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Mini monotub/ Shoebox bulk bricks in SGFC * 2
    #18857907 - 09/18/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Tubs that will fit 2quarts(spawn+sub) to a 4 inch depth are always not tall enough to account for the fruits. So for a mini-mini monotub like this would it be better to just fruit as a tray in a SGFC or could you attach another tub of the same size upside down over the top of the substrate tub and tape it and turn that into a mono?

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I went with a shoebox size plastic bin. 2 quarts rye spawn to 2 quarts properly pasteurized coir+verm with some coffee water. This result in a colonized block which was removed from the tub and put into a SGFC on a piece of foil. The brick was not "rolled" in verm, but I might try that later. The grains were not dunked prior to spawning because I forgot, but I'll be trying the Frank's grain dunk TEK next time. This particular block is AA+

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I found that one brick of coir + 4.5 quarts of water + 1-1.5 quarts of verm + 6 quarts of spawn was perfect for (3) 6 quart shoeboxes. i have also just weighed out ~215 grams of coir + 1.5 quarts of water + 0.5 quarts of verm + 2 quarts of spawn for one shoebox OR for a 16 quart minitub.






9.22.13

I used a huge salad mixing bowl to mix the spawn and sub before putting into the shoe box.

9.24.13

Coming along quite quickly

9.27.13



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10.1.13

In the SGFC on some foil.

Hopefully pins soon.

10.3.13


Still no pins yet. No biggie.

10.7.13


A few big pins a lot of really small hard to see pins and tones of knots. Most of the action is on the side and not the top.

10.8.13



100's of pins and about 64 good sized ones that are easily countable at a glance.

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Closeups edition








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10.13.13

About 130g wet. part of the first flush.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18857930 - 09/18/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I make bricks of coir similar to what you're describing.  I fruit them in a SGFC with ease.  I take them out of the tray, set them of foil on top of perlite and treat them like BRF cakes minus the dunk and roll (i dunk for 60 minutes after each flush, but never before the first).

Mine are double the size you're looking to do, but same concept.  Here is a pic, usual yields 2-4 oz per flush per brick.  I could get better yields but this is usually made of my left overs I did not grain to grain.




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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
    #18857983 - 09/18/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

haha this is great. I was looking for 1-2oz yields. I dunk my grains prior to spawning now thanks to Frank so I don't do any dunk before the first flush either. I guess why not waist the SGFC I have from cake days and besides testing cultures with cakes I can just put them right in too.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
    #18858043 - 09/18/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I make bricks of coir similar to what you're describing.  I fruit them in a SGFC with ease.  I take them out of the tray, set them of foil on top of perlite and treat them like BRF cakes minus the dunk and roll (i dunk for 60 minutes after each flush, but never before the first).

Mine are double the size you're looking to do, but same concept.  Here is a pic, usual yields 2-4 oz per flush per brick.  I could get better yields but this is usually made of my left overs I did not grain to grain.







Does taking up so much room on foil in an SGFC hurt your humidity?  I feel like it would be hard for water off the perlite to evaporate with such large areas covered.  I guess since the block is so big it probably helps feed its own humidity?


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18858051 - 09/18/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have some pics of my Mini monotubs, they are 16qt totes.



They were done at a 1:2 ratio with 2qts of spawn and 4 qts of bulk substrate (50/50 coir and vermiculite with a bit of gypsum)each. Substrate death was around 3 inches.


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    #18861674 - 09/19/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I make bricks of coir similar to what you're describing.  I fruit them in a SGFC with ease.  I take them out of the tray, set them of foil on top of perlite and treat them like BRF cakes minus the dunk and roll (i dunk for 60 minutes after each flush, but never before the first).

Mine are double the size you're looking to do, but same concept.  Here is a pic, usual yields 2-4 oz per flush per brick.  I could get better yields but this is usually made of my left overs I did not grain to grain.







Does taking up so much room on foil in an SGFC hurt your humidity?  I feel like it would be hard for water off the perlite to evaporate with such large areas covered.  I guess since the block is so big it probably helps feed its own humidity?




Well, its hard for me to gauge properly on the humidity.  My mycology area is an old indoor herbal garden so its designed for massive amounts of air flow (2 ac units, central overhead fan and an exhaust). So for me I have to mist 3-4 times a day if I use a SGFC, I would imagine under normal circumstances twice a day should be fine, especially with the type of substrate used to make these bricks (coir and verm).


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
    #18861908 - 09/19/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have done this with both 6 quart shoeboxes and am doing it now with a 16 quart minitub. For whatever reason, I decided to make holes in it like  a SGFC. Here is a thread with pics of a 6q shoebox I used with cocoa husk. I was getting a dry oz. off each flush with nice strong fruits.


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18630845


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    #18861922 - 09/19/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here is a picture of a 6q shoebox filled with coir/verm/spawn to the top,colonized, then put in a SGFC. That is probably the best option for yield purposes except it is very messy. It falls apart very easily.






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    #18862079 - 09/19/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
    #18862103 - 09/19/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Here is a picture of a 6q shoebox filled with coir/verm/spawn to the top,colonized, then put in a SGFC. That is probably the best option for yield purposes except it is very messy. It falls apart very easily.









I usually wait till it's fully colonized or at least 95% if I get invitro pinning. Sometimes the sub will shrink before full colonization depending on spawn ratio leaving that micro climate. These work great without liners as you'll get pins all over the place.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
    #18862129 - 09/19/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, this is 100% but it was hard to mix everything around properly in the 6q shoebox so there was like chunks of coir that wouldn't colonize.  i think the two pictures are different cakes... i had one that i had no room for and i had to leave it for 2-3 weeks in the shoebox and it got covered in pins and i believe that one worked better... bulk cakes are definitely superior to pf cakes in many ways... i would have just stuck to these bulk cakes and forgot about pf cakes if it weren't for all of the 4/8 oz. jars i have left over.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
    #18862140 - 09/19/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah, this is 100% but it was hard to mix everything around properly in the 6q shoebox so there was like chunks of coir that wouldn't colonize.  i think the two pictures are different cakes... i had one that i had no room for and i had to leave it for 2-3 weeks in the shoebox and it got covered in pins and i believe that one worked better... bulk cakes are definitely superior to pf cakes in many ways... i would have just stuck to these bulk cakes and forgot about pf cakes if it weren't for all of the 4/8 oz. jars i have left over.




