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judydel
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King Oyster Photos
#18858334 - 09/18/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi All,
This is my first time growing King Oysters. I used pasteurized wheat straw and I layered each jar with one quart of rye berry spawn. The jars took a long time to finish the spawn run. And then the logs took 5 weeks to start pinning. Here they are 7 days into fruiting. The original pins still aren't that big, but new ones have begun in the past few days. Can you take a look and tell me what you think? Is it normal for them to grow this slow? I have been keeping them between 60 degrees and 70 degrees, very humid, not a lot of FAE because I had read somewhere that they grown thicker stems if you don't give them a lot of FA. They are parked in front of a sunny window in a portable greenhouse. Is it normal for the caps to be of various shades of tan and taupe?



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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18858392 - 09/18/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They are looking good. 5 weeks to pin seems like a lot but whatcha gonna do?
Keep updating with pics.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: Ganzig]
#18858517 - 09/18/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really . . . they look okay? I thought maybe there are too many started and I needed to knock some off. The reason I thought that is because I've seen them grown in a jar, just one mushroom per jar. But on a log you can have a bunch?
Also, any idea why the caps are of various colors?
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18858623 - 09/18/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I personally would cull some off so that you have a select healthy few to grow but some folks say it is not necessary. The different colors will go away with age.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: Ganzig]
#18858746 - 09/18/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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looking good yo!
but yeah, that took very long.... i have some agar jars standing now where the king oyster started to fruit from after 3 weeks from cloning, but from straw you would expect it faster after full colonisation. how long did it take to colonise?
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18859239 - 09/18/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hold up I'm wrong.
It was 4 weeks 1 day for the straw to colonize and begin pushing pins.
It was 3+ weeks for the grain to finish spawning.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18874381 - 09/22/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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These little guys are sure taking their time growing. Not royalty yet, but I thought I would still update with more photos.


