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"Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. * 2
    #18856895 - 09/18/13 06:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a poem I found on YouTube dealing with race and law enforcement. I'm going to post it here and put it up for discussion. Lets hope good will come of it.

Guys, please keep it civil and respectful.







Performed during the semifinals of the 2013 National Poetry Slam for Da Poetry Lounge.

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Javon Johnson - Cuz He's Black


"cuz he's black & poor
he's disappeared
the name waz lost"
-Ntozake Shange


So I'm driving down the street with
my 4-year-old nephew.
He, knocking back a juice
box, me, a Snapple, today y'all
we are doing manly shit. I love
watching the way his mind works.
He asks a million questions.
Uncle, why is the sky blue?
Uncle, how do cars go?
Uncle, why don't dogs talk?
Uncle, uncle, uncle, he asks,
uncle, uncle, uncle, he asks
uncle uncle uncle
as if his voice box is
a warped record. I try my best
to answer every question, I do.
I say it's because the way
the sun lights up the outer space.
It's because engines
make the wheels go.
It's because their minds aren't
quite like ours. I say Yes.
No. No. Yes. No. Yes. No. I don't know.
Who knows? Maybe. We laugh.
He smiles at me, looks out the window,
spots a cop car, drops his seat
and says,
"Oh man, Uncle, 5-0, we gotta hide."
I'll be honest. I'm not happy
with the way we raise our Black boys.
Don't like the fact that
he learned to hide
from the cops before
he knew how to read.
Angrier that his survival
depends more on
his ability to deal
with the "authorities"
than it does his own literacy.
"Get up," I yell at him. "In this car, in this family,
we are not afraid
of the law."
I wonder if he can hear
the uncertainty in my voice.
Is today the day he learns
that uncle is willing to lie to him,
that I am more human
than hero?
We both know the truth
is far more complex than
do not hide. We both know too many
Black boys who disappeared.
Names lost.
Know too many Trayvon Martins
Oscar Grants
and Abner Louimas, know too many
Sean Bells, and Amadou Diallos
Know too well that we are
the hard-boiled sons of Emmett Till.
Still, we both know
it's not about whether or not
the shooter is racist,
it's about how poor Black boys
are treated as problems
well before we are treated as people.
Black boys in this country
cannot afford
to play cops and robbers
if we're always considered the latter,
don't have the luxury
of playing war
when we're already in one.
Where I'm from,
seeing cop cars drive
down the street feels a lot
like low-flying planes in New York
City. Where I'm from, routine traffic
stops are more like mine
fields, any wrong move
could very well mean your life.
And how do I look my nephew in his apple face
and tell him to be strong when we both know
black boys are murdered every day, simply
for standing up for themselves? I take him
by the hand, I say
be strong. I say be smart. Be kind, and polite.
Know your laws. Be aware of
how quickly your hands move
to pocket for wallet or ID,
be more aware of how quickly
the officer's hand moves to holster, for gun.
Be Black. Be a boy and have fun,
because this world will force you to
become a man much quicker
than you need to.
"Uncle," he asks, "what happens
if the cop is really mean?"
And, it scares me to
know that he, like
so many Black boys,
is getting ready for a war
I can't prepare him for.




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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante] * 3
    #18856926 - 09/18/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That was touching. That was the truth


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Patlal] * 12
    #18856933 - 09/18/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Had me until the Trayvon Martin part, then :ilold: hard. Boo hoo poor young black males who attack people shouldn't be looked at as a problem! Oh wait.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Everlong] * 9
    #18857016 - 09/18/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Shouldn't black males be in more fear of other black males than of cops?  Statistically speaking, they should fear people of their own culture much more than of law enforcement.  The poem never addressed that truth.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18857039 - 09/18/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
Shouldn't black males be in more fear of other black males than of cops?  Statistically speaking, they should fear people of their own culture much more than of law enforcement.  The poem never addressed that truth.



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18857047 - 09/18/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Shouldn't black males be in more fear of other black males than of cops?  Statistically speaking, they should fear people of their own culture much more than of law enforcement.  The poem never addressed that truth.




