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    #18858260 - 09/18/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I am looking for a little guidance from the seasoned vets. I have done a couple runs off of purchased sterilized jars and I am ready to purchase an All American. I am not sure which model to get and could use a bit of advice. I'm not sure if I would be better off with the 941 or it will be too heavy and big to put all that loaded weight on one electric stove burner. Currently I have 40 half pint jars and 4 bags. I would also like to expand that number larger. Is the 941 too large and heavy or will I be better off with something like the 921. I tend to like to get things accomplished quick as possible. Thank you for the saved headaches. :-)


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Re: All American [Re: ZenLife]
    #18858284 - 09/18/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have a 925. Works fine on an electric stovetop, not too heavy.

I can pc 10 quart jars at a time, or 4 mycobags.

the 941 is a beast, im sure it will still work on the stove but after loaded up with water and grains... shit will be HEAVY


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Re: All American [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #18858488 - 09/18/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I had a 941 on an electric coil burner. The stove caved in like crazy but at least my jars got sterilized


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Re: All American [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #18858663 - 09/18/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you can swing it shoot for one of these bad boys and get a larger model such as 930, holds 14 qts, or 941 which holds 19. I wish I went with 941 lookin back but I couldn't swing it. I can do two batches back to back and wind up with 28 jars and that will keep me set for a few days even if I'm a busy bee. 38 would be tits though.
I own this guy. They Re great for camping too. I got the high low with the thought of bringing my pc up to heat and pressure sooner and switching to the low output. It's not much a difference in time and I'd rather not move around a pressurized pc anyway even if a few inches.  Still good to bring a pot of water to a boil ASAP. http://www.campchef.com/stoves/two-burner-stoves/outdoorsman-high-low-combo-double-burner-stove.html

I found it online much cheaper through a third party site.

I'd suggest this model and try to find it through a third party cheaper. Then go all out with a larger model aa. They save on energy as well wether gas or electric.
http://www.campchef.com/stoves/single-burner-stoves/universal-output-single-burner.html


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Re: All American [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18858757 - 09/18/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Get the biggest you can afford AND will also fit on your stove. Some stovetop configurations don't have a huge amount of space. A friend of mine has the microwave over his stovetop in his place. My AA921 barely fit under there, a 925 wouldn't fit. At home though I could fit a 941 on my stove with ease, hell I could probably run 4 of them at once. But I didn't have funds for one at the time so I got a 921. When I can afford a 941 I will be getting one, or two. :wink:


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Re: All American [Re: Juiceh]
    #18858809 - 09/18/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The mushroom cultivation crowd keeps AA in business :lol:


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Re: All American [Re: Stromrider]
    #18858901 - 09/18/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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psillyshroomer said:
The mushroom cultivation crowd keeps AA in business :lol:




Ain't that the truth. Just got my 75x today it's a beast


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Re: All American [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #18859011 - 09/18/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have a 930 and I can fit 6 Mycobags with 4 quarts of grain in each bag and fully loaded weighs about 70 lbs. Id say get the 941 if you want efficiency in production and if your stovetop does not support it, you could always get a propane burner for fairly cheap.


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Re: All American [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18861557 - 09/19/13 03:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can swing it shoot for one of these bad boys and get a larger model such as 930, holds 14 qts, or 941 which holds 19. I wish I went with 941 lookin back but I couldn't swing it. I can do two batches back to back and wind up with 28 jars and that will keep me set for a few days even if I'm a busy bee. 38 would be tits though.
I own this guy. They Re great for camping too. I got the high low with the thought of bringing my pc up to heat and pressure sooner and switching to the low output. It's not much a difference in time and I'd rather not move around a pressurized pc anyway even if a few inches.  Still good to bring a pot of water to a boil ASAP. http://www.campchef.com/stoves/two-burner-stoves/outdoorsman-high-low-combo-double-burner-stove.html

I found it online much cheaper through a third party site.

I'd suggest this model and try to find it through a third party cheaper. Then go all out with a larger model aa. They save on energy as well wether gas or electric.
http://www.campchef.com/stoves/single-burner-stoves/universal-output-single-burner.html



Excellent Advice Everyone. What is the difference between a pressure cooker and sterilizer such as the 75x?


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Re: All American [Re: ZenLife]
    #18861921 - 09/19/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In terms of this hobby, the differences are that sterilizers are electric and pressure cookers are stovetop appliances. Pressure cookers need to have the stove adjusted constantly in order to maintain pressure, while sterilizers can be walked away from once they reach pressure. And pressure cookers have a rocker weight on top while sterilizers have a toggle valve that you just close once steam is vented for a few minutes(although pressure cookers can be altered to have a toggle valve also). As far as the differences outside of cultivation, sterilizers are not suitable for canning/food preparation. If I'm missing anything guys feel free to correct me


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Re: All American [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #18862260 - 09/19/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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bulkgrownoob said: Pressure cookers need to have the stove adjusted constantly in order to maintain pressure, while sterilizers can be walked away from once they reach pressure.




