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Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long?
    #18856991 - 09/18/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My PC can only fit five 1-pint jars at a time, and I'm hoping to have 10 jars total. Right now I'm soaking 10 pints of grains all together in a pot.

I was thinking I could load 5 pints into jars, PC, and let cool for a few hours, while the remaining grains continue soaking. By the time I get to the remaining grains, it will probably have been close to 28-30 hours soaking. Is that too long? Or is 24 hours just the estimated maximum soak time to still see any benefits?


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18857270 - 09/18/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Soak 4 to 24 hours, but not over, especially if the temperature is warm.  You don't want them to ferment or otherwise become rancid despite disinformation you'll read elsewhere.
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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18857302 - 09/18/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why don't you do everything at the same time? I know you'll need a couple PC cycles, but get it all in jars and everything while it waits its turn to be sterilized.


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18857427 - 09/18/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hmmm, I guess my brain has been kind of fried thinking about this because I'm trying to fit this around my work schedule. My plan was to boil + PC the first batch over my lunch break, let it cool while I'm returning to work, then come home after work and boil + PC the second batch.

But rather than letting the second half continue to soak, I think I'll boil the whole batch right now, then PC the first half while the second half waits its turn in jars for a few hours.

Thanks a ton guys!


I have a followup question: Are there potential problems with using half of a syringe to inoculate a few jars, then shelving it for a few hours and using it again later for a few more? I'm not going to be doing this, so it's not imperative that I know, but I am just curious. The reason I'm currently doing all this grain juggling is I thought it would be better to inoculate everything at once and not take that chance. Otherwise I would have done two batches of grains with two separate inoculations and then just birth them all to tubs on the same day.


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18857469 - 09/18/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I left rye grains soaking for a week once (forgot about them)

When I opened the lid I got a real sour smell, mold growing on the surface of the water, and a bunch of germinated grains.

I'll never do that again...


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18857505 - 09/18/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Soak 4 to 24 hours, but not over, especially if the temperature is warm.  You don't want them to ferment or otherwise become rancid despite disinformation you'll read elsewhere.
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They will most definitely ferment. This is how I make a sour mash for beer albeit with barley rather than rye. It smells terrible when it gets that far along.


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18859049 - 09/18/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

RR,

What's your take on fermentation? PC'ing will still sterilize and kill off all badies. So this must be from a nutrient point of view right?

Yeast being a fungus and allowing to consume grain for a couple of days doesn't great for our mushies.

Is that pretty much the idea here?


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: FunnyLight]
    #18861285 - 09/19/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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RR,

What's your take on fermentation? PC'ing will still sterilize and kill off all badies. So this must be from a nutrient point of view right?

Yeast being a fungus and allowing to consume grain for a couple of days doesn't great for our mushies.

Is that pretty much the idea here?




Think yr getting confused - this is about dunking grains which means they would be fully colonised with myc. Obviously you would not be PCing the jars again :wink::thumbup:


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: Skinty]
    #18861294 - 09/19/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Try again Skinty


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18861300 - 09/19/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Try again Skinty




Good point. Sorry, I just woke up :lol:

Thread title and content are totally contradictory :shrug::smbfacepalm:


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18861318 - 09/19/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's all good:lolsy:


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: Skinty]
    #18861376 - 09/19/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Skinty said:
Good point. Sorry, I just woke up :lol:

Thread title and content are totally contradictory :shrug::smbfacepalm:



you're right, my bad!

you have to admit that dunking and soaking are pretty much the same thing as far as English is concerned... but I have to admit that they both have very specific connotations in mushroom cultivation :lol:

I was late for work this morning but wanted to get the thread up before I left since this was time sensitive


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18861391 - 09/19/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Skinty said:
Good point. Sorry, I just woke up :lol:

Thread title and content are totally contradictory :shrug::smbfacepalm:



you're right, my bad!

you have to admit that dunking and soaking are pretty much the same thing as far as English is concerned... but I have to admit that they both have very specific connotations in mushroom cultivation :lol:

I was late for work this morning but wanted to get the thread up before I left since this was time sensitive




I think "soaking" is used with it's usual connotations in the English language in terms of it's use in cultivation whereas the use of "dunking" is sort of made up - although it makes sense :wink::thumbup:


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Re: Any issue with dunking rye grains for too long? [Re: krunkmaster]
    #18861398 - 09/19/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When the soak is over .. but you're not ready to PC .. drain / dry the grain somewhat, put in a kitchen trash bag and then into the refrigerator.  That will buy you a day or two until you're ready to fire the PC up.


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