That. Until that truth is addressed blacks are their own worst enemies.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18857096 - 09/18/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Shouldn't black males be in more fear of other black males than of cops?  Statistically speaking, they should fear people of their own culture much more than of law enforcement.  The poem never addressed that truth.



No they should be afraid of racist whites trying to renslave them


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
    #18857103 - 09/18/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

blacks used to have slaves also, but i am sure you wouldn't know that considering you bias opinion on white people.

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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: B_BOY]
    #18857106 - 09/18/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

B_BOY said:
blacks used to have slaves also, but i am sure you wouldn't know that considering you bias opinion on white people.

:themoreyouknow:



False it was white corruption that caused this Africa was a UTOPIA before the white man came and raped the land


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
    #18857114 - 09/18/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

Guys, please keep it civil and respectful.





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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18857116 - 09/18/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
That was touching. That was the truth



Another foreigner opining on the US race situation.

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qman said:
Shouldn't black males be in more fear of other black males than of cops?  Statistically speaking, they should fear people of their own culture much more than of law enforcement.  The poem never addressed that truth.



Indeed they should.

Another far fetched aspect of that poem was that there was a Negro child with an involved father uncle.  Not exactly the most common situation.

They persist in externalizing the causes of Negro crime and poverty when they would best be served by observing what they see in the mirror.  The culture of dis and the permanent chip on the shoulder is not working out real well for them.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
    #18857131 - 09/18/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I liked it.
Thanks for posting Wiccan :heart:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #18857146 - 09/18/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

the poem was pretty good




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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

qman said:
Shouldn't black males be in more fear of other black males than of cops?  Statistically speaking, they should fear people of their own culture much more than of law enforcement.  The poem never addressed that truth.




That. Until that truth is addressed blacks are their own worst enemies.




how so? because of the "gang banger" attitude? where did they learn this? rap? media? who pays for whats shown on the screen?


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Mr.PhilCybin] * 4
    #18857152 - 09/18/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I stopped reading once I saw Trayvons name

IDK.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18857158 - 09/18/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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hidenseek1 said:
the poem was pretty good




Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

qman said:
Shouldn't black males be in more fear of other black males than of cops?  Statistically speaking, they should fear people of their own culture much more than of law enforcement.  The poem never addressed that truth.




That. Until that truth is addressed blacks are their own worst enemies.




how so? because of the "gang banger" attitude? where did they learn this? rap? media? who pays for whats shown on the screen?




So Hollywood creates the senseless violence in the black culture?  That assertion is very insulting, to imply that watching something on a screen can influence a culture into murdering their own people, what are they?  Mindless robots in your opinion?


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18857187 - 09/18/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

if you want to emulate something, youll probably want to emulate something of your own heritage, and most black people on tv are badd ass dope selling, hoe banging, money flashing guys, belonging to some sorta gang or clique




EDIT: i dont think that black people are mindless robots, but the tv is there to spread propaganda, thats what it was invented for, so i would say that most people that watch tv regularly are, me included

i dont even get how its insulting, at least more or less than any reason for a culture killing eachother,

also
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That assertion is very insulting, to imply that watching something on a screen can influence a culture into murdering their own people


i find kinda ironic, because hitler mass produced tv's to put into every pub/bar to brainwash people, again back to these things were invented to influence people watching

the only thing i find insulting is i managed to turn yet another thread into racist argument, kinda why i decided to edit this post instead of making a new post

the point i was trying to make with my original post is that the gang attitude gets alot of attention in media especially on music video channels, and its not black people who run those channels, its some rich guy, and a good way to stay rich is having poor people fighting amongst themselves






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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante] * 2
    #18857199 - 09/18/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Although the delivery made it heartfelt and alive, the speech begs the question of what oppression the speaker has felt. Also, why he is unable to prepare his young nephew for "the war" and what benefit is created by classifying it at such? Instead of enlightening him with the knowledge that law enforcements power ends when citizens are abiding within the law. Instead of instilling values on how to prepare for the inevitable situation dealing with law enforcement of any type, the speaker is focusing on popularizing the lesser of the wars African Americans face today in the US.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: SoreSpore]
    #18857203 - 09/18/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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SoreSpore said:
Although the delivery made it heartfelt and alive, the speech begs the question of what oppression the speaker has felt. Also, why he is unable to prepare his young nephew for "the war" and what benefit is created by classifying it at such? Instead of enlightening him with the knowledge that law enforcements power ends when citizens are abiding within the law. Instead of instilling values on how to prepare for the inevitable situation dealing with law enforcement of any type, the speaker is focusing on popularizing the lesser of the wars African Americans face today in the US.