Use them for inoculation. I actually switched to half quart jars for inoculation.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
    #18862165 - 09/19/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

All of this is awesome. I'm going to give the 6quart shoe box grain cakes a try.


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    #18862284 - 09/19/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah, this is 100% but it was hard to mix everything around properly in the 6q shoebox so there was like chunks of coir that wouldn't colonize.  i think the two pictures are different cakes... i had one that i had no room for and i had to leave it for 2-3 weeks in the shoebox and it got covered in pins and i believe that one worked better... bulk cakes are definitely superior to pf cakes in many ways... i would have just stuck to these bulk cakes and forgot about pf cakes if it weren't for all of the 4/8 oz. jars i have left over.




This is also a problem,  it is hard to properly and evenly mix in these little boxes.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
    #18862351 - 09/19/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mix in a large salad bowl pour into tubs?


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    #18862362 - 09/19/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mix in a large salad bowl pour into tubs?




Worth a try,  2 and 2 gives you around 4ish inches,  1 and 2 gives you about 3.5 ish inches.


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    #18862502 - 09/19/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

actually, what i did eventually was (using the bucket pasteurization tek) once the coir was cooled within the bucket, i would put all the spawn in the bucket with the substrate. i found that one brick of coir + 4.5 quarts of water + 1-1.5 quarts of verm + 6 quarts of spawn was perfect for (3) 6 quart shoeboxes. i have also just weighed out ~215 grams of coir + 1.5 quarts of water + 0.5 quarts of verm + 2 quarts of spawn for one shoebox OR for a 16 quart minitub. Here is a picture of my SGFC/minitub hybrid:



if you have a limited amount of space, like if you can only fit like (8) 18 gallon tubs in your closet or grown room or whatever, the minitubs are good because you can squeeze them in somewhere without having to sacrifice one of your regular size tubs


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    #18862519 - 09/19/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You read my mind. Just now I was doing the math to do 1 or two of those shoe boxes and trying to figure out how to cut up the coir.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18864853 - 09/19/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17813589/fpart/1/vc/1

probably a lot smaller than yours but I love these things. I grew enough to last me awhile. I stll have like a half ounce. Granted I am not a hardcore shroomer, but still; there is some good info


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    #18864895 - 09/19/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol lots of cool stuff there tbag :thumbup:


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    #18875583 - 09/22/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



The first picture is with a flash. It almost looks like its colonized with myc but it's just the moisture.

I'll let you all know how my shoebox turns out. This one is 2quarts AA+ spawn from a clone culture. The jar smelled like fresh mushrooms but a bit more sharp than other grain jars I have opened. I don't have a good way to describe what I mean by sharp but it was almost like more pungent mushroom smell. This is spawned to 2 quarts of properly pasteurized coir/verm/coffee.

I'm not making a liner hopefully side pins won't be a problem as I'm taking this out and fruiting it on foil in a SGFC like a big brick.

Damn I forgot to dunk my grains.


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    #18877018 - 09/22/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

looks good.


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    #18884739 - 09/24/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



Still look healthy? This is the one with spawn that smelled like fresh mushrooms but different than any other jar I have ever smelled.

I just got a dry ounce off of 10 1/4pint cakes. 2.8g average for that small of a cake not too bad.


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    #18896143 - 09/26/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it looks exactly how it is supposed to look. i meant to tell you earlier but i wanted to share some pictues. you shouldn't take the cover off; leave it on or else it will slow down the colonization process, not to mention you are risking contamination. i know this picture is horrible, but i made this from 200 grams of coir +  1.75 quarts of water + 1 quart of vermiculite + 2 large quarts of B+ WBS.



it looks the same as yours.

here is a picture of a recent bulk cake i made from a similar recipe:



I can't say why for sure, but i have better luck with grain than i do with the pf cakes. i feel like i have more control over the contamination rates with grain than i do with pf cakes. i can usually explain the rare contaminatoin of a grain jar,meanwhile pf cakes seem to contaminate at random. there very well may be mold spore spread amongst my grow area from contaminated jars.... ANYWAY

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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
    #18896224 - 09/26/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IME taking the cover off for a second to snap a pic won't hurt nothing. Is neither a contam risk, nor will it induce pinning. If you took the cover off for a couple of hours that might be bad.


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    #18896302 - 09/26/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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IME taking the cover off for a second to snap a pic won't hurt nothing. Is neither a contam risk, nor will it induce pinning. If you took the cover off for a couple of hours that might be bad.




yah, ur probably right. i had in mind to keep the co2 levels high but i guess it doesn't matter because the actually substate takes up the majority of the volume


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    #18897730 - 09/27/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Frank has a lot to say about taking the cover off of a tub ha. I guess the consensus is that it's ok to take it off to snap a pic. I already had the camera set up and in hand so the cover was off for maybe 5 seconds at most any way. And I didn't cut corners with pasteurization


this is how it looks after 4 days and 20 hours
probably ready to fruit in a couple days

I also have an AA+ cake going that was inoc with MS and on it's second flush it has one fruit growing that's not displaying leucism trait. I think I'm going to clone that and see if I cant get some regular typical colored looking AA+ to post over in strain
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    #18897805 - 09/27/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This is the one with spawn that smelled like fresh mushrooms but different than any other jar I have ever smelled.





Can you try to relate it to something you've smelled before? I've had that same description of a spawn jar before to find out it is definitely contaminated. I first related the smell to "almost blue-cheesy" and after I left the jar for a while to see what happened it started to smell VERY strong like rotten apples.

Like these jars:



The quart is unhealthy (the strong apple smell) and the pint on the right is healthy (you can see the little rhyzo arms pressed to the side of the jar). Only a week ago, the quart jar was just as white and healthy looking at a glance as the pint. Not until I smelled that rank smell did I know. You can identify this by common infection by accelerated growth, the "off" smell at first which turns into an obviously wrong smell, and the white color has an off tinge to it and you can see it's more puffy and missing the rhyzo growth upon closer inspection.

I don't wanna say your tub has this bacteria... but it does exhibit signs. Just fruit as normal, and see how it goes.  I'm sure there is mushroom mycelium in there so if anything you should at least get to see a first flush!

Good luck!

Btw, I've recently discovered that I can smell through the polyfill in my jar lids. Just a tip incase your lids have polyfill in them!


