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fapjack
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I really don't agree with a lot of the rules in ODD, though I understand why they are there. I have seen people post bad information in ODD or the pub that could have potentially killed someone. If people ask dosage information I will try to answer them if I know it, and if I can't I will try to find it. Harm reduction is more important to me than the rules on here.
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the mad machinest
Medicine Man



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Re: Pretty sick of mods [Re: fapjack]
#18857468 - 09/18/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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EdibleStereos
Healthy Body, Sick Mind


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Loc: South Africa
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I had a posted edited and given a warning because I said 2mg/KG of body weight has been shown in studies to eliminate opiate WD symptoms.
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UnholyChild666
I'M GOD

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this website sucks its full of rich kids.
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Everlong
King of the Neckbeards


Registered: 03/24/08
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Loc: Poconos
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UnholyChild666 said: this website sucks its full of rich kids.
Says the rich kid.
Hypocrite.
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VivaLaMushie
RIP LS :(


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Loc: Switzerland
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Re: Pretty sick of mods [Re: Everlong]
#18857634 - 09/18/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I said "stop being such a jerk ass " to a dude on a fitness forum (another website) and I was banned from visiting the forums for an entire month.
I was told if I was mean, again id be banned from the entire site.
Lol
Pussies.
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UnholyChild666
I'M GOD

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Re: Pretty sick of mods [Re: Everlong]
#18857679 - 09/18/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everlong said:
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UnholyChild666 said: this website sucks its full of rich kids.
Says the rich kid.
Hypocrite.
you like having sex with blacks it only get worse from here, how can you say I'm rich when you know i'm poor yet admitting to me beinf poor at the same time.
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Everlong
King of the Neckbeards


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UnholyChild666 said:
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Everlong said:
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UnholyChild666 said: this website sucks its full of rich kids.
Says the rich kid.
Hypocrite.
you like having sex with blacks it only get worse from here, how can you say I'm rich when you know i'm poor yet admitting to me beinf poor at the same time.
What's wrong with having sex with blacks?
I can say you are rich because I know you are rich, you aren't fooling anyone with your charade.
It must be nice to be so rich.
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UnholyChild666
I'M GOD

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Re: Pretty sick of mods [Re: Everlong]
#18857736 - 09/18/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everlong said:
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UnholyChild666 said:
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Everlong said:
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UnholyChild666 said: this website sucks its full of rich kids.
Says the rich kid.
Hypocrite.
you like having sex with blacks it only get worse from here, how can you say I'm rich when you know i'm poor yet admitting to me beinf poor at the same time.
What's wrong with having sex with blacks?
I can say you are rich because I know you are rich, you aren't fooling anyone with your charade.
It must be nice to be so rich.
It's illegal to have sex with apes, I'm God pussy Fuck off I rape I murder.
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Psilosopherr
A psilly goose



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CidneyIndole said:
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Shroomism said: Don't you get a PM of the infraction?
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Subject: "Re: We can't get dosage info on non lethal things?"
Quote: rbalzer said:
Quote: fee said: You can OD on suboxone
Oh, I was afraid of that. I'm having trouble finding that information..
sometimes i'm deficient at internet use as far as finding things.
Do you know what the lethal dose of suboxone is? is there anything else i should know about suboxone and its safe use?
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Date Ref User Moderator Type Reason Notes Action 08/30/13 11:01 AM 18775725 rbalzer johnm214 Other (3 points) 3 points I warned you once previously about dosage advice for drugs in the pub, especially potentially fatal drugs like buprenorphine. As you've repeated this violation a second time, asking what a fatal dose is, I'm imposing a ban.
Please observe the rules in the future. Thanks.
Seems pretty clear to me. P.S - http://www.erowid.org/
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Shroomism said: it's annoying because people die
Actually, I 100% disagree with John's moderator action here. And I somewhat disagree with shroomism's point as well. That one is a somewhat separate issue, though, which I'll get back to in a minute.
My real beef with this, is that I think John was WRONG to call this dosage advice!!!
Take a look at the question again. "Do you know what the lethal dose of suboxone is" (with an additional question about safety.)
This is not the same as saying "How much of this stuff should I take?" (aka advice)
This is nearly the same as saying "What is the LD50 for suboxone?" (aka request for scientific data)
And LD50 is scientific data which we ARE allowed to discuss.
I have seen discussions about LD50 in which moderators took part. And I don't think it's right that OP should be punished, simply because he doesn't know the correct terminology and John decided to interpret the question in a completely illogical manner.
That being said-- you can't always extrapolate human LD50 from animal data, as the numbers are sometimes quite different.... but I really don't trust the given LD50 for rats as applied to humans, as it seems way too high. I'm also seeing a huge discrepancy between two different sources, and with a quick read, I could not spot why this might be. For IV buprenorphine, I'm getting numbers ranging from 120 mg/kg (way high) to 26 mg/kg (more reasonable, but still way higher than I would expect)
http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/content/65/1/107.long
http://www.old.health.gov.il/units/pharmacy/trufot/alonim/702.pdf
Anyway, since he was clearly asking for a "lethal dosage" (scientific data) and not "recreational dosage" I very much disagree that this should be considered dosage advice and I think it is wrong that he was given an infraction for this.

