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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
#18857563 - 09/18/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everlong said: My comment had nothing to do with understanding "what it's like to be a person of a different race." I simply commented on the fact that the author of the poem felt the need to mention Trayvon Martin as some sort of innocent child who was hunted down. It's a load of bullshit and discredits the work.
The fact that you think that that one line mention of a name discredits the work shows how little you understand of the black community's perspective on that event, and how little you understood of the larger point of the piece.
I understand their perspective perfectly. It is based in a culture of grievance and lies, especially about what a punk Trayvon was.Quote:
It's not about how much fear they should feel. It's in a way saying that much of the problems are caused by that fear.
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RiderOnTheStorm said: You come in here criticizing everyone for not talking about solutions, yet you offer none of your own.
I explained my point. The first step to a solution is admitting there's a problem. I think it would go a long way if we changed the perception that 'this is just the way it is'.
I don't think you understand what the problem is. It is NOT systemic or personal Caucasian racism against Negroes.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#18857566 - 09/18/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Zappa - you deserve +5
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#18857574 - 09/18/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#18857576 - 09/18/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I always do.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#18857580 - 09/18/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Apparently I already +5'd you. So pretend its a +10
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: twighead]
#18857582 - 09/18/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay, then tell me what the poem is about.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: JoieDeVivre]
#18857599 - 09/18/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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RiderOnTheStorm said: Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.
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Unfounded nonsense. Welfare is what allowed my mom to start her own business rather than working minimum wage jobs to pay for our food. Welfare is what allowed me to focus on schoolwork and go to college rather than working at a young age and failing out of school. Welfare helps MANY people improve themselves because it frees up time and mental resources that would otherwise go towards basic survival. You're buying into the totally false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people - and there are shitty people who abuse EVERY possible humanitarian effort so it doesn't make sense to say we shouldn't help people because one or two people out of a sample size abuse the help.
"false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people'
Is that what they are teaching in your classrooms today? Ask for a refund, you have been ripped off.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
#18857604 - 09/18/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: Okay, then tell me what the poem is about.
It's a whine.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
#18857605 - 09/18/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: Okay, then tell me what the poem is about.
The poem is about how young black males are treated in American society as problems instead of people.
"We both know too many Black boys who disappeared. Names lost. Know too many Trayvon Martins
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and tell him to be strong when we both know black boys are murdered every day, simply for standing up for themselves?"
So yes, the entire poem is discredited by suggesting Trayvon was just "standing up for himself" when he attacked a person for simply following him.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Everlong]
#18857610 - 09/18/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Almost all young Negro males murdered are murdered by other Negro males
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18857629 - 09/18/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Almost all young Negro males murdered are murdered by other Negro males
Many on this site don't even know this fact, somehow this information has remained a secret for this generation, this is what "political correctness" produces.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Everlong]
#18857642 - 09/18/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It's a whine.
So children growing up living in fear is something they should shut up about and just deal with?
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Everlong said: The poem is about how young black males are treated in American society as problems instead of people. ... So yes, the entire poem is discredited by suggesting Trayvon was just "standing up for himself" when he attacked a person for simply following him.
Points for using examples, but I think you're seriously limiting your understanding of the piece by getting hung up on Trayvon. It is about much more than that.
Can we at least agree that, real or not, the feeling that black youth are being persecuted by authority is a problem?
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
#18857691 - 09/18/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not when the black youth are committing more crimes, no. It goes with the territory. Young black culture promotes breaking the law openly and it glorifies doing time and not giving a fuck.
When I grew up fear of the cops was a healthy thing that prevented us from making stupid decisions, or at least it drove us to be more discrete about them. When I pass cops on the road, I sit up a bit straighter and turn my music down a bit if I'm in the city. Where's my fucking poem?
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
#18857717 - 09/18/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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...and in no time at all a thread starting with an evocative poem slides downward to become a festering cesspool of messageboard scat.
it seems like anything goes when there's black people involved in the forum topic. Throw mention of black people in the mix and the victim is attacked, white people angrily state what black people should think and do and, on a board hit hard by the War On Drugs, the police and the criminal justice system is defended as fair and just.
What a mess.
A poem was posted about existing problems in the black community and as a result the black race itself is under unrelenting attack in this topic, there's no getting around that. What an ungodly mess, the public response strongly underlines to how big the problem is, even here.
Lynnch I like how you think, keep the spirit.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
#18857742 - 09/18/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If only we could all just feel like the guy in the bottom right hand corner.....
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
#18857746 - 09/18/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It's a whine.
So children growing up living in fear is something they should shut up about and just deal with?
And where did that child learn to fear the PoPo? From his culture of criminals. There is a good reason why Negro males are viewed with suspicion and it is because of their behavior, not the police's.Quote:
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Everlong said: The poem is about how young black males are treated in American society as problems instead of people. ... So yes, the entire poem is discredited by suggesting Trayvon was just "standing up for himself" when he attacked a person for simply following him.
Points for using examples, but I think you're seriously limiting your understanding of the piece by getting hung up on Trayvon. It is about much more than that.
Can we at least agree that, real or not, the feeling that black youth are being persecuted by authority is a problem?
The feeling is the problem, not the persecution which is a fiction perpetuated by race baiting pimps like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson Jr and Barack Hussein Obama. By the way, it is only male Negro youth who are "persecuted".
Here was something in Times today, not particularly about race but it's there, which I disagree with almost in its entirety except that it exposes a revealing fact that runs counter to the argument being made. Or rather doesn't expose but glosses over.
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And SNAP benefits not only reduce food insecurity and poverty this year; they also reduce poverty in the next generation. Recent research that tracked children into adulthood found that families’ access to food stamps improved their infants’ health and birth weight. Children who benefited from the program later posted better health, higher educational attainment, less heart disease and, for women, greater earnings and less reliance on welfare as adults.
Note that the benefits do not extend to male children into adulthood. You don't suppose that has anything to do with growing up without a father, do you? Girls can thrive without fathers but boys cannot. And who makes that decision disproportionately?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/29/don-lemon/cnns-don-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
#18857752 - 09/18/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't know you could tell somebody was poor with out asking must be like how I know you're all rich kids.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante] 2
#18857754 - 09/18/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, wouldn't it qualify as insane for you to think that your 500th post about racial conflict in America, a topic you clearly have no firsthand knowledge of, would suddenly convince everyone to accept the white guilt that you push?
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante] 4
#18857777 - 09/18/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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...and in no time at all a thread starting with an evocative poem slides downward to become a festering cesspool of messageboard scat.
You don't like the conversation so it is shitty? 
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it seems like anything goes when there's black people involved in the forum topic.
Anything goes, huh? The thread doesn't seem to be breaking any pub rules. Especially considering you are the white guilt admin, you would jump to ban in a millisecond if someone broke the pub rules in this thread.
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Throw mention of black people in the mix and the victim is attacked,
Who is the victim and who's post are you referring to?
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white people angrily state what black people should think and do
Just because I'm white my opinion doesn't matter? Black people tell white society what to do all the time. A different perspective doesn't hurt.
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and, on a board hit hard by the War On Drugs, the police and the criminal justice system is defended as fair and just.
Where did you read that?
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#18857794 - 09/18/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm rolling my eyes at Wiccans comment.
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