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    #18897827 - 09/27/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yea I use polyfil. I can only smell through it after I shake though. The smell wasn't bleu cheese. I did have some jars that did smell like bleu cheese those got tossed right away but I made them with a MS syringe. The tub smells like fresh mushrooms now so I'm guessing it's good. My sinuses are so fucked from allergies so it's hard to say. Those jars did smell mushroom like but just more potent mushroom smell which I guess hardly makes sense. Either way the tub smells like everything else that has ever been successful so I'm hoping for some good results.

my fiance's cat is always trying to eat polyfil so the only place I can put a monotub in this small ass place looks stupid so It's going to be these shoe boxes in the SGFC for me...


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    #18900443 - 09/27/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Since this thing is going into a SGFC would it be advisable "roll" it in verm?


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    #18900449 - 09/27/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't.  For my greenhouse I will.  But with a SGFC I treat it just like cakes minus the dunk and roll.


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    #18900504 - 09/27/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't.  For my greenhouse I will.  But with a SGFC I treat it just like cakes minus the dunk and roll.




awesome, I might mess with verm down the road but I'll leave this one without. I think it's going to be ready to fruit tomorrow but I think I'll wait an extra day just in case.

Would you put the brick back into the plastic tub after the first flush and give it a dunk? or do you suggest a heavy misting.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18900555 - 09/27/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18840073


Here is a fc and method that I have used off and on over the last year.  I am not plugging myself as much as how to make a mono-tub work for mini-monos.  It works with vermiculite as well.

I finally got a chance to document a grow in a very small tray inside a larger box.  Hopefully there is some insight gained.


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    #18900867 - 09/27/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Would you put the brick back into the plastic tub after the first flush and give it a dunk? or do you suggest a heavy misting.




i fill a 5 gallon bucket up with cold water and weigh the brick down somehow,  usually with another bucket on top of it. there are probably better ways to do it. sometimes small chunks of the brick may fall off if you're not careful. i let cold water run in the 5 gallon bucket for 2-3 hours and get a huge flush shortly after.


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    #18901715 - 09/28/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the info guys.



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    #18902133 - 09/28/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

looks good, looks ready


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    #18910325 - 09/30/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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looks good, looks ready





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    #18915679 - 10/01/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pics to come later. The brick is now in the SGFC and looking good. I'm surprised how solid the brick is. I mean pieces would fall off it I were not careful but it's pretty solid for coir held together with myc.


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    #18915742 - 10/01/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Pics to come later. The brick is now in the SGFC and looking good. I'm surprised how solid the brick is. I mean pieces would fall off it I were not careful but it's pretty solid for coir held together with myc.




yeAH, for now it is not bad. it is very heavy and placing it in the sgfc can be annoying. once mushrooms start growing, and you start dunking it, it becomes more and more delicate. looking forward to pics.


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    #18917620 - 10/01/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



here she is.


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    #18920665 - 10/02/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Updated the OP with the dated pictures and info.


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    #18925664 - 10/03/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

10.3.13


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    #18925731 - 10/03/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

dont worry, it will come. i just put a fresh bulk cake in my sgfc 2 days ago and am waiting for the knots to turn into pins. pay attention for possible contams; bc this thing takes up alot of space in ur fc, it is easy for mold to build up in a corner that is not noticable if you're only looking at the fc from one angle.


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    #18925752 - 10/03/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have cakes surrounding it(you can see a cap on the middle right) they're all 1/4 pint test cakes to see if my cultures and syringes are good, but they produce so well that I don't really need to make the bricks but heh why not. This makes it hard to see the sides but I keep an eye on it as best I can I'm sure I would notice something unless it was on the bottom. I'm not expecting this thing to pin for probably at least 2-3 more days any way.


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    #18925848 - 10/03/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



Those are 16qt  miniature monotubs


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    #18927360 - 10/03/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are 16qt  miniature monotubs





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    #18936095 - 10/05/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lots of knotting on the sides and a bit on the top should be proud pins very soon I'll take a picture then.


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    #18946196 - 10/07/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

10.7.13

Not a huge amount of pins on the top but there's hundreds on the sides.


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    #18948809 - 10/08/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

looks good, man. here is a picture of how my cake is doing:



i just started to harvest a few mushrooms today. i was trying to figure out a timeline regarding when i put mine in fruiting conditions versus when you put yours in fruiting conditions. i believe you put yours in fruiting conditions before mine, but mine may have been sitting in the shoebox colonzing longer. this cake i made had a high vermiculite content bc i was lacking coir and made up for it with verm. these fruits seems to be bigger than the last bulk cake i made. also, it may have something to do with me using a rack versus you using a big piece of foil. i was worried about the cake recieving humidity from the perlite and thats why i use a sink rack instead of tin foil. you may want to look into that. looks good otherwise, tho!


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    #18948981 - 10/08/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That looks good too. The AA+ I'm growing has always been on the slow side compared to any thing else I grow. Hopefully I don't end up with a mass amount of aborts. I can easily count over 100 pins today, 64pins that are big enough to see without scrutinizing. I've had the AA+ strain that's in this brick grow on 1/4pint cakes and make 4-5" fruits so I'm hoping for some monsters.

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    #18948993 - 10/08/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

oooohhhh i was wondering why the pins were white... yeah, that's awesome, keep up with the pics!


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    #18949006 - 10/08/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I can't wait for my creeper brick to be ready. I'm still hammering out my agar work. Lot's of trial and error working with that your first few times. I'm actually considering re-trying no pour petri's with my pp5 1/4 pint jars. They're not as deep as using the glass jars which makes cutting out sections and condensation a pain.

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oooohhhh i was wondering why the pins were white... yeah, that's awesome, keep up with the pics!



The last time I grew this AA+ out on the test cake I ended up with 1 colored pin, but it still had the phenotypes of the other fruits as far as shape. Maybe a few will pop out of this brick.


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    #18949024 - 10/08/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i just started succeeding with agar. i found the main problem is finding a sterile source of petri dishes. if you can get the pp5 jars sterile then do it. if you're experiencing alot of error, probably has to do with whatever you're using as dishes.


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    #18949050 - 10/08/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have glass dishes but the problem is how hard they are to handle in a SAB as well as how loose the lid fits so storage is a pain. I could buy parafilm but I would rather not. I had luck with the no-pours using the really short ball jars but the condensation made spores germinate everywhere on the dish which was pretty useless for me. Contamination has been an issue but not a big issue. I think I know where and why I was getting the nasty stuff. Mostly being my procedure and haphazardness while stoned.

I got the idea to just use my pp5 1/4 pints(with a similar to grain lid) as no-pour dishes because I've been using them for sterile PF cakes to use as "wedges" to inoculate grain jars with good success. They're like petris that give me a few extra grams of free shrooms when I'm done with them since I use the SGFC for the shoebox bricks anyway.

