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Stromrider
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Roflspammer]
#18864895 - 09/19/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol lots of cool stuff there tbag
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Stromrider]
#18875583 - 09/22/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The first picture is with a flash. It almost looks like its colonized with myc but it's just the moisture.
I'll let you all know how my shoebox turns out. This one is 2quarts AA+ spawn from a clone culture. The jar smelled like fresh mushrooms but a bit more sharp than other grain jars I have opened. I don't have a good way to describe what I mean by sharp but it was almost like more pungent mushroom smell. This is spawned to 2 quarts of properly pasteurized coir/verm/coffee.
I'm not making a liner hopefully side pins won't be a problem as I'm taking this out and fruiting it on foil in a SGFC like a big brick.
Damn I forgot to dunk my grains.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (09/22/13 12:08 PM)
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blthirteenre



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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18877018 - 09/22/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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looks good.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18884739 - 09/24/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Still look healthy? This is the one with spawn that smelled like fresh mushrooms but different than any other jar I have ever smelled.
I just got a dry ounce off of 10 1/4pint cakes. 2.8g average for that small of a cake not too bad.
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blthirteenre



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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#18896143 - 09/26/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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it looks exactly how it is supposed to look. i meant to tell you earlier but i wanted to share some pictues. you shouldn't take the cover off; leave it on or else it will slow down the colonization process, not to mention you are risking contamination. i know this picture is horrible, but i made this from 200 grams of coir + 1.75 quarts of water + 1 quart of vermiculite + 2 large quarts of B+ WBS.

it looks the same as yours.
here is a picture of a recent bulk cake i made from a similar recipe:

I can't say why for sure, but i have better luck with grain than i do with the pf cakes. i feel like i have more control over the contamination rates with grain than i do with pf cakes. i can usually explain the rare contaminatoin of a grain jar,meanwhile pf cakes seem to contaminate at random. there very well may be mold spore spread amongst my grow area from contaminated jars.... ANYWAY
update with pics!!
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18896224 - 09/26/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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IME taking the cover off for a second to snap a pic won't hurt nothing. Is neither a contam risk, nor will it induce pinning. If you took the cover off for a couple of hours that might be bad.
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blthirteenre



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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Pastywhyte]
#18896302 - 09/26/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: IME taking the cover off for a second to snap a pic won't hurt nothing. Is neither a contam risk, nor will it induce pinning. If you took the cover off for a couple of hours that might be bad.
yah, ur probably right. i had in mind to keep the co2 levels high but i guess it doesn't matter because the actually substate takes up the majority of the volume
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18897730 - 09/27/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Frank has a lot to say about taking the cover off of a tub ha. I guess the consensus is that it's ok to take it off to snap a pic. I already had the camera set up and in hand so the cover was off for maybe 5 seconds at most any way. And I didn't cut corners with pasteurization
 this is how it looks after 4 days and 20 hours probably ready to fruit in a couple days
I also have an AA+ cake going that was inoc with MS and on it's second flush it has one fruit growing that's not displaying leucism trait. I think I'm going to clone that and see if I cant get some regular typical colored looking AA+ to post over in strain discussion.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (09/27/13 03:12 PM)
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Midnight Cyclone
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18897805 - 09/27/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is the one with spawn that smelled like fresh mushrooms but different than any other jar I have ever smelled.
Can you try to relate it to something you've smelled before? I've had that same description of a spawn jar before to find out it is definitely contaminated. I first related the smell to "almost blue-cheesy" and after I left the jar for a while to see what happened it started to smell VERY strong like rotten apples.
Like these jars:

The quart is unhealthy (the strong apple smell) and the pint on the right is healthy (you can see the little rhyzo arms pressed to the side of the jar). Only a week ago, the quart jar was just as white and healthy looking at a glance as the pint. Not until I smelled that rank smell did I know. You can identify this by common infection by accelerated growth, the "off" smell at first which turns into an obviously wrong smell, and the white color has an off tinge to it and you can see it's more puffy and missing the rhyzo growth upon closer inspection.
I don't wanna say your tub has this bacteria... but it does exhibit signs. Just fruit as normal, and see how it goes. I'm sure there is mushroom mycelium in there so if anything you should at least get to see a first flush!
Good luck!
Btw, I've recently discovered that I can smell through the polyfill in my jar lids. Just a tip incase your lids have polyfill in them!
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bodhisatta 
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Yea I use polyfil. I can only smell through it after I shake though. The smell wasn't bleu cheese. I did have some jars that did smell like bleu cheese those got tossed right away but I made them with a MS syringe. The tub smells like fresh mushrooms now so I'm guessing it's good. My sinuses are so fucked from allergies so it's hard to say. Those jars did smell mushroom like but just more potent mushroom smell which I guess hardly makes sense. Either way the tub smells like everything else that has ever been successful so I'm hoping for some good results.
my fiance's cat is always trying to eat polyfil so the only place I can put a monotub in this small ass place looks stupid so It's going to be these shoe boxes in the SGFC for me...
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18900443 - 09/27/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since this thing is going into a SGFC would it be advisable "roll" it in verm?
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tbagtag
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18900449 - 09/27/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't. For my greenhouse I will. But with a SGFC I treat it just like cakes minus the dunk and roll.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
#18900504 - 09/27/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: I don't. For my greenhouse I will. But with a SGFC I treat it just like cakes minus the dunk and roll.
awesome, I might mess with verm down the road but I'll leave this one without. I think it's going to be ready to fruit tomorrow but I think I'll wait an extra day just in case.
Would you put the brick back into the plastic tub after the first flush and give it a dunk? or do you suggest a heavy misting.
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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18900555 - 09/27/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18840073
Here is a fc and method that I have used off and on over the last year. I am not plugging myself as much as how to make a mono-tub work for mini-monos. It works with vermiculite as well.
I finally got a chance to document a grow in a very small tray inside a larger box. Hopefully there is some insight gained.
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blthirteenre



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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18900867 - 09/27/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would you put the brick back into the plastic tub after the first flush and give it a dunk? or do you suggest a heavy misting.
i fill a 5 gallon bucket up with cold water and weigh the brick down somehow, usually with another bucket on top of it. there are probably better ways to do it. sometimes small chunks of the brick may fall off if you're not careful. i let cold water run in the 5 gallon bucket for 2-3 hours and get a huge flush shortly after.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18901715 - 09/28/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info guys.

Look ready?
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blthirteenre



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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18902133 - 09/28/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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looks good, looks ready
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Midnight Cyclone
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18910325 - 09/30/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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blthirteenre said: looks good, looks ready
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bodhisatta 
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Pics to come later. The brick is now in the SGFC and looking good. I'm surprised how solid the brick is. I mean pieces would fall off it I were not careful but it's pretty solid for coir held together with myc.
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blthirteenre



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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18915742 - 10/01/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Pics to come later. The brick is now in the SGFC and looking good. I'm surprised how solid the brick is. I mean pieces would fall off it I were not careful but it's pretty solid for coir held together with myc.
yeAH, for now it is not bad. it is very heavy and placing it in the sgfc can be annoying. once mushrooms start growing, and you start dunking it, it becomes more and more delicate. looking forward to pics.
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