While I am unaware of whether or not this is true for other pressure cookers, this is not the case with an all American.  I throw my burner on full blast while it brings it up to heat.  Wait for a steady flow of steam to be venting out for 5 to 10 minutes.  Throw on my weight, wait for it to come to 15psi, at that point I can lower it significantly.  Wait around 5 minutes just to make sure its still not too hi, judging by how often it rocks and hisses, or too low, by how low it drops in pressure.  So I get it just right, and I'm good to walk away. I always tend to check on it every 15 -20 minutes, however sometimes less.  But, if I get it just right I'm pretty content with walking away.  There have been times I've had to do shit or even run to the store.  My burner is outside so this isn't much of an issue of safety, and I've left it over an hour at times. 

When I first started using it I found myself adjusting a lot.  The main reason was because I never really let the air escape enough before making sure it was just steam inside, which would make it fluctuate a lot.  S long as you make sure its all steam and no more air, it stays at the same pressure with quite a small amount of heat on it.  I save so much in propane since I've got the technique down to a t.  Just always make sure you never run out of water. 

Doing everything right and water coming up about a quarter of the jars, you shouldn't have to worry about that though.


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Re: All American [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18862323 - 09/19/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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bulkgrownoob said: Pressure cookers need to have the stove adjusted constantly in order to maintain pressure, while sterilizers can be walked away from once they reach pressure.




While I am unaware of whether or not this is true for other pressure cookers, this is not the case with an all American.  I throw my burner on full blast while it brings it up to heat.  Wait for a steady flow of steam to be venting out for 5 to 10 minutes.  Throw on my weight, wait for it to come to 15psi, at that point I can lower it significantly.  Wait around 5 minutes just to make sure its still not too hi, judging by how often it rocks and hisses, or too low, by how low it drops in pressure.  So I get it just right, and I'm good to walk away. I always tend to check on it every 15 -20 minutes, however sometimes less.  But, if I get it just right I'm pretty content with walking away.  There have been times I've had to do shit or even run to the store.  My burner is outside so this isn't much of an issue of safety, and I've left it over an hour at times. 

When I first started using it I found myself adjusting a lot.  The main reason was because I never really let the air escape enough before making sure it was just steam inside, which would make it fluctuate a lot.  S long as you make sure its all steam and no more air, it stays at the same pressure with quite a small amount of heat on it.  I save so much in propane since I've got the technique down to a t.  Just always make sure you never run out of water. 

Doing everything right and water coming up about a quarter of the jars, you shouldn't have to worry about that though.




Definitely true, I find this to be the case as well. You have to get to know your PC and stove first though, and even then it's not an exact science. The temperature dial on AA steam sterilizers takes all the guesswork/ trial and error away, and there's no need to check every 15-20 minutes which is also what I find myself doing with stovetop PC's


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Re: All American [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #18862546 - 09/19/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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bulkgrownoob said:
In terms of this hobby, the differences are that sterilizers are electric and pressure cookers are stovetop appliances. Pressure cookers need to have the stove adjusted constantly in order to maintain pressure, while sterilizers can be walked away from once they reach pressure. And pressure cookers have a rocker weight on top while sterilizers have a toggle valve that you just close once steam is vented for a few minutes(although pressure cookers can be altered to have a toggle valve also). As far as the differences outside of cultivation, sterilizers are not suitable for canning/food preparation. If I'm missing anything guys feel free to correct me



All American also makes stovetop sterilizers, so not all sterilizers are electric. Sterilizers can do 20psi, allowing you to cut down sterilization times.

I run the burner for the PC at high heat till 15psi and the weight starts to vent. Then I can cut the heat all the way down to 1/8 heat, almost all the way off to maintain pressure. I usually do other things in the same room while the PC is cooking but don't have to dick with the heat at all at that point.


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Edited by Juiceh (09/19/13 11:09 AM)


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Re: All American [Re: Juiceh]
    #18862699 - 09/19/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I run the burner for the PC at high heat till 15psi and the weight starts to vent. Then I can cut the heat all the way down to 1/8 heat, almost all the way off to maintain pressure. I usually do other things in the same room while the PC is cooking but don't have to dick with the heat at all at that point.




Are you saying you start out with the weight on?  Not allowing for air to escape first and then putting on the weight?


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Re: All American [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18862823 - 09/19/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I run the burner for the PC at high heat till 15psi and the weight starts to vent. Then I can cut the heat all the way down to 1/8 heat, almost all the way off to maintain pressure. I usually do other things in the same room while the PC is cooking but don't have to dick with the heat at all at that point.




Are you saying you start out with the weight on?  Not allowing for air to escape first and then putting on the weight?



Of course not. I start with the weight off until steam is blasting out the vent then apply the weight.:grin:


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Re: All American [Re: Juiceh]
    #18862914 - 09/19/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

go for the 941 if you can do it:shrug: I almost bought a 25x on ebay a few days ago but I'm set on my pc a can fit 4 gallon bags in it at a time.


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Re: All American [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18882265 - 09/23/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you everyone for the advice :ooo:


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