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    #18949642 - 10/08/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

are you saying you inoculate grain jars with pieces of pf cakes? did i understand that correctly?

i am in the process of trying to isolate a b+ dish but i am fighting trich that keeps following me. i made a couple dozen sterile agar dishes with 0 contamination after a week or so but put them in my fridge until i am ready to use them. it has been a month. now, when i use them, there is condensation that makes a pool of water and also the agar in the dish cracks in different places when it thaws. idk if it is common knowledge as to avoid this but beware before you make this mistake.


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    #18950653 - 10/08/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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are you saying you inoculate grain jars with pieces of pf cakes? did i understand that correctly?





Yep, But they are PF cakes in a pp5 1/4 pint container with a silicone SHIP and polyfill GE port. So there's no dry verm barrier to bring contaminates in. My cakes are just as clean as a grain master jar. I cut a small piece out of it before it goes through consolidation put the lid back on let it consolidate and fruit it. This is all done in a SAB of course.


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    #18950677 - 10/08/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Bodhisatta, what PP5 quarter pints do you use for no-pour?


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    #18950719 - 10/08/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Bodhisatta, what PP5 quarter pints do you use for no-pour?


The only difference between a Cake to Grain transfer is fewer inoculation points.




I haven't tried the 1/4pint pp5 jar for a no-pour yet only the traditional small fat ball jars that come in a 4 pack.

They're either glad or ziploc brand with a blue lid. It's actually like using the cake as a agar wedge so still the same 1 inoculate point. I can still g2g that grain jar to other grain jars then but I use the PF cake to make sure there's no contams in my LC syringe (I end up using the LC syringe to inoculate other grain jars through their SHIPs though rather than doing g2g).


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    #18950737 - 10/08/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I got the idea to just use my pp5 1/4 pints(with a similar to grain lid) as no-pour dishes because I've been using them for sterile PF cakes to use as "wedges" to inoculate grain jars with good success.




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    #18950845 - 10/08/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I got the idea to just use my pp5 1/4 pints(with a similar to grain lid) as no-pour dishes because I've been using them for sterile PF cakes to use as "wedges" to inoculate grain jars with good success.




You lie:kingcrankey:

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I'm actually considering re-trying no pour petri's with my pp5 1/4 pint jars. They're not as deep as using the glass jars which makes cutting out sections and condensation a pain.






ha Havent tried it using agar yet only PF cakes in them.


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    #18958412 - 10/10/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

10.10.13




man these things grow slow ha. I thought it was about 4-5 days for a mature fruit from a pin. My temps drop to about 65F at night though maybe that's slowing them down a bit. AA+ has always been a slow colonizer for me. I know a cube is a cube but in general I find it to be true.


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    #18958627 - 10/10/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How long until the creeper brick is ready?


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    #18958639 - 10/10/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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How long until the creeper brick is ready?




If I don't get contams from inoculating my grain jars with transfers in the SAB then probably 3 weeks or so(10 to colonize the rye, 10 to colonize the substrate give or take). I'm still waiting to see growth come off of the "wedges" from the viable strain creeper PF cake I used as inoculate for two grain jars.


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I have some pics of my Mini monotubs, they are 16qt totes.



They were done at a 1:2 ratio with 2qts of spawn and 4 qts of bulk substrate (50/50 coir and vermiculite with a bit of gypsum)each. Substrate death was around 3 inches.




Scruffy do you need to take the lids off and fan every so often, or are holes that large with polyfill sufficient for fae?!


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    #18962986 - 10/11/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

10.11.13
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    #18963176 - 10/11/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

good job; keep on keepin' on


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I have some pics of my Mini monotubs, they are 16qt totes.



They were done at a 1:2 ratio with 2qts of spawn and 4 qts of bulk substrate (50/50 coir and vermiculite with a bit of gypsum)each. Substrate death was around 3 inches.




Scruffy do you need to take the lids off and fan every so often, or are holes that large with polyfill sufficient for fae?!




With a monotub the aim is to not have to fan at all. You dial it in.
How to dial in your monotubs like a boss
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    #18974454 - 10/13/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

10.12.13





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Just some of the ones I picked off today. About 130g wet.


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    #18974526 - 10/13/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i have never seen aa+ before, those look very cool


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    #18974578 - 10/13/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yea, I like AA quite a bit. I know the cube is a cube thing but since AA is a perpetuated mutant I think that's why I get such slow colonization times vs the average with any other cube. Potency is there though in every MS grow I have done with them and of course from clone tissue. I've never really had a bunk grow though as far as potency. You would think those stems are hollow but they're pretty meaty they're a tiny bit hollow right in the middle but the biggest fruit I plucked today was 18g wet. I'm sure I'll be getting some monsters on the second flush.


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    #18975310 - 10/14/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yea, I like AA quite a bit. I know the cube is a cube thing but since AA is a perpetuated mutant I think that's why I get such slow colonization times vs the average with any other cube.



AA is not known to be a slow colonizer.

There is no one variety of cube that is known to colonize faster or slower than any other variety.

This is because there is no way to predict what genetics will come up.

This is why we isolate single strains on agar, and keep the best performers.


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    #18975845 - 10/14/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yea, I like AA quite a bit. I know the cube is a cube thing but since AA is a perpetuated mutant I think that's why I get such slow colonization times vs the average with any other cube.



AA is not known to be a slow colonizer.

There is no one variety of cube that is known to colonize faster or slower than any other variety.

This is because there is no way to predict what genetics will come up.

This is why we isolate single strains on agar, and keep the best performers.




I know.
but with that said AA+ has always taken longer for me. I don't have an isolate only clones ATM but even with that the colonization times are longer than any MS or Clone grow with any other cube and that's just my experience. After that many trials and it always being slower IDK it has the genes to almost always be luistic so there's inevitably some genetic difference in its linage.
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This is because there is no way to predict what genetics will come up.



except we can predict albino or luistic variety will show that trait the vast majority of the time. This obviously means the protein(s) that encode for pigmentation are missing which might effect other processes in a biological cascade. Think about being born without the FMRP gene you're not only going to be retarded but also you'll have a weird bone structure because it plays two roles. I don't know enough about genes in mushrooms to say anything about it but I'm very aware of the current opinion in strain discussion here.

So I really don't know but I'll try to isolate a AA+ strain that colonizes as fast as any MS grow of any other variety.


