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Re: DMT lecture from Breaking Convention 2013 [Re: Hashfinger]
    #18865314 - 09/19/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have a lot I need to work on in this world before I dive into others.

Still need to get better with lucid dreaming, and maybe explore astral projection... And then I can explore further. But all of these things seem to be related, I want to get the most out of it I can, while still keeping my brain in tact lol.



I think your views might be a little skewed or biased... What do you think the point of using psychedelics should be? As far as I know they are some of the best teachers about this reality, however separate they might be from it. I don't know what you refer to when you say you want to keep your brain in tact... DMT is not going to break your brain. Lol.




The point of psychedelics? I'm sure there are endless reasons for the use of psychedelics, but the reason I want to wait is because I want to be better with the tools of lucid dreaming and astral projection first. Astral projection has been said to be the spirit world. Lucid dreaming is very interesting as well. Pretty trippy when you realize you are in a world created by your own mind. And you can enter different worlds through your own world too (smoking DMT while dreaming/taking LSD-or-Mushrooms).



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Re: DMT lecture from Breaking Convention 2013 [Re: Yogi1]
    #18866045 - 09/20/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I have a number of disciplines really - my first degree (to Masters) was chemical pharmacology, I have a PhD in biological chemistry and I am currently working as a postdoc in computational neuroscience... but, you are right, I don't work on DMT in my regular research, this is just in my spare time...


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Re: DMT lecture from Breaking Convention 2013 [Re: SomeGuyX]
    #18867023 - 09/20/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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SomeGuyX said:
I have a lot I need to work on in this world before I dive into others.

Still need to get better with lucid dreaming, and maybe explore astral projection... And then I can explore further. But all of these things seem to be related, I want to get the most out of it I can, while still keeping my brain in tact lol.



I think your views might be a little skewed or biased... What do you think the point of using psychedelics should be? As far as I know they are some of the best teachers about this reality, however separate they might be from it. I don't know what you refer to when you say you want to keep your brain in tact... DMT is not going to break your brain. Lol.




The point of psychedelics? I'm sure there are endless reasons for the use of psychedelics, but the reason I want to wait is because I want to be better with the tools of lucid dreaming and astral projection first. Astral projection has been said to be the spirit world. Lucid dreaming is very interesting as well. Pretty trippy when you realize you are in a world created by your own mind. And you can enter different worlds through your own world too (smoking DMT while dreaming/taking LSD-or-Mushrooms).



i until I have better tools with lucid dreaming and astral projection



Yeah but talking about serious astral projection and lucid dreaming without the standard to back them against (psychedelics) is like trying to understand calculus without even knowing basic trigonometry. It loops back around though.  I mean, it took me doing acid mushrooms and dmt before I realized some of the things I was touching on I used to "see" or experience as a small child. I know there are many ways to build these alternate realities outside of psychedelics, but in all honesty, if you were going to build a house, would you use hand tools or power tools? We have entered a time period where we actually have the ability to synthesize raw DMT and check these things out with scientific scrutiny. I feel one could spend a lifetime (like tibetan monks do) unraveling the secrets by hand, but when you look back, it might have been easier to just take some acid.


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Re: DMT lecture from Breaking Convention 2013 [Re: Hashfinger]
    #18868451 - 09/20/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You're talking as if I have never used any psychedelics. I have. This isn't even my point man.

Lucid dreaming isn't very hard to do. All you need to be able to do is have vivid dreams, and know how to do reality checks. It's taken me a few months (probably longer lol), but I have progressed a lot. I have not attempted astral projection that often, but I will adjust my schedule for early morning attempts.

It isn't "taking a lifetime", I have discovered all of this at a pretty young age actually, and I am pretty thankful for my curious little mind and the time I have left to explore this reality and MORE.

Each person has their own pace, preferences, etc. If it makes my mind feel more at ease when I have abilities that all tie in/connect with alternate dimensions/realities,  then that's that!

Besides, I never started out with a power tools when I was younger anyways. I started with a screw driver :wink:

:jah:Sorry if I'm rambling, had a smoke and deep conversations with my new good friend.


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Re: DMT lecture from Breaking Convention 2013 [Re: SomeGuyX]
    #18874695 - 09/22/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OP is bringing concepts conceived by many involved in psychedelics (that the hyper-spacial realms exist independently) and presenting them in a formal way to the scientific community. The guy is very much qualified to do this.
In response to what you're saying about occult and divinatory practises... It's my opinion that projection/scrying/channelling are tools left behind by our ancestors that we have no idea how to use, psychedelics are the key to activating these practises.


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Re: DMT lecture from Breaking Convention 2013 [Re: Sketch Turner]
    #18875216 - 09/22/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Cursed Realms said:
OP is bringing concepts conceived by many involved in psychedelics (that the hyper-spacial realms exist independently) and presenting them in a formal way to the scientific community. The guy is very much qualified to do this.
In response to what you're saying about occult and divinatory practises... It's my opinion that projection/scrying/channelling are tools left behind by our ancestors that we have no idea how to use, psychedelics are the key to activating these practises.



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Re: DMT lecture from Breaking Convention 2013 [Re: laughingcat]
    #18875340 - 09/22/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Great presentation!  Like poster above said, you are putting the pieces to the puzzle together much quicker than us (community) as a whole is done with our "coloring" of the experiences that are written.  Please post your paper for us to see when it is finished :smile: or even before :wink:

and there are a lot of similarities with lucid dreaming and dmt, but we still cannot access the dmt "experience" through lucid dreams, they only help to let us see any and all possibilities within this perceived reality. (and it can be bizarre) :sun:


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Re: DMT lecture from Breaking Convention 2013 [Re: j_db69]
    #18876406 - 09/22/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Great presentation!  Like poster above said, you are putting the pieces to the puzzle together much quicker than us (community) as a whole is done with our "coloring" of the experiences that are written.  Please post your paper for us to see when it is finished :smile: or even before :wink:

and there are a lot of similarities with lucid dreaming and dmt, but we still cannot access the dmt "experience" through lucid dreams, they only help to let us see any and all possibilities within this perceived reality. (and it can be bizarre) :sun:



Also the NDE and OBE experiences. I think those should be studied way more.


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Re: DMT lecture from Breaking Convention 2013 [Re: Hashfinger]
    #18876732 - 09/22/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Also the NDE and OBE experiences. I think those should be studied way more.




The OBE are difficult to recreate, but the NDE, well, just don't get too near that you fall in lol

Anytime I hear about OBE experiences that occur with NDE, I remember an experiment that was done in an emergency room.  There was a unique object placed on top of a shelf near the patient, so that if they did indeed float above their body, they would have to see it.  All the people that said they had an OBE experience there, never seen the object.  It was just an interesting experiment I remember...

If they would at least unscheduled some of these substances, we would get MUCH further progress toward.... understanding whatever it is we are searching for.


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