The only way I could see his asking about the "lethal dose" as "dosage advice" is if he made a thread that same day titled "Suicidally depressed-- looking for a way out." Then, it wouldn't be a massive logical leap to call a question about lethal dosage "looking for dosage advice." 
Regarding dosage advice in general, I think that responsible, accurate dosage advice by experienced members could be helpful, and in some situations even potentially save lives. It would be better than a noob just guessing, or perhaps misinterpreting erowid's data. For example, thinking they (as an opiate naive person) really want to get a feel for what this oxycodone stuff is all about, so maybe it's best to go with erowid's "heavy" dosage....
That being said, IMHO that is a separate issue, and I think John was wrong to consider this a request for dosage advice. It was clearly not. Even if you argue that he was asking to get a better idea of dosage, that is still not the same as dosage advice. Learning the maximum you might be able to take (or feed a rat) without death occurring is not sufficient data upon which to base a proper, safe, recreational dosage. Even the most retarded noob in the history of the shroomery should be able to grasp that.
I really don't know what the hell John was thinking on this one. But if I were OP, I'd have been pissed about it, too.
Makes me feel alot less crazy/biased that someone finally sided with me.
If the mod had simply said "edit your question out," I would have done it. Handing out a 3 day ban for asking a question (was trying to make it a ? within the rules too!!!) with no chance for me to right the wrong, just wasn't cool.
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fee
Im he who is the


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The mods here kick ass.
If people dont like the mods then why the hell do they keep coming back?
If I go to a town and the cops are constantly harassing me, I don't stay there and Bitch to everyone in town and keep getting harassed. I grab all my shit and get the fuck out of town.
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Psilosopherr
A psilly goose



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Re: Pretty sick of mods [Re: fee]
#18857780 - 09/18/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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fee said: The mods here kick ass.
If people dont like the mods then why the hell do they keep coming back?
If I go to a town and the cops are constantly harassing me, I don't stay there and Bitch to everyone in town and keep getting harassed. I grab all my shit and get the fuck out of town.
The cops in this town do harass me whenever they get a chance. This doesn't mean I'm gonna leave my home town on a whim. (who wants to do all the work associated with moving just because of cops? they're gonnna be dicks in the new town anyway )
I keep coming back here because this is my favorite internet community I've ever found. I love you guys, but the mods not so much. Its like loving the comfort of america, but hating the ignorant state of its government.
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The5thElement
Smile Friends :)



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Unholychild quit saying racist shit.
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Burke Dennings
baby merchant

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Re: Pretty sick of mods [Re: fapjack] 1
#18857853 - 09/18/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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fapjack said: Its like getting mad at a ref in a football game. The rules are the thing that is kind of retarded, but without them this place would be like OTD. Who the fuck wants to post in OTD except for alcoholics that beat their children for not taking out the trash.

You should give OTD a chance, some of the most friendly people on the site post there.
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the mad machinest
Medicine Man



Registered: 04/18/13
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Burke Dennings said:
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fapjack said: Its like getting mad at a ref in a football game. The rules are the thing that is kind of retarded, but without them this place would be like OTD. Who the fuck wants to post in OTD except for alcoholics that beat their children for not taking out the trash.

You should give OTD a chance, some of the most friendly people on the site post there.
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luvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?


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CidneyIndole said: That being said, IMHO that is a separate issue, and I think John was wrong to consider this a request for dosage advice. It was clearly not. Even if you argue that he was asking to get a better idea of dosage, that is still not the same as dosage advice. Learning the maximum you might be able to take (or feed a rat) without death occurring is not sufficient data upon which to base a proper, safe, recreational dosage. Even the most retarded noob in the history of the shroomery should be able to grasp that.
I really don't know what the hell John was thinking on this one. But if I were OP, I'd have been pissed about it, too.
And if someone had posted that the maximum was 2 grams of whatever, when it's really 1 gram of whatever?
Or perhaps 2 grams max would be good advice for most, but not for the OP.
He asked for dosage advice. John was correct in his action.
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Burke Dennings
baby merchant

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No joke man. You just have to get to know people there, everyone is pretty nice.
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the mad machinest
Medicine Man



Registered: 04/18/13
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Loc: parallel universe #420
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Burke Dennings said: No joke man. You just have to get to know people there, everyone is pretty nice.
yeah been there dun that. schwas not fun. it's like that is the dungeon where all the trolls live and fuck and shit and eat..
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fapjack
Title



Registered: 07/26/07
Posts: 16,574
Loc: Central New Jersey
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the mad machinest said:
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Burke Dennings said:
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fapjack said: Its like getting mad at a ref in a football game. The rules are the thing that is kind of retarded, but without them this place would be like OTD. Who the fuck wants to post in OTD except for alcoholics that beat their children for not taking out the trash.

You should give OTD a chance, some of the most friendly people on the site post there.

I used to post there, my favorite posters are dead or left, and everyone else has me on ignore. Any new members try and join in on the conversation they generally get a 0 rating and get ignored. There is no possible way that forum can get good as it loses members over the years but refuses to give anyone new a chance. Its like Japan's aging population, but with more perverts and less robots.
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psi
TOAST N' JAM


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UnholyChild666 said:
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Everlong said:
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UnholyChild666 said: this website sucks its full of rich kids.
Says the rich kid.
Hypocrite.
you like having sex with blacks it only get worse from here, how can you say I'm rich when you know i'm poor yet admitting to me beinf poor at the same time.
You're not fooling anyone dude, everyone knows that real poor people can't afford to internet.
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