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    #18978629 - 10/14/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I ended up pulling almost everything off the first flush came in at 25 dry grams. I only left pins and very small shrooms. Almost no aborts which was cool. I'll post pics again when the second flush matures.


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    #19009205 - 10/21/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry no good pics of the second flush. Didn't have the camera around. Lots of huge fruits. The second flush was 230G wet drying now. The first flush all together came out to 31g dried. I'll call it the first and a half flush since there were some that came in before what I would call the second. So a little over an ounce dry from the first flush(even though I said 25 in the last post I got a few more off) and then 230g wet from the second flush.

lots of fuzzy feet on the second flush. I Imagine it's not lack of FAE since nothing has changed in the fruiting chamber or room that it's in. And never having got fuzzy feet before.


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    #19012716 - 10/22/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

congrats! how was the speed of the second flush?


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    #19013025 - 10/22/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty quick. About 5-6 days. I feel bad that I couldn't get a good picture of them.

I just dunked the whole brick for 15 hours and put it back in. It ate through two layers of tin foil since I had originally put it in. Didn't break the brick at all dunking it. Let's see what the third flush can do. No sign of contams yet but it does have what I believe to be metabolites showing up. Slightly yellow on the sides. I'll take a picture when some pins come or if it fails.


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    #19013189 - 10/22/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yes, i have experienced the brick becoming yellow at some points from metabolites that ended being a contamination. pay close attention.


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    #19013222 - 10/22/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I figure it will contam out. If I'm seeing metabolites surely it's fighting the inevitable off.

I'm going to go take a look at my petri plates and grain jars of creeper. If there's anything worth taking a picture of I'll have it here in a little while.

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I'm pretty sure this is cobweb over-running cube myc since it's the only one with growth that far away from the center. This was a Pin to agar attempt. I dipped the pin in h2o2 full strength for 10minutes while my SAB was getting still. At least this is the only dish with contams as far as I can tell.


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    #19051966 - 10/29/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #19052714 - 10/29/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well the only real update is that the brick stopped producing. The dunk after the second flush did nothing. It still hasn't molded but no new pins have shown up in 5 days. It's turning yellowish orange on most of the sides which I thought was metabolites but perhaps its bacterial and it is finally contamed. Overall yield was 1 dry oz + 26g So nearly 2oz dry from two quarts of spawn and two quarts of coir.


I have some grain jars that are nearly 100% with creeper and I have some more AA+ jars in the works. So nothing new for at least a week or two.


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    #19130879 - 11/13/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Creeper is 7 days into colonization. Top looks pretty covered. I'm letting it go to at least 10 days though.

Also have an AA+ which is a day behind the creeper going.

Also dunked my grains this time. Seems to be colonizing at the same speed.


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    #19139828 - 11/15/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wow just found this thread, and I usually end up reading all of ur threads bodhi! dunno y this one lost me haha.  I have 4 mini buckets going,2 with a 2:2 ratio and 2 with 1:1 ratio all quart measurements.  love the write up on using SGFC after one has overcome pf tek.  I do it too but with way smaller trays (1 pint spawn 1.5 pint substrate) pics in my pics folder (I guess its called?).  That petri scared me! happened to me too.  I get not so great results dunking coir trays after 1st flush as well.  up to 5 large fruits, nothing much else, failed pins and ....post pins... like the 3/4 to 1 inch variety.  never done any PE varieties (I'm assuming here that AA+ is a PE variety so correct me if I'm wrong...) only because aesthetically I don't like the way they look, even tho potency, yield, etc. with or without isolates can be greater.  I like the way regular shrooms look.  Keep us updated on  the creepers!  are they going to be SGFC bricks or tubs of some sort?


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    #19139998 - 11/15/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wow just found this thread, and I usually end up reading all of ur threads bodhi! dunno y this one lost me haha.  I have 4 mini buckets going,2 with a 2:2 ratio and 2 with 1:1 ratio all quart measurements.  love the write up on using SGFC after one has overcome pf tek.  I do it too but with way smaller trays (1 pint spawn 1.5 pint substrate) pics in my pics folder (I guess its called?).  That petri scared me! happened to me too.  I get not so great results dunking coir trays after 1st flush as well.  up to 5 large fruits, nothing much else, failed pins and ....post pins... like the 3/4 to 1 inch variety.  never done any PE varieties (I'm assuming here that AA+ is a PE variety so correct me if I'm wrong...) only because aesthetically I don't like the way they look, even tho potency, yield, etc. with or without isolates can be greater.  I like the way regular shrooms look.  Keep us updated on  the creepers!  are they going to be SGFC bricks or tubs of some sort?



:thumbup:

I have no idea where AA+ comes from as far as linage but I just like the way it looks. I would really love to get my hands on some PE prints *if any one wants to send me a PM*

Right now the next two bricks are going to be just like the first one. One creeper and one AA+. I'm actually trying to slow down my fruiting operations since I have more shrooms then I know what to do with and I'm not about to hustle them. I'm more or less concentrating on my mycellium farm.

As far as dunking goes. I dunked my grains this time before spawning (IE franks dunk tek) and I don't really notice a difference in colonization time.

The dunking of the actual brick after the first/second flush though is something I'm skipping this time around. It really didn't help at all, I'll just do a strong heavy misting most likely. Seems like my bricks got about 2.5 flushes and fizzled out.


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    #19141214 - 11/15/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

cool.  I have some qts going and I might do a side by side comparison with dunk/ no dunk.  I dunked 2 4 lb bags of colonized rye and they contamed so Im fearful of the dunk (so much waiting down the tube...).  But thinking back I remember that under the filter patch of the bags, there were about 7 or 8 un colonized grains, very similar to the bacteria spots seen in many posts here hiding in jars, so I think it was that, because I have used tap water in nearly every other part of the process with no problem.


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    #19150367 - 11/17/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



AA+ and the Creeper.


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    #19150373 - 11/17/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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AA+ and the Creeper.





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    #19150409 - 11/17/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Probably going to fruit that creeper in a day or two. I'm in no rush so even though it's bulk it can consolidate a bit


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    #19150446 - 11/17/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That creeper be looking good :thumbup:


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    #19150890 - 11/17/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This might be a dumb question, but how do you flush a monotub or minimono tub? All I've had experience with is pf tek. However I'm looking to bulk. Also how many of y'all dunk your grains before spawning and how long?