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie] * 5
    #18857215 - 09/18/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Everlong, qman, luvdemshrooms, qman, Gilgamesh18, zappaisgod, VivaLaMushie said:
I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.




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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857221 - 09/18/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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Everlong, qman, luvdemshrooms, qman, Gilgamesh18, zappaisgod, VivaLaMushie said:
I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.






I'm not privileged I come from a solid middle class area


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch] * 3
    #18857223 - 09/18/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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Everlong, qman, luvdemshrooms, qman, Gilgamesh18, zappaisgod, VivaLaMushie said:
I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.






What privilege?  The only privilege I see is in the bend over backwards accommodation of another race that has by and large failed miserably and is actively involved in its own self destruction.


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    #18857225 - 09/18/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Lynnch said:
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Everlong, qman, luvdemshrooms, qman, Gilgamesh18, zappaisgod, VivaLaMushie said:
I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.






What privilege?  The only privilege I see is in the bend over backwards accommodation of another race that has by and large failed miserably and is actively involved in its own self destruction.



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18857231 - 09/18/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
Quote:

B_BOY said:
blacks used to have slaves also, but i am sure you wouldn't know that considering you bias opinion on white people.

:themoreyouknow:



False it was white corruption that caused this Africa was a UTOPIA before the white man came and raped the land



False? :lol: now i know you know how to google up some info, right? Zappaisgod has it nailed


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    #18857233 - 09/18/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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SoreSpore said:
Although the delivery made it heartfelt and alive, the speech begs the question of what oppression the speaker has felt. Also, why he is unable to prepare his young nephew for "the war" and what benefit is created by classifying it at such? Instead of enlightening him with the knowledge that law enforcements power ends when citizens are abiding within the law. Instead of instilling values on how to prepare for the inevitable situation dealing with law enforcement of any type, the speaker is focusing on popularizing the lesser of the wars African Americans face today in the US.






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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #18857236 - 09/18/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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Everlong, qman, luvdemshrooms, qman, Gilgamesh18, zappaisgod, VivaLaMushie said:
I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.







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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857238 - 09/18/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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Everlong, qman, luvdemshrooms, qman, Gilgamesh18, zappaisgod, VivaLaMushie said:
I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.







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    #18857248 - 09/18/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why would I waste my time imagining what its like to be another race? When it comes to blacks, I see it on TV, see it in my city. Its not my fault or my white parents fault that most of that race act out of control. Every race has their trouble makers, we can thank the media for always showing us what Tyrone went to jail for. Then there's the youtube videos of the riots in LA, watching them made me sick to my stomache.
You can call me racist I don't give a fuck. I'm white so I'm called racist all the fucking time.

I do not give a single shit anymore. When the blacks stop pulling the race card in every God damn situation, I will no longer be a "racist ".


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18857250 - 09/18/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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VivaLaMushie said:
Why would I waste my time imagining what its like to be another race? When it comes to blacks, I see it on TV, see it in my city. Its not my fault or my white parents fault that most of that race act out of control. Every race has their trouble makers, we can thank the media for always showing us what Tyrone went to jail for. Then there's the youtube videos of the riots in LA, watching them made me sick to my stomache.
You can call me racist I don't give a fuck. I'm white so I'm called racist all the fucking time.

I do not give a single shit anymore. When the blacks stop pulling the race card in every God damn situation, I will no longer be a "racist ".



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie] * 1
    #18857253 - 09/18/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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VivaLaMushie said:
I see it on TV,".






thats what tv wants you to think


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18857266 - 09/18/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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SoreSpore said:
Although the delivery made it heartfelt and alive, the speech begs the question of what oppression the speaker has felt. Also, why he is unable to prepare his young nephew for "the war" and what benefit is created by classifying it at such? Instead of enlightening him with the knowledge that law enforcements power ends when citizens are abiding within the law. Instead of instilling values on how to prepare for the inevitable situation dealing with law enforcement of any type, the speaker is focusing on popularizing the lesser of the wars African Americans face today in the US.









