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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18863025 - 09/19/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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We have learned a lot about How bad fukushima is since that article was published.




No, we haven't. By your own logic, the effects are going to play out in the long term and will be incredibly difficult to measure against the background of cancer instances. As you well know, it is impossible to identify the cause of a specific case of cancer; all you can do is make an educated guess based on contextual factors and genomics. You damn well know this, and yet, you use this flawed logic to pass off your reading of various sources as more accurate than someone who just offers a source and attaches little or no interpretation to it.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: koraks]
    #18863039 - 09/19/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Selected to according to the criteria of relevance to answering the question "how bad is Fukushima"



How did you determine to what extent each source answered that question and what the quality of the answer was?

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Organized by extracting from each article the most relevant parts and posting them in a condensed compilation.



What did you base your selection on? The appeal the quotes had on you personally?

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I actually am a professional researcher, amusingly enough. I am quite literally a professional researcher.



Then you should know what I'm talking about and be very forthcoming in acknowledging that you gave us a pretty biased account of matters and you were way too eager to pass off emotional interpretations of web journalists as facts.




I used my judgment to determine the value of the sources posted, just as I would in any other research project or research essay.

The answer to your second question is the same. I used my judgment to choose my selections. The things I found most interesting and relevant I chose to share on the assumption that others would likely feel the same.

You say I passed off emotional interpretations of web journalists as facts, but that statement is completely absurd. First, there was zero interpretation in the OP. Zero.  I intentionally put in no commentary, interpretation or any of my own words in the OP. I let the sources speak for themselves.

As any academic learns in first year methodology, there is no such thing as unbiased research or unbiased researchers. That is a simple fact, and we are taught it in school. Every research and every researcher has goals and intentions. There is nothing wrong with that, and I never pretended I was not a human being with my own values.

Furthermore the sources posted are not simply "web journalists" they include many mainstream and reputable news sources as well as many sources from academic databases.

I am not denying my selection of sources is biased, every possible selection of sources and every possible piece of writing has a bias. I am simply saying that this info is the most important, relevant and interesting. And that is my bias, to provide the information that is most important, relevant and interesting for the readers.

Again, all I did was post the sources and quotes. I left the interpretation up to the readers. You can read the same sources that I did, and come to your own conclusions.

Basically all I have done is hand you a dossier of facts, so accusing me of an agenda or bias is kind of missing the point. I have compiled information into a convenient location for the benefit of others who may share my interest in this subject.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: koraks]
    #18863048 - 09/19/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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We have learned a lot about How bad fukushima is since that article was published.




No, we haven't. By your own logic, the effects are going to play out in the long term and will be incredibly difficult to measure against the background of cancer instances. As you well know, it is impossible to identify the cause of a specific case of cancer; all you can do is make an educated guess based on contextual factors and genomics. You damn well know this, and yet, you use this flawed logic to pass off your reading of various sources as more accurate than someone who just offers a source and attaches little or no interpretation to it.




Your losing me. Yes I know how hard it is to identify the specific cause of a cancer and I specifically said that in this thread already, so I don't know why you are parroting it back to me. But we have learned a lot more about how bad Fukushima is since that article was published. The sources in the OP show this, the string of continuing leaks and problems, some of which happened literally only a few days ago, long after Enlil's source was published. Those new releases are not taken into account in the study Enlil referenced, and therefore it is out of date and no longer valid until those new releases are factored in and the study is revised.

The final thing you say is the most confusing of all:

"pass off your reading of various sources as more accurate than someone who just offers a source and attaches little or no interpretation to it"

I literally have no idea what you are trying to say.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18863070 - 09/19/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

*rips hair out*

:rant: *seethes*


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18863119 - 09/19/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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*rips hair out*

:rant: *seethes*




:lol:

Breathe deep, seek peace.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18863261 - 09/19/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yes, peace in violence!1 violent peace@!1


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Re: All The Facts On The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18864567 - 09/19/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

wow


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: koraks]
    #18864789 - 09/19/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Always when I notice a title along the lines of "all the facts about..." I can't help but wonder what agenda is being pushed this time.