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    #19151123 - 11/17/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

To initiate fruiting is the same with bulk as it is with brf cakes, just introduce fruiting conditions :shrug: I am a big fan of dunking grains before spawning, usually just dunk them for 5-10 min. Really speeds up the spawn run IMO.


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To initiate fruiting is the same with bulk as it is with brf cakes, just introduce fruiting conditions :shrug: I am a big fan of dunking grains before spawning, usually just dunk them for 5-10 min. Really speeds up the spawn run IMO.




Okay, but after the first spawn run, how do you flush the spawn for the second run? Do you rehydrate by filling the tub with water?


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This might be a dumb question, but how do you flush a monotub or minimono tub? All I've had experience with is pf tek. However I'm looking to bulk. Also how many of y'all dunk your grains before spawning and how long?




I pretend these are big PF cakes. I put them in a SGFC the FC is fruiting chamber and that's got the conditions (FAE and RH) to promote pinning. Evaporation of the substrate(cake or these bricks or surface of a monotub) is the big pinning trigger, this happens in a FC and not during colonization.

I dunked my grains before spawning the two tubs in the last picture I posted. The first tub that started this thread was not made with dunked grains. I didn't see an advantage but Frankhorrigan does usually see one. I will continue to dunk my grains regardless because it's a harmless step with potential benefits.
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To initiate fruiting is the same with bulk as it is with brf cakes, just introduce fruiting conditions :shrug: I am a big fan of dunking grains before spawning, usually just dunk them for 5-10 min. Really speeds up the spawn run IMO.




Okay, but after the first spawn run, how do you flush the spawn for the second run? Do you rehydrate by filling the tub with water?




Spawn run is what most people refer to as actually making spawn to inoculate IE pressure cooking hydrated grains. So you're not flushing spawn you're waiting for your bulk substrate(or pf cake) to make the next set of mushrooms after you harvest the first set. Each of those sets is a flush. Sometimes the second flush and first flush blend together and are not very distinctive as separate flushes, that's ok, you just need the experience of seeing multiple grows. The second flush will happen by itself but misting and fanning are what I do with these bulk bricks that I put in the SGFC The mist keeps them hydrated for the next flush. I have found no advantage to dunking the whole brick (like you would with a cake) I get about 2-3 flushes from these before they're done.


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    #19208001 - 11/30/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well that tub I was planing on doing of creeper contamed before the first flush. Thought my spawn was good but I guess not, Since I properly pasteurized. Didn't smell bad at all but the tub was not even 50% after two weeks so I flushed it. At least I have some dishes with cultures from that still.

The AA+ one did just fine. Here's some pics.


Lot's of knots forming on the plastic, It will be interesting to see what they do. Lot's of nice clusters too.


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    #19209066 - 11/30/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

awesome!  so that tray is in the SGFC?  how long from introducing to FC would you say u saw first pins?  or did u let it get a pin or two and then introduce it?  I know there are 2 sides on what should be done...just asking what ur method is...?  waiting for my PR's to pin now.


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    #19210720 - 11/30/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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awesome!  so that tray is in the SGFC?  how long from introducing to FC would you say u saw first pins?  or did u let it get a pin or two and then introduce it?  I know there are 2 sides on what should be done...just asking what ur method is...?  waiting for my PR's to pin now.




Colonization took about 10 days with the lid on. I took the lid off and put the whole thing in the SGFC saw knots in about 2 days pins soon after 3-4 days or so.


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    #19213093 - 12/01/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

cool. do u personally have something u look for to signify complete colonization?  like do u wait till top of our is done, or a little more, or till sub is starting to pull away, etc?  I guess I'm asking if u treat these more like a cake or a mono...?


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cool. do u personally have something u look for to signify complete colonization?  like do u wait till top of our is done, or a little more, or till sub is starting to pull away, etc?  I guess I'm asking if u treat these more like a cake or a mono...?




The top being 100% also the tub being clear helps so I can also use the bottom and sides to judge.


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    #19221968 - 12/03/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



Am I crazy or did those shrooms not make any spores. This is AA+ so it's not a true albino.


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    #19221984 - 12/03/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

IME I find that I often will not see good spore production until the second or third flush, even with a monoculture. Not sure why that is but it has happened to me a few times now.


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IME I find that I often will not see good spore production until the second or third flush, even with a monoculture. Not sure why that is but it has happened to me a few times now.




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    #19279830 - 12/15/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



this one is ten days in. :sad: going pretty slow


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    #19329974 - 12/26/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



These are creeper. I only PCed the rye for 60M on this one and the jars that were used to make these tubs had some bacterial infection going on. Threw it into some sterilized coir and still ended up with this.

Both of these tubs yielded 3/4 oz dry off this first flush, not to sure if I'll even get a second flush. Quite a lot of side pins on these.

I don't reccomend cutting corners and using shit procedure. Such as cutting time on PC cycles, using anything contaminated, and then sterilizing coir. I get an ounce first flush usually when I do things the right way and then some flushes after that so it's not really worth it to cut corners.

I only posted this because people don't like to post their failures or contamination usually, but we all(most of us) get them from time to time.

Splotchy colonization which took about 20 days from spawning to get to as colonized as it was going to get. There were premature pins and most of the fruits are quite small as you can see.

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    #19330058 - 12/26/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i bet if you gave those a rest for a week your second flush comes in fine:shocked:


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i bet if you gave those a rest for a week your second flush comes in fine:shocked:




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    #19330107 - 12/26/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no just cut back on the misting to a couple times a day or increase your fae and don't dunk them for a few days
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no just cut back on the misting to a couple times a day or increase your fae and don't dunk them for a few days
the main problem with bacteria in spawn is it usually leads to molds but if yours didn't your sub can usually deal with it itself




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bodhi...those bacteria jars..did they get to 100% or did u spawn earlier just as an experiment?

when u get an ounce on first flush when doing things right, what spawn sub ratio is that? 1 qt spawn or more?  just curious to compare, cause if its one qt spawn to one qt sub thats great! compared to me at least. I've done several mini bucket mono esque grows with that ratio (1:1) and never hit an ounce, just really close to it, like 24g's on first flush.  2nd flush runs strong though at 20g though (all dry weight)

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    #19336842 - 12/28/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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These are creeper. I only PCed the rye for 60M on this one and the jars that were used to make these tubs had some bacterial infection going on. Threw it into some sterilized coir and still ended up with this.

Both of these tubs yielded 3/4 oz dry off this first flush, not to sure if I'll even get a second flush. Quite a lot of side pins on these.