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Are you a linguist or an English scholar? Either way, you understood the point of my message but chose to attack the form rather than the substance. I can clearly see you aren't a philosophy scholar. Keep up the valiant effort! You educated one more today. 6.9 Billion more to go.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: hidenseek1] * 2
    #18857268 - 09/18/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And President fucking Obama told us all that black people get the shit end of the stick and how they "can hear people locking their car doors " when they're in the parking lot, oh boo hoo poor Trayvon Martin. What about the black guy who killed those 12 people the other day? Is Biden going to make a speech about how white people are always gunned down by blacks? NO BC THATD BE RACIST. right?


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    #18857273 - 09/18/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You educated one more today. 6.9 Billion more to go.






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    #18857289 - 09/18/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What I see is that we're barely one generation out from the time where the racists were forced, kicking and screaming, to treat people of color with equality. It's not difficult to understand that remnants of systemic racism still exist today.

But my point is that rather than saying 'Huh, maybe growing up black in this country is difficult, I wonder what we could do to help those people', you all jump straight to finding excuses to say 'Fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem.'


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    #18857290 - 09/18/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

bare with me, im kinda dumb...

life is what you make it...

for someone to wake up day after day with the thought of "going to war" then you will be in a life full of war.

instead of waking up with a positive attitude, most wake up ready to fight even if the fight isnt there.

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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18857292 - 09/18/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was being flippant, but almost my a worthwhile reply. Try again.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857299 - 09/18/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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you all jump straight to finding excuses to say 'Fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem.'



Where does anyone say that? Point retracted... :facepalm:
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VivaLaMushie said: Its a dog eat dog world.




It is noteworthy that he didn't bother to mention the more pressing issues within their community, don't you agree?


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: SoreSpore]
    #18857305 - 09/18/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you a linguist or an English scholar? Either way, you understood the point of my message but chose to attack the form rather than the substance. I can clearly see you aren't a philosophy scholar. Keep up the valiant effort! You educated one more today. 6.9 Billion more to go.



i'm not concerned about the substance of your message--this thread will take the same direction all these threads take and i'm not particularly interested in partaking in that discussion

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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857306 - 09/18/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What I see is that we're barely one generation out from the time where the racists were forced, kicking and screaming, to treat people of color with equality. It's not difficult to understand that remnants of systemic racism still exist today.

But my point is that rather than saying 'Huh, maybe growing up black in this country is difficult, I wonder what we could do to help those people', you all jump straight to finding excuses to say 'Fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem.'




Its a dog eat dog world.

I don't doubt for a minute that being black in today's society is hard. Racism will ALWAYS exist.


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    #18857348 - 09/18/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That was touching. That was the truth



Another foreigner opining on the US race situation.






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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #18857362 - 09/18/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What I see is that we're barely one generation out from the time where the racists were forced, kicking and screaming, to treat people of color with equality. It's not difficult to understand that remnants of systemic racism still exist today.




Actually it was 50 years ago and there is no systemic racism.  There is personal racism aplenty and no race is immune from it.  Tough shit.  private people have a right to be bigots.
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But my point is that rather than saying 'Huh, maybe growing up black in this country is difficult, I wonder what we could do to help those people', you all jump straight to finding excuses to say 'Fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem.'




We have been helping the fuck out of them for decades.  They have been coddled with endless affirmative action preferences.  There are enough of them that they should be able to form their own economic block without any involvement by whitey.  Whitey isn't making them have most of their children out of wedlock.  Whitey isn't making them shoot each other.  They are responsible for their condition.  I am not.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch] * 2
    #18857365 - 09/18/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Everlong, qman, luvdemshrooms, qman, Gilgamesh18, zappaisgod, VivaLaMushie said:
I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.







My comment had nothing to do with understanding "what it's like to be a person of a different race." I simply commented on the fact that the author of the poem felt the need to mention Trayvon Martin as some sort of innocent child who was hunted down. It's a load of bullshit and discredits the work.