:asianofapproval:
I miss koraks as mod. You were always my favourite to get a warning from.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18866033 - 09/20/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I literally have no idea what you are trying to say.



It just irks me that you tried to pass off your subjective reading of the selection that you made on your own, implicit criteria as facts. But we've gone over that many times now; I made my point.

You know what? It's alright. I don't doubt your intentions and definitely put in effort. The fact that you tend towards the subjective and that your posts on this issue come across as fear mongering to me, well, that is just a reflection of how we differ. And it's fine. Carry on, and if I feel like it, I might balance the things you say on the Fukushima thing once in a while if it appears you missed a vital piece of information.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: Enlil]
    #18866150 - 09/20/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Im scared of what really could happen with this. Its a basic reaction I have to any situation where so much info-bias exists that legitimate scientists are calculating the odds of this wiping out humanity.  That being said, Im more scared for the people their, than I am for myself. It seems pretty devastating.

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I have been winding down my work with the PD for the last 6 months...accepting no new clients and finishing off the ones I had.  All of this is in preparation for my move to California where I am planning on opening a solo practice.  I'll be moving as soon as I can sell my house.




gona just drop in and pass the Cali bar? Good luck, that shit is brutal.
Better do it before 2015 when they add CivPro to the MBE.
Start drilling secured transactions hypos now to get ahead of the fallout quarantine.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: rodfarva]
    #18866159 - 09/20/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: rodfarva]
    #18866215 - 09/20/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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gona just drop in and pass the Cali bar?



I took the Cali bar in 2011 and passed it without any issues.  I didn't find it to be a particularly hard test.  The performance tests were tedious but not difficult.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: koraks]
    #18866971 - 09/20/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I literally have no idea what you are trying to say.



It just irks me that you tried to pass off your subjective reading of the selection that you made on your own, implicit criteria as facts. But we've gone over that many times now; I made my point.






I am so baffled when you say I am trying to pass off my subjective reading of the selection as facts... I didn't make any subjective reading ! I specifically and intentionally put NONE OF MY OWN WORDS in the op!

All i did was present the facts from the primary sources, cut and pasted, with links to the articles! I quoted directly from the sources with no commentary of any kind!

I expressed no opinions in the OP, made no comments, did nothing but cut and paste the sections exactly as they appeared!

:confused:

Also, I just want to point out that as part of my week long preparation for my upcoming ayahuasca ceremony, I need to follow a mental fast from any disturbing or inharmonious mental material, and that includes Fukushima related topics and internet arguments.

So I will not be checking back on this thread until October 1st.

My hope is that those who are interested will simply read the primary sources in the OP, educate themselves and form their own opinions.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18866983 - 09/20/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

use the ignore function, or just ... stop assessing things for people. like saying "educate yourselves" as if, anyone needs to be told that; and like anyone doesn't already know what you know. you're assuming these things. it's not so bad, believe me.

but it's a consistent affair.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18867027 - 09/20/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I specifically and intentionally put NONE OF MY OWN WORDS in the op!




Why are you lying?  Are these not your words?

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The Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan is a highly complicated situation. It can be difficult to find information about it, and even harder to understand the implications. I have researched this event for years, trying to find out everything I could. In the process I accumulated this database of articles, news stories, and other information resources.

I have posted it here for the convenience of anyone who is interested. Although some of these have been posted in the megathread in C&C, they were spread out through 36 pages and far too difficult to find. So for ease of reading I have compiled them here. This thread contains no opinions of my own, just straight research and sources with citations and links.

This event continues to unfold, and as it does I will continue to update this thread, not with my own ideas or beliefs, but simply with the news and research I come across. The list of sources below is semi-chronological, so the more recent research is at the top and older stuff is at the bottom.




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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: Enlil]
    #18867281 - 09/20/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I give up. He doesn't get the concept of bias and is apparently unaware of how far the information he posted is removed from observable facts. Like I said, he means well and that's nice.


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: koraks]
    #18867311 - 09/20/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

and everyone else is the "bad guy".


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Re: The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- How bad is it, really? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18867954 - 09/20/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe he just can't admit fhat focusing his sources and information on biased accounts makes his whole objection biased.

And that earthquake had like no effect, so it must not be as bad as he has depicted.


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