I don't reccomend cutting corners and using shit procedure. Such as cutting time on PC cycles, using anything contaminated, and then sterilizing coir. I get an ounce first flush usually when I do things the right way and then some flushes after that so it's not really worth it to cut corners.

I only posted this because people don't like to post their failures or contamination usually, but we all(most of us) get them from time to time.

Splotchy colonization which took about 20 days from spawning to get to as colonized as it was going to get. There were premature pins and most of the fruits are quite small as you can see.

These jars smelled very similar to bleu cheese when spawned. The bricks smell like mycelium now.




damn, that looks great. why didn't you take them out of the shoe boxes?


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    #19341693 - 12/29/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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bodhi...those bacteria jars..did they get to 100% or did u spawn earlier just as an experiment?




they got to 100

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when u get an ounce on first flush when doing things right, what spawn sub ratio is that? 1 qt spawn or more?  just curious to compare, cause if its one qt spawn to one qt sub thats great! compared to me at least. I've done several mini bucket mono esque grows with that ratio (1:1) and never hit an ounce, just really close to it, like 24g's on first flush.  2nd flush runs strong though at 20g though (all dry weight)




1 to 1 usually
sometimes 2 to 1 but the first flush is still always around 28-35G


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just started casing (50/50 +hydrated lime) those buckets, same ratio, and pin set better, so I'm hoping to pull an o first flush.




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    #19350159 - 12/31/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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    #19350715 - 12/31/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

how did that tray of straight cased grains go?


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    #19350738 - 12/31/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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how did that tray of straight cased grains go?



so far so good.
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    #19358806 - 01/02/14 02:22 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)









Here's two tubs. One in fruiting conditions(SGFC) outside of the tub on a piece of foil. And some interesting upside down shrooms.

The other tub was left in the tub and on a shelf. It was misted way way way more often since it wasn't in a fruiting chamber.

I got 391grams off the one on the shelf and 464grams off of the one in the SGFC. For a grand total of 855 grams. I'll let you know what the dry weight ends up being.

These particular tubs were 2 (hydrated ala Frank's tek) quarts spawn and nearly 2 quarts coir(properly pasteurized)


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    #19358825 - 01/02/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

nice dude!
what is franks method of hydration?
did the one not in an fc have a cover at all during pin formation?


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    #19358836 - 01/02/14 02:28 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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nice dude!
what is franks method of hydration?
did the one not in an fc have a cover at all during pin formation?




the grain dunk thing. Soaking grains before spawn in some water.

It had a loose cover for pins then completely off once the pins were a little less than a centimeter high.


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    #19358876 - 01/02/14 02:38 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

oh duh, thought u mean he had a way of dunking entire tubs.
so 1:1 ratio on both, just using coir no verm?
i keep forgetting to try that.
just made 4 buckets, all 1qt spawn to 1qt coir/verm
2 of the buckets have 1 tablespoon leeched dehydrated chx manure added to the substrate before pasteurizing.  I'm thinking of hoping on ur SGFC for coir cakes train, just need a really big one for these four or two regular sized ones.


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    #19359416 - 01/02/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

It's coir+verm.

one brick of coir + 4.5 quarts of water + 1-1.5 quarts of verm
Yields ~6-7 quarts

Or the 1/3 recipe
~215 grams of coir + 1.5 quarts of water + 0.5 quarts of verm
Yields about 2-3 quarts

I usually throw gypsum in but I ran out, I haven't noticed any increase or decrease in vigor with or without it but I don't have true isolates the cultures I have been using were clone tissue and then a few transfers after that, so very very limited genetics but still not quite an isolate.

I'm working on getting some isolates now. I have AA+ Creeper and was just sent some APE spores that are all on dishes now. I made most dishes on the 22nd but only one(creeper) has shown germination yet. Hopefully I can get some isolates out of them and keep going

And yea these coir cakes take up a lot of room, I can fit 3 in my SGFC and they have about an 1/2" of space on all 4 sides from the walls or the other cakes. This makes all the side pins get tangled up and really hard to get the cakes out of the SGFC but it's not impossible.

I had 5 going at once(one of them is the cased straight grains) so the cased grains and one of the cakes were fruited without a fruiting chamber and they're both doing well just needing a lot of misting is all.


these fat fruits are taking forever to dry. It's been 6 hours since I started my dehydrator which is reading about 150ºF and they're still quite bendy.


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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19359562 - 01/02/14 04:49 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

cool.  good news about being able to fit 3 in with 1/2" space btw!
how did u do the one outside the FC that was not cased same as the cased one...just more misting? ill take some pics after i walk my dog to show u what I'm working with and see what ur suggestions r because mine r more circular/cylindrical because of the container i spawn in.


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    #19359602 - 01/02/14 04:55 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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cool.  good news about being able to fit 3 in with 1/2" space btw!
how did u do the one outside the FC that was not cased same as the cased one...just more misting? ill take some pics after i walk my dog to show u what I'm working with and see what ur suggestions r because mine r more circular/cylindrical because of the container i spawn in.




Yea the same for both of them. I put the lid on ajar until I got some pins then took the lid completely off and just misted it like every single hour or so.


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    #19359870 - 01/02/14 05:43 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

do u work from home to be able to mist that much?

anyways...heres what i got going on and wanted ur input...
so i work overnight at a convienant store mainly in the deli.  we get is pre made tuna and chicken salad in 5 lbs containers (they are PP5 too!)  they have air tight lids, and they are free, so i take them home a lot.  i keep dried grains in them, moist coir, lids rings, etc, and i spawn in them and use them to pasteurize.  up to now, they have been used as a FC too with limited luck (still trying to get hole configuration down for optimal RH and FAE, i always get fruits, but not best pin set)  here is one fruiting now, it was cased:



this is from the side, on the top is a larger tupperware with holes to keep in humidity and let the shrooms grow beyond the lid of the initial container:



after the first flush, there are a lot of side pins, so i just recently started treating them as cakes from ur idea, but instead of an SGFC, i just used an unmodified 5 gallon bucket (also free, the chinese food place i live above put them out on trash night, they are used for soy sauce and tofu, u guys should try to score some from ur local chinese food store, they are free!!)  there is no lid, so i put an oven bag on top and just clothe pinned them on to allow for a bit of FAE, there is a cool mist sitting below them, blowing in some air.  i still fan and mist several times a day, and there is 3 inches of perlite at bottom:





so, like i said, those 5 gal buckets are used as my second flush FC because side pins (i now use a liner, so hopefully it will not be needed)

now what i have are these, and i wanted to fruit them like u do bodhi, meaning after 100% treat them as cakes, and put them in a regular SGFC.  they are about 2.5" tall and 6" wide



all of them 1 qt spawn to 1 qt coir/verm  with 2 containing 1 tablespoon leeched, dried chicken poo as an experiment.

i like doing full monos (56 qt-66qt containers) but i only have 2 of them, plus these buckets are free and PP5 and useful for testing cultures and substrate on a bulk scale.

anyways, just wanted to get ur input bodhi on these coir cakes.  the unmodified bucket was a last minute thing, its not getting nearly enough FAE, and humidity mainly stays at 80% because there are no holes below the perlite, but again, they were free so i wanted to use them somehow.  I'm leaning towards ur SGFC for coir subs.