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But my point is that rather than saying 'Huh, maybe growing up black in this country is difficult, I wonder what we could do to help those people', you all jump straight to finding excuses to say 'Fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem.'




I never said growing up black isn't difficult. It just so happens that I don't care about black boys who assault someone and get shot, nor do I think they should get some poetic mention like they were some innocent child. I don't care about thugs regardless of what color they are.

The poem goes on about how scared black youths should be, when most of the violence they face is from each other.

Fuck, you know what would happen to my pastey white ass if I walked through a ghetto in the city? I run a high risk of being shot, stabbed, and robbed just because the color of my skin.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Patlal]
    #18857372 - 09/18/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
That was touching. That was the truth



Another foreigner opining on the US race situation.






:blewmeanie:

Its very easy to have an opinion, your broadcast your problems around the world.



You think what you see on TV and read in the press has any bearing on reality?  Oh you kidder, you.  Hollywood and the press are completely invested in finding victims.  If they can't find them they invent them.  That is how the make their money.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch] * 2
    #18857373 - 09/18/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What I see is that we're barely one generation out from the time where the racists were forced, kicking and screaming, to treat people of color with equality. It's not difficult to understand that remnants of systemic racism still exist today.

But my point is that rather than saying 'Huh, maybe growing up black in this country is difficult, I wonder what we could do to help those people', you all jump straight to finding excuses to say 'Fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem.'




"you all jump straight to finding excuses to say "fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem."

You're making stuff up dude, where in this thread did anyone say any of those things?


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857378 - 09/18/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What I see is that we're barely one generation out from the time where the racists were forced, kicking and screaming, to treat people of color with equality. It's not difficult to understand that remnants of systemic racism still exist today.

But my point is that rather than saying 'Huh, maybe growing up black in this country is difficult, I wonder what we could do to help those people', you all jump straight to finding excuses to say 'Fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem.'




Any time we try to help them it's taken as an admission of guilt. Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.

How do you recommend we help them? If the media stopped all portrayals of violent or materialistic black culture the black community would cry racist censorship. We can't force their fathers to stay with the family. You come in here criticizing everyone for not talking about solutions, yet you offer none of your own.


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    #18857391 - 09/18/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

im curious on your opinion on the issue, you made a statement earlier on that they should fear each other more than cops

and then you just rag on people for their opinions being wrong


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18857398 - 09/18/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

fact: the poor black people of africa were sold to the whites by the rich black people of africa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade#European_colonization_and_slavery_in_West_Africa


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    #18857412 - 09/18/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

fact: playing centuries old blame game dosnt benefit anyone, white or black


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    #18857429 - 09/18/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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RiderOnTheStorm said: Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.

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Unfounded nonsense. Welfare is what allowed my mom to start her own business rather than working minimum wage jobs to pay for our food. Welfare is what allowed me to focus on schoolwork and go to college rather than working at a young age and failing out of school. Welfare helps MANY people improve themselves because it frees up time and mental resources that would otherwise go towards basic survival. You're buying into the totally false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people - and there are shitty people who abuse EVERY possible humanitarian effort so it doesn't make sense to say we shouldn't help people because one or two people out of a sample size abuse the help.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18857443 - 09/18/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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hidenseek1 said:
fact: playing centuries old blame game dosnt benefit anyone, white or black



people have a long history of fucking each other over. its not a race thing, however i cant think of any other culture of people who have enslaved and sold their own people

oh wait, america has done that!


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18857447 - 09/18/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My comment had nothing to do with understanding "what it's like to be a person of a different race." I simply commented on the fact that the author of the poem felt the need to mention Trayvon Martin as some sort of innocent child who was hunted down. It's a load of bullshit and discredits the work.




The fact that you think that that one line mention of a name discredits the work shows how little you understand of the black community's perspective on that event, and how little you understood of the larger point of the piece.
It's not about how much fear they should feel. It's in a way saying that much of the problems are caused by that fear.

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You come in here criticizing everyone for not talking about solutions, yet you offer none of your own.



I explained my point. The first step to a solution is admitting there's a problem. I think it would go a long way if we changed the perception that 'this is just the way it is'.


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    #18857472 - 09/18/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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RiderOnTheStorm said: Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.

