where it has growing I don't know.
Still I suggest to give it shelter from rainfall during cold periods. How cold your climate can go during winter and how long usually frosts last?
Only thing I have realize this cactus doesn't tolerate is lack of light.. 
I don't think seedling stage terscheckii can manage so much of freezing temperatures than big adult specimen can. My life long project is terscheckii in the pot what I planned to grow to big column over the years.. Also I have another smaller 5cm diameter cactus.
I suggest to try study how far south in argentina this species grows and so on. I have read somewhere it stays cobular and small because in some cases it bury at winter under the snow to get cover from cold but this is just some memory flashback and I don't know was it this species or some another. Only thing I know it will tolerate lots of freezing temperatures and can be found very south of argentina where winter time is not always so warm and environment are hostile.
Only I know somewhere in england grows this species outdoors in the ground and it's big one. Also skin of the cactus is very thick compared to another trichocereus plants so it can work as good isolation from freezing temperatures to keep cactus alive over winter. As far as I have understand, this is more "cold climate cactus" than many other trichocereus there are? ..correct me if I am wrong but what I have seen my terscheckii plants tolerate, they are toughest cacti I have in my collection. Ofc dry soil and dehydrated cactus possible tolerates far more freezing temperatures than cactus in moist soil and full of water.
I have still seen pics when google this species where are desert full of snow and cacti plants stands there so conclusion to this, it can really take very hard winter time and survive from it but moist environment + freezing temperatures are possible fatal.
Why you don't get specimens from nursery and test out what this remarkable cactus can tolerate and what is probably fatal?
By so far, I would even try to protect if from rain during winter to get it succeed to survive freezing temperatures. It's never good to cactus when combination is freezing temperatures and water.
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Quote:
intelligentlife said:
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rbalzer said: bump: I saw that these things can take as low as 15 degrees Fahrenheit; so I could maybe grow them outdoors in my area.
The only problem is, I have consistent rainfall in my area. Would that be bad for it? Should i try one outside or no?
I think probably the old ones, let's say old enough to grow column and fat are tolerant enough to survive freezing temperatures.
So far this is the most tolerant cactus species what comes to sun, temperatures and all kind of things and no bad signs. My 20cm diameter terscheckii doesn't took any kind of damage even I used directly neem on the skin when it gots lots of light. T. Pasacana instead got sunburns from neem oil.
However.. It's a fact this cactus can manage very cold temperatures but it's still a cactus.. But tolerance to cold hardiness should be good since I have seen photo of big terscheckii growing outdoors in england.. Exact location where it has growing I don't know.
Still I suggest to give it shelter from rainfall during cold periods. How cold your climate can go during winter and how long usually frosts last?
Only thing I have realize this cactus doesn't tolerate is lack of light.. 
I don't think seedling stage terscheckii can manage so much of freezing temperatures than big adult specimen can. My life long project is terscheckii in the pot what I planned to grow to big column over the years.. Also I have another smaller 5cm diameter cactus.
I suggest to try study how far south in argentina this species grows and so on. I have read somewhere it stays cobular and small because in some cases it bury at winter under the snow to get cover from cold but this is just some memory flashback and I don't know was it this species or some another. Only thing I know it will tolerate lots of freezing temperatures and can be found very south of argentina where winter time is not always so warm and environment are hostile.
Only I know somewhere in england grows this species outdoors in the ground and it's big one. Also skin of the cactus is very thick compared to another trichocereus plants so it can work as good isolation from freezing temperatures to keep cactus alive over winter. As far as I have understand, this is more "cold climate cactus" than many other trichocereus there are? ..correct me if I am wrong but what I have seen my terscheckii plants tolerate, they are toughest cacti I have in my collection. Ofc dry soil and dehydrated cactus possible tolerates far more freezing temperatures than cactus in moist soil and full of water.
I have still seen pics when google this species where are desert full of snow and cacti plants stands there so conclusion to this, it can really take very hard winter time and survive from it but moist environment + freezing temperatures are possible fatal.
Why you don't get specimens from nursery and test out what this remarkable cactus can tolerate and what is probably fatal?
By so far, I would even try to protect if from rain during winter to get it succeed to survive freezing temperatures. It's never good to cactus when combination is freezing temperatures and water.
thank you so much for this detailed response!
I did read all of it, and basically what I draw from that is, it can take more than I thought, but my area might not support it well outdoors.
It rains a ton where I am. Pacific northwest. But maybe if I kept them inside when they were young, and then after a year or more, acclimate them to outdoors, then to cold.
And would I be able to effectively protect them from moist/freezing combos? Like have a rain cover I can put over its area? or have it in a pot so I can bring it inside?
thanks again
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