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    #19359926 - 01/02/14 05:53 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

do u work from home to be able to mist that much?

-sort of, I work with clients, so I'm gone for 2-3 hours at a time a few times a day, I do some other work too on weekends and my wife can do some misting. For the most part I'm home a lot.

As for the smaller tubs you get for free perhaps you could make them into a mini mono with holes at the substrate level and then holes in the top(or the lid) and stuff with polyfil until you get it right. You'll probably want a liner and then try to do some agar work to get some genetics that are less likely to make side pins too.

Also for the big 5 gal buckets from the china store. You could probably make those into a SGFC put holes in the bottom and top and then the side too. The reason being the perlite just sitting in the bottom doesn't do much.
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(Fresh air exchange) in a properly built SGFC this is constantly happening. The perlite is naturally cooler than the surrounding air this moves molecules closer to eachother as the lose kinetic energy. This creates low pressure which pulls air up through the bottom holes. As the air moves through the perlite it picks up humidity and keeps the chamber at or above 90%RH. This occurs naturally without the fanning and is why we like to have no fans in the room and is also why fanning after misting is not a replacement for FAE.




I suppose the smaller substrate from the smaller containers would fit in the 5 gal bucket if you made it into a SGFC(sort of). You might even be able to make the 5 gal bucket into a mini mono with tightly stuffed holes at the bottom and maybe some small 2 inch holes at the top lightly stuffed or not stuffed at all(experimentation needed) These coir bricks are big enough they can make some of their own humidity so the SGFC 5 gal bucket might be a hair less effective than turning it into a mono bucket.

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    #19359961 - 01/02/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

yea it made sense!

i tried with 2 holes at sub level (tight poly) and two holes at top (loose poly) a bunch, still not great pin set, but could have been genetic (from ms agar, 3 transfers, not an iso).  u r right that i have to still experiment with hole size.  i have done the hybrid mono hole set up but it was way too much fae, dried out the sub quickly because its not that deep.

i def wanna put holes in those buckets, but it was a spur of the moment thing, and i have no power drill.  i usually flame some wood carving tools till they red hot to make holes in any plastic container, but these are thick so i may try to borrow my dads drill or get one at thrift store.

i really wanna try grains in them because they are pp5 but they r not clear so any contam will not been seen easily.  but 5 lbs of grain in one go would b awesome!


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    #19359971 - 01/02/14 06:04 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

remember putting the holes in is one thing but you gotta get the air flow through it...need a fan:wink:


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    #19360385 - 01/02/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

for sure!
the one i did that was a hybrid mono type bucket had too much fae even without a fan, but i really think that was because the sub is not deep enough to hold the rh (only 2.5" at time of spawning, going down to 2"-2.25" as it shrinks)
the one i did with poly seemed ok in term of environment (evap around holes not too much not too little for size of container), just not the best pin set.
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    #19360406 - 01/02/14 07:40 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18277258
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    #19362746 - 01/03/14 10:30 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

855 wet ended up being 2.75oz dry or 77g dry. I also brushed off some of the ones with substrate stuck to them


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    #19395463 - 01/09/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

In my terrarium I have bubble wands n two heaters in lava rocks and I took my sgfc and flipped it upside down over my cakes with a light sitting on top... What used to be the bottom of sgfc.


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    #19395495 - 01/09/14 07:23 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Have you tried taking a regular size 5 gallon bucket filling it with rocks and water with bubbler and punch holes in the bottom of ur smaller bucket n set it on top of the rocks. U eliminate perlite it messy anyway n the water/ rocks provide great rh


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    #19395548 - 01/09/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Could I make a brf brick




i tried a qt jar of brf once, it stalled, i think its too nutritious or maybe too compact in a qt jar, but u can take one or 2 brf 1/2 pints and spawn them to coir (sry if that is what u meant initially)



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How just birth cake and cover it with coco coir alone or what. Do u break it up I roll my cakes in dry verm do you case cakes in dry coir or dry verm or do u wet


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    #19395583 - 01/09/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

my brick is on an elevated rack on a SGFC



when it was inside the 27 qt tub it looked smallish but when I transferred it to my shotgun it looks like giant ziggurat haha


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What's to pic of? Check out my post .auto mono/sgfc hybrid " it's alive... Uh..uh


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    #19395701 - 01/09/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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How just birth cake and cover it with coco coir alone or what. Do u break it up I roll my cakes in dry verm do you case cakes in dry coir or dry verm or do u wet




u can dunk for 24 hours like a cake, but after that u spawn it to pasteurized coir/verm about 70%coir/30% verm, or 80/20.  u break it up (i use ziplock bag) into pieces then mix evenly with coir/verm in a plastic/foil tray.  when 100% colonized, take it out of tray and treat it as a cake in ur SGFC.  u can also sterilize the coir/verm  search for pastywhite's thread for more info on this


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http://[url=http://files.shroomery.org/files/14-002/926587256-image.jpg][/urlCheck out my post .auto mono/sgfc hybrid " it's alive... Uh..uh


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    #19686263 - 03/12/14 03:15 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Those are 16qt  miniature monotubs




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    #19686447 - 03/12/14 04:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

sure does look like it, looks like michael J fox made it :shrug:


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    #19741927 - 03/24/14 05:06 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Bulk bricks 2.0 coming soon with some inspiration from Frankhorrigans monotubs.

I'll be using liners when I spawn to the 6 quart tubs then at full colonization applying a casing layer and taking the substrate out with the liner attached to put in the SGFC trimming back the liner. This is in hopes to prevent side pins, take up less space in the SGFC than putting the whole tub in there, and avoid setting the substrate on foil which it eats holes through.


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    #19741940 - 03/24/14 05:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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