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Unfounded nonsense. Welfare is what allowed my mom to start her own business rather than working minimum wage jobs to pay for our food. Welfare is what allowed me to focus on schoolwork and go to college rather than working at a young age and failing out of school. Welfare helps MANY people improve themselves because it frees up time and mental resources that would otherwise go towards basic survival. You're buying into the totally false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people - and there are shitty people who abuse EVERY possible humanitarian effort so it doesn't make sense to say we shouldn't help people because one or two people out of a sample size abuse the help.



Joie if I was given free money beacause I was poor you think I would start a business hell no I would sit around and get drunk. I believe the majority of humans are lazy and the best way to correct this human defect is to make it so that working brings in more money not welfare.


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    #18857498 - 09/18/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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im curious on your opinion on the issue, you made a statement earlier on that they should fear each other more than cops

and then you just rag on people for their opinions being wrong




The majority of the pain and inequality in the black culture is self inflicted, the failure of black leadership is not acknowledging the real problem. Until they admit to themselves that much of their destiny is in their own hands, and instead of always blaming others for their ill fate, they take self responsibility for their behavior, until that happens nothing will improve.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch] * 3
    #18857508 - 09/18/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What about the white peoples ' community and how they felt when that baseball player was shot dead by two black boys and a white guy because they were "bored"?

Much different story though, Trayvon was shot because he attacked Zimmerman. That white guy killed was out jogging.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Envix]
    #18857532 - 09/18/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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hidenseek1 said:
fact: playing centuries old blame game dosnt benefit anyone, white or black



people have a long history of fucking each other over. its not a race thing, however i cant think of any other culture of people who have enslaved and sold their own people

oh wait, america has done that!




if you consider different tribes of native the same people, they took slaves i believe

also back when people spoke latin(i think rome) the slave was part of the family, not sure where they got their slaves though


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    #18857539 - 09/18/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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RiderOnTheStorm said: Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.

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Unfounded nonsense. Welfare is what allowed my mom to start her own business rather than working minimum wage jobs to pay for our food. Welfare is what allowed me to focus on schoolwork and go to college rather than working at a young age and failing out of school. Welfare helps MANY people improve themselves because it frees up time and mental resources that would otherwise go towards basic survival. You're buying into the totally false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people - and there are shitty people who abuse EVERY possible humanitarian effort so it doesn't make sense to say we shouldn't help people because one or two people out of a sample size abuse the help.



ORLY?  Are you going to deny that there are millions of welfare queens with several children, by choice, by different absent fathers?  One or two?  Methinks it is you living in a fantasyland.  Long term permanent wards of the state producing progeny that is also likely to be long term wards of the state.

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    #18857545 - 09/18/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know many college students who go to school and have jobs......

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    #18857551 - 09/18/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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RiderOnTheStorm said: Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.




Unfounded nonsense. Welfare is what allowed my mom to start her own business rather than working minimum wage jobs to pay for our food. Welfare is what allowed me to focus on schoolwork and go to college rather than working at a young age and failing out of school. Welfare helps MANY people improve themselves because it frees up time and mental resources that would otherwise go towards basic survival. You're buying into the totally false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people - and there are shitty people who abuse EVERY possible humanitarian effort so it doesn't make sense to say we shouldn't help people because one or two people out of a sample size abuse the help.




That's a joke.

I've worked with a lot of low income homebuyers and renters over the years and have seen how common it is to abuse every facet of government assistance possible to boost one's income while selling drugs, using drugs, working for cash on the side, or just not working at all. It was the most frequent form of income I saw listed on credit applications for years.

I know a single black male who gets $6,000 a month from the government in the form of disability checks (not a veteran or actually disabled), Rx prescriptions he sells, food stamps, welfare checks for his kids, and unemployment insurance as often as possible. He then sells weed on top of this.

I don't think you can reasonably deny that there is a prevalent subculture especially found within the black community that takes pride in and feels entitled to cheating government assistance programs, if you can it's only because you've spent too much time sitting in classrooms and not enough time sitting in offices. My assertion was only that welfare, handouts and affirmative action are largely detrimental to the advancement of our black communities, not that everyone who uses welfare is scamming the system or that welfare should be abolished entirely.



