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OfflineMr. Wilson
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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858221 - 09/18/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

NWlight brung down my rating---like I give a fuck--but still--this is a discussion on me stopping---NWlight you being like that makes want to go jack your kid's bicycles


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: Nimpo]
    #18858223 - 09/18/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Nimpo said:
Stealing from Walmart is a good thing, never steal from Mom and Pop stores.




That's some backwards ass thinking bullshit right there.  Stealing is stealing, you can't just arbitrarily decide what's "good stealing" and what's "bad stealing."


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858225 - 09/18/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #18858233 - 09/18/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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NotTheDevil said:
If you kill 10 people to save 1000 does that make killing 10 people right?



In that case, yes it does.

There's no such thing as a perfect world. Every decision has positive and negative consequences. "Right" is the best decision you can make under the circumstances. :shrug:


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858236 - 09/18/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:

Like, say I were to donate 10,000 dollars stolen from Wal-Mart to charity, and it went to save kids from HIV or something instead of lining some fat, greedy CEO's pockets. Explain to me why that would be wrong, why the world would be a worse place for me having done that.




Forcibly taking someone else's private property without their consent.  You honestly need someone to explain to you why that might be considered "wrong"?


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858245 - 09/18/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
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NWlight said:
I hope you go to jail for being a thieving piece of shit.





IMO, buying things from Wal-Mart and helping their business succeed is far worse than stealing from them.

Look at the whole picture man, this "stealing is wrong no matter who you steal from" is an incredibly immature viewpoint, the kind of moral absolutes that cops and fundamentalist Christians love to employ.




Hmmmmm, on reflection I think you might have a decent point.  I should make sure I steal from shoplifters every chance I get
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Like, say I were to donate 10,000 dollars stolen from Wal-Mart to charity, and it went to save kids from HIV or something instead of lining some fat, greedy CEO's pockets. Explain to me why that would be wrong, why the world would be a worse place for me having done that.




Because that is not your decision to make, thief.  I believe Wal-Mart donates quite a bit to variouis charities.  I bet it is quite a bit more than you do, John Dillinger.  What if someone were to decide that stealing from Wal-Mart and donating the proceeds to NAMBLA is the best way to help the world?  You got a problem with that?


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: jvm]
    #18858248 - 09/18/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

a 400$$ trolling motor---big ass heavy motherfucker---snatched and bailed out the front door---and was drunker than hell when I did it---ive hit em for bout 4grand in the last 2 months


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: ClockCode] * 1
    #18858251 - 09/18/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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ClockCode said:
Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction



That would be the Kantian viewpoint, which I think is riddled with logical problems and inconsistencies.

For instance, according to Kant, if someone comes to your door and asks to hide in your house because a man with an axe is chasing him, you have to let him in. However, if the axe murderer comes to your door and asks if the guy he's chasing is inside, you have to tell the truth, because lying is wrong under all circumstances.

I think John Stuart Mill's utilitarianism is way more logical: "Maximize happiness, minimize suffering." What else should ethics be about?


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18858254 - 09/18/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
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Nimpo said:
Stealing from Walmart is a good thing, never steal from Mom and Pop stores.




That's some backwards ass thinking bullshit right there.  Stealing is stealing, you can't just arbitrarily decide what's "good stealing" and what's "bad stealing."




Huge chain stores account for theft, small private shops don't. Its that simple. Youll hurt the smaller stores exponentially more than stealing from a large chain, and in the case of Walmart who moves in and closes down the smaller shops, stealing from them is very acceptable.

Is a poor man stealing a few cans of food from Walmart to feed his starving family "bad stealing?"
If someone without health insurance manages to steal a bottle of antibiotics to treat a family member and cure them of a potentially life threatening infection "bad" or "good" stealing? Big pharma companies wont be taking a hit


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18858256 - 09/18/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Samurai Drifter said:
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NWlight said:
I hope you go to jail for being a thieving piece of shit.





IMO, buying things from Wal-Mart and helping their business succeed is far worse than stealing from them.

Look at the whole picture man, this "stealing is wrong no matter who you steal from" is an incredibly immature viewpoint, the kind of moral absolutes that cops and fundamentalist Christians love to employ.




Hmmmmm, on reflection I think you might have a decent point.  I should make sure I steal from shoplifters every chance I get
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Like, say I were to donate 10,000 dollars stolen from Wal-Mart to charity, and it went to save kids from HIV or something instead of lining some fat, greedy CEO's pockets. Explain to me why that would be wrong, why the world would be a worse place for me having done that.




