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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18858285 - 09/18/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
It's not for me to decide what's "good stealing" or "bad stealing" regardless of moral ambiguity.  Same with you.
I think of Wal-Mart as a successful business and I have absolutely no problem with their business model so your entire basis of justification is flim flam bullshit to me.




To each their own :shrug:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion lol


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #18858291 - 09/18/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
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NotTheDevil said:
If you kill 10 people to save 1000 does that make killing 10 people right?



In that case, yes it does.

There's no such thing as a perfect world. Every decision has positive and negative consequences. "Right" is the best decision you can make under the circumstances. :shrug:



So not only do you advocate theft, but also murder? That's nice.



How the hell did you get that out of what I said? :braindamage:

Would you seriously let 1000 people die so you didn't have to kill 10? How does that make any sense at all? That would make you a murderer -- in addition to the 10 that would have died either way, you would also have the 990 that you could have saved on your conscience.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858292 - 09/18/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Correct, I wouldn't murder anyone.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858295 - 09/18/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
Would you seriously let 1000 people die so you didn't have to kill 10? How does that make any sense at all?




Population control.  1,000 deaths is more than 10, the math is simple and the decision is easy.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #18858308 - 09/18/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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KremrBigSikter said:
Correct, I wouldn't murder anyone.



AT LEAST 10 people are going to die either way. How would letting 990 die when you could have saved them make you any less of a murderer?

If you can save someone, and choose to let them die, you are a murderer. Therefore, if you could save 990 people but let them die, you are a murderer of 990 people.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: the mad machinest]
    #18858313 - 09/18/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

wow this thread blew up---I agree with most of yall though--stealing is bad---Im going to stop--mainly cause at my age ill definatly catch some time ifin I get caught---and that is the ONLY reason--I appreciate all yalls criticism--the good and the bad---now to just do it haha


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858318 - 09/18/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I'm of the belief that it's the act of murder that makes someone a murderer. Call me old fashioned.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858327 - 09/18/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If we want to get away from the knowledge that thieves are scumbags...

What if 1 of the 10 that you kill would have gone on to develop a vaccine that prevented the next flu pandemic? Not killing him could save millions.

It's not your choice to make.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18858332 - 09/18/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

idea* that thieves are scumbags.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858336 - 09/18/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Because that is not your decision to make, thief.



I'm not a thief, illogical moralizer. I don't shoplift. However, that's mostly because I don't actually generally go into stores that I would shoplift from, because I think supporting them and giving them business is wrong too.




Not patronizing them is entirely ethical.  Advocating stealing from them is not.
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I believe Wal-Mart donates quite a bit to variouis charities.  I bet it is quite a bit more than you do, John Dillinger.  What if someone were to decide that stealing from Wal-Mart and donating the proceeds to NAMBLA is the best way to help the world?  You got a problem with that?



I would have a problem with that because donating to that organization would not fit my ethical criteria of "maximize happiness, minimize suffering."




Oh so you get to decide what is the proper charity.

Let me guess.  Your charitable giving amounts to 3 figures at most. 

Wal-Mart provides an extremely valuable service in that it provides the lowest prices for goods.  Their profit margin is shit and poor people are the greatest beneficiaries of their existence.  You're fake moralizing is inept and bankrupt.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #18858341 - 09/18/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Except it is the walmart employees who get shafted. Theft is a major problem for walmart, they don't want to eat the loss, so its part of the problem for why the workers get shit pay.

thieves suck.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18858345 - 09/18/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
idea* that thieves are scumbags.




Know is correct. The vast majority of humans know stealing is wrong.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #18858350 - 09/18/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

a little bit off topic but im in the belief that some people don't deserve to exist--i.e. child molesters ,rapists and such---and in those cases lethal injection is just WAYYY to nice of a way for them to go out---but yet they do--such is the fucked ways of the world---and yes I agree -- it is what it is-----and rich folks are "broke" if they cant get a new Mercedes every year and eat steak for dinner every night so they start laying folks off----and walmart like most shithead companies don't pay shit so they can get a new ride every year


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18858354 - 09/18/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why would we want to get away from the topic of thievery when the thread is ABOUT theft.

And samurai, no you don't have to let the axe murderer in your house.  You tell him that you cannot reveal the victim's whereabouts because you're protecting him.  I don't see the contradiction, because that response violates neither the first nor second formulation.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: EdibleStereos]
    #18858357 - 09/18/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Except it is the walmart employees who get shafted. Theft is a major problem for walmart, they don't want to eat the loss, so its part of the problem for why the workers get shit pay.

thieves suck.




The workers get paid what they are willing to work for.  They don't get shafted.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: Mr. Wilson]
    #18858358 - 09/18/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So you don't believe in redemption or second chances?

I'm sure you'll change your mind when you are on the wrong end of things.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: Mr. Wilson]
    #18858363 - 09/18/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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a 400$$ trolling motor---big ass heavy motherfucker---snatched and bailed out the front door---and was drunker than hell when I did it---ive hit em for bout 4grand in the last 2 months



Be careful man. A theft over $350 is a felony


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: Mr. Wilson]
    #18858367 - 09/18/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Mr. Wilson said:
wow this thread blew up---I agree with most of yall though--stealing is bad---Im going to stop--mainly cause at my age ill definatly catch some time ifin I get caught---and that is the ONLY reason--I appreciate all yalls criticism--the good and the bad---now to just do it haha




Do you think you would ever get hired for a job if you have a conviction of theft on your record?  In this competitive job environment, you would be shit out of luck.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18858374 - 09/18/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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abltsandwich said:
idea* that thieves are scumbags.




Know is correct. The vast majority of humans know stealing is wrong.




Bullshit.  Morals are not facts set in stone, they're fluid ideas that can change over time.  The fact that they can change means there's no inherent absolute correctness in them, that they're only relevant until they aren't.  And I'm not going to debate this with you so say what you want.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: ClockCode]
    #18858376 - 09/18/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would we want to get away from the topic of thievery when the thread is ABOUT theft.

And samurai, no you don't have to let the axe murderer in your house.  You tell him that you cannot reveal the victim's whereabouts because you're protecting him.  I don't see the contradiction, because that response violates neither the first nor second formulation.



just replying to dem folks talking bout murderers


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