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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18874426 - 09/22/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow, they're looking pretty good!
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: forrest]
#18874747 - 09/22/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those are looking pretty tasty already!
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: Forrester]
#18875569 - 09/22/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks Guys 
I posted this on the Contamination Forum but I thought I should also post it here:
When I checked on them this morning, the end of one of the logs was growing a white fur. I opened the front flap of the portable greenhouse to take photos and left it open for 10 minutes or so and then noticed that the "fur" seems to be receding. Was this just a FA issue?
Here's what it looks like now.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18875788 - 09/22/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is not contaminated. It is just growing.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: Ganzig]
#18875844 - 09/22/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks Ganzig . . . that's a relief!
Well while I'm at it here's what my two jars of king oyster rye grain spawn look like. I've been so fixated on the fruiting chamber that I didn't realize these jars were looking "different" than what I'm used to. I inoculated them on 8/25. They took their sweet ass time to grow and spread. But now I'm worried they are contaminated? Or is this just too much growth gone wild? They have these cute little "trees" and clumps growing on top which you can see in the first photo. I put them in the refrigerator and await expert advice 
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18875885 - 09/22/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They look fine to me.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: Ganzig]
#18875912 - 09/22/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well aren't you just the bearer of good news lol!!
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18875947 - 09/22/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Got anything else growing?
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18875960 - 09/22/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will be following this one. I have a bag of rye and sawdust 100% colonized with king. I had been keeping it in the dark because the guy I got the culture from told me they would not fruit unless it was 60-65f.....The kings are pretty tough. I had a contam in the bag, but it ate right through it(or so it seems )
Also, I have a jar with tapered neck like the ones in your photo. It is a solid mass, looks like yours, and I doubt I could get it out. I just dumped pasteurized sawdust on top it and put the lid back on. That was last night and it has already started to eat it up. I am going to see if I can get one or two straight out of the jar.
I wish you luck!!!!
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: maynard]
#18876003 - 09/22/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ganzig I fruited Blue Oysters before these Kings. I started them at the same time but the Kings took so long that we had two Blue flushes before the Kings starting pinning lol.
I also had 4 jars of Blue Oysters started on rye grain. But suddenly bright red/orange appeared on top. Within a couple of days the bright color turned more mellow and then the white mycelium sort of covered up the orangey color. I have the four jars in the back of my car triple bagged ready to be thrown in the dumpster.
Maynard good luck to you also. I'm sure I can get the spawn out of the jars by banging them on our car tire. My last batch of grain looked similar and I got it out of the jars. But no harm in growing right out of the jars I'm sure . . . I've seen enough photos of single fruits per jar when it comes to Kings. This is my first time growing them and only my second time growing mushrooms period. My son and husband were dabbling in growing edibles and now I've taken over since they're busy doing other things.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18876047 - 09/22/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That sounds fun. Are you hooked now?
Also, did the blue oysters have an unpleasant odor?
All the blues I have ever grown stank. That is why I stopped growing them.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: Ganzig]
#18876160 - 09/22/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh yeah I'm hooked lol.
I didn't notice a smell when we grew the Blues. But I did notice my chest got heavy from the spores So I'm looking for a sporeless oyster variety. I'm assuming the Kings won't be a problem as other people have mentioned they produce less spores. That's one of the reasons I'm trying to grow small caps.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18876169 - 09/22/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are sporeless strains for sure.
I don't know where to find them though.
Good luck. If you are reacting already to just two flushes I would be weary about growing them in the house.
You can develop some serious allergies. I bet you already knew that though.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: Ganzig]
#18876301 - 09/22/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ganzig said: There are sporeless strains for sure.
I don't know where to find them though.
Good luck. If you are reacting already to just two flushes I would be weary about growing them in the house.
You can develop some serious allergies. I bet you already knew that though.
The a trick for growing oysters in the house is having low temps 65F or less and harvest very early. There is very little spores when grown like this. And yeah king wont be a problem spore-wise, unless you let them get extremely overripe.
Kings are a tricky one. Im still experimenting but i have been getting good, yet inconsistent and SLOW results. Im growing 'em on oak pellets with %20bran and some gypsum. For the current strain im working with, i have been: incubating for 6 weeks, cold shocking for 4 days, exposing the top of the block to the FC, keeping temps in mid 60's F, lower humidities (%80-90 since i have an AC running.) They are taking 2-3 weeks to pin and 1-2 weeks to fruit out, but when they do i get .75-1lb/5.5lb block. The second and third flushes are coming in faster than the first. The 2nd and 3rd flushes are .2-.5lb each. Also some yield less then a lb and some more, so consistency is lacking; they're very slow as well. I would like to speed things up and get more even pinsets. I may try doing casings, but i have already got new strains going to test out as well.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: Aleon]
#18878043 - 09/22/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes Aleon SLOW is a good adjective for Kings lol.
As far as harvesting them before spores become an issue . . . how will I know when the Kings are ready?
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18879336 - 09/23/13 06:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is harder to tell when kings are ready, but generally while the edge of the cap margin is still curled under or flat. The main thing is keeping them firm, if the top of a cap gets slightly soft it means that it should have been harvested already.
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: Aleon]
#18879858 - 09/23/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I decided to pick the 4 larger Kings this morning since they seem to have stopped growing. The caps are still firm. I had hoped they would weigh more . . . maybe I should have let them go longer? Certainly not as large as the ones I've seen growing straight out of bottles! The four weighed only a quarter of a pound altogether.


Should I leave the smaller ones on the logs to continue growing, or am I supposed to harvest those now also? When I pulled these off, a bit of the base stayed on the log. Should I dig that out so as not to encourage contamination?
This forum is great!! WHere else could I ask these questions?
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18880356 - 09/23/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is a great place to ask those questions.
Also you can use the search engine to see if others have already asked such questions.
Google helps.
Those are great fruits! Congrats Judy! I wish I could answer your question but I cannot.
How will you prepare them?
I would suggest a soup like a ramen or miso because you have so few.
Slice them lengthwise so you can marvel at them while eating.. 
Will your boys (husband and son) eat mushrooms?
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Re: King Oyster Photos [Re: judydel]
#18882150 - 09/23/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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judydel said: Certainly not as large as the ones I've seen growing straight out of bottles! The four weighed only a quarter of a pound altogether.
That's why people sometimes cut off some of the pins, you'll get less mushrooms but they'll be bigger. Basically your substrate has x amount of energy to make mushrooms with, so if you let all the pins grow out they won't grow as large as if you trim off some of them.
I think the bottles you're probably talking about are by Versicolor (if not, you should see his) Here's a quote from him in that thread:
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Versicolor said: I just use a mix of hardwood sawdust, wheat bran, gypsum, and coffee. It is necessary to scrape the jars, and keep the fruiting room cool. Also, remove most of the pins, leaving only the largest 2 or 3 to mature.
Hope that helps. I'm really looking forward to trying kings that way.
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