Because that is not your decision to make, thief.  I believe Wal-Mart donates quite a bit to variouis charities.  I bet it is quite a bit more than you do, John Dillinger.  What if someone were to decide that stealing from Wal-Mart and donating the proceeds to NAMBLA is the best way to help the world?  You got a problem with that?



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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: Mr. Wilson]
    #18858259 - 09/18/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Mr. Wilson said:
a 400$$ trolling motor---big ass heavy motherfucker---snatched and bailed out the front door---and was drunker than hell when I did it---ive hit em for bout 4grand in the last 2 months




:lol: that's the wrong kinda confession to make on the internet regardless of which website.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858261 - 09/18/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: Mr. Wilson]
    #18858262 - 09/18/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's more than you did, thief.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858267 - 09/18/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
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NotTheDevil said:
If you kill 10 people to save 1000 does that make killing 10 people right?



In that case, yes it does.

There's no such thing as a perfect world. Every decision has positive and negative consequences. "Right" is the best decision you can make under the circumstances. :shrug:



So not only do you advocate theft, but also murder? That's nice.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: badchad]
    #18858268 - 09/18/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Stealing from walmart makes you a good person and the universe will reward your efforts.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: Nimpo]
    #18858272 - 09/18/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Nimpo said:
I used to shop lift all the time when I was 16 and 17. Packs of bic lighters, candy, glow sticks, weed grinder, sweaters, ect.

I stopped at 18 though because I knew getting caught was no longer a slap on the wrist.



I did the same shit at the same age and stopped for the same reason:highfive1:


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: Mr. Wilson]
    #18858277 - 09/18/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Mr. Wilson said:
NWlight brung down my rating---like I give a fuck--but still--this is a discussion on me stopping---NWlight you being like that makes want to go jack your kid's bicycles



All stores know that a certain amount will be stolen and they add this to the price of all goods.

This is called "losses".  People who steal make goods more expensive for everyone else.

http://hayesinternational.com/2013/06/increases-in-shoplifting-employee-theft/

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We recently completed our 25th Annual Retail Theft Survey and the results reflect a much greater problem than many people realize.  These thieves (shoplifters and dishonest employees) are stealing profits from retailers thus resulting in higher retail prices for consumers, and even putting some stores out of business.




There are no victimless thefts.  If you can make a good argument against this I won't mind changing my rating.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: Nimpo]
    #18858278 - 09/18/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Nimpo said:
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abltsandwich said:
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Nimpo said:
Stealing from Walmart is a good thing, never steal from Mom and Pop stores.




That's some backwards ass thinking bullshit right there.  Stealing is stealing, you can't just arbitrarily decide what's "good stealing" and what's "bad stealing."




Huge chain stores account for theft, small private shops don't. Its that simple. Youll hurt the smaller stores exponentially more than stealing from a large chain, and in the case of Walmart who moves in and closes down the smaller shops, stealing from them is very acceptable.

Is a poor man stealing a few cans of food from Walmart to feed his starving family "bad stealing?"
If someone without health insurance manages to steal a bottle of antibiotics to treat a family member and cure them of a potentially life threatening infection "bad" or "good" stealing? Big pharma companies wont be taking a hit




It's not for me to decide what's "good stealing" or "bad stealing" regardless of moral ambiguity.  Same with you.
I think of Wal-Mart as a successful business and I have absolutely no problem with their business model so your entire basis of justification is flim flam bullshit to me.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18858280 - 09/18/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No you would tell him the following, "Sorry, I cannot tell you where your prey is because I must protect him from you."

That is neither a lie, nor a violation of the second formulation.

In the case of theft, stealing cannot be universalized and thus is not a moral action.  Regardless of who you are stealing from.


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Re: Shoplifting---and yall's opinion?? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18858281 - 09/18/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Because that is not your decision to make, thief.



I'm not a thief, illogical moralizer. I don't shoplift. However, that's mostly because I don't actually generally go into stores that I would shoplift from, because I think supporting them and giving them business is wrong too.

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I believe Wal-Mart donates quite a bit to variouis charities.  I bet it is quite a bit more than you do, John Dillinger.  What if someone were to decide that stealing from Wal-Mart and donating the proceeds to NAMBLA is the best way to help the world?  You got a problem with that?



I would have a problem with that because donating to that organization would not fit my ethical criteria of "maximize happiness, minimize suffering."


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