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857554 - 09/18/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My comment had nothing to do with understanding "what it's like to be a person of a different race." I simply commented on the fact that the author of the poem felt the need to mention Trayvon Martin as some sort of innocent child who was hunted down. It's a load of bullshit and discredits the work.




The fact that you think that that one line mention of a name discredits the work shows how little you understand of the black community's perspective on that event, and how little you understood of the larger point of the piece.
It's not about how much fear they should feel. It's in a way saying that much of the problems are caused by that fear.





It completely discredits it, and if you don't see that then you are blind.

I feel like you aren't really replying to my actual posts, rather just going "Nu-uh!" without providing any real substance. I believe I understand the black community's perspective on the Trayvon Martin incident pretty well.

Where did I suggest the poem is about how much fear a black youth should feel? Because I didn't.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18857555 - 09/18/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So tired of hearing about fucking Trayvon :lol:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18857561 - 09/18/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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B_BOY said:
blacks used to have slaves also, but i am sure you wouldn't know that considering you bias opinion on white people.

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False it was white corruption that caused this Africa was a UTOPIA before the white man came and raped the land



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857563 - 09/18/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My comment had nothing to do with understanding "what it's like to be a person of a different race." I simply commented on the fact that the author of the poem felt the need to mention Trayvon Martin as some sort of innocent child who was hunted down. It's a load of bullshit and discredits the work.




The fact that you think that that one line mention of a name discredits the work shows how little you understand of the black community's perspective on that event, and how little you understood of the larger point of the piece.




I understand their perspective perfectly.  It is based in a culture of grievance and lies, especially about what a punk Trayvon was.
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It's not about how much fear they should feel. It's in a way saying that much of the problems are caused by that fear.




They are fearful of the wrong thing.  They should be afraid of each other.
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You come in here criticizing everyone for not talking about solutions, yet you offer none of your own.



I explained my point. The first step to a solution is admitting there's a problem. I think it would go a long way if we changed the perception that 'this is just the way it is'.




I don't think you understand what the problem is.  It is NOT systemic or personal Caucasian racism against Negroes.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #18857566 - 09/18/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18857574 - 09/18/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18857576 - 09/18/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I always do.:grin:


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    #18857580 - 09/18/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Apparently I already +5'd you. So pretend its a +10


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: twighead]
    #18857582 - 09/18/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Okay, then tell me what the poem is about.


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    #18857599 - 09/18/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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RiderOnTheStorm said: Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.

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Unfounded nonsense. Welfare is what allowed my mom to start her own business rather than working minimum wage jobs to pay for our food. Welfare is what allowed me to focus on schoolwork and go to college rather than working at a young age and failing out of school. Welfare helps MANY people improve themselves because it frees up time and mental resources that would otherwise go towards basic survival. You're buying into the totally false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people - and there are shitty people who abuse EVERY possible humanitarian effort so it doesn't make sense to say we shouldn't help people because one or two people out of a sample size abuse the help.




"false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people'

Is that what they are teaching in your classrooms today?  Ask for a refund, you have been ripped off.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857604 - 09/18/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Okay, then tell me what the poem is about.



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857605 - 09/18/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Okay, then tell me what the poem is about.



The poem is about how young black males are treated in American society as problems instead of people.

"We both know too many
Black boys who disappeared.
Names lost.
Know too many Trayvon Martins

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and tell him to be strong when we both know
black boys are murdered every day, simply
for standing up for themselves?"

So yes, the entire poem is discredited by suggesting Trayvon was just "standing up for himself" when he attacked a person for simply following him.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Everlong]
    #18857610 - 09/18/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18857629 - 09/18/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Almost all young Negro males murdered are murdered by other Negro males




Many on this site don't even know this fact, somehow this information has remained a secret for this generation, this is what "political correctness" produces.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Everlong]
    #18857642 - 09/18/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's a whine.



So children growing up living in fear is something they should shut up about and just deal with?

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The poem is about how young black males are treated in American society as problems instead of people.
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So yes, the entire poem is discredited by suggesting Trayvon was just "standing up for himself" when he attacked a person for simply following him.




Points for using examples, but I think you're seriously limiting your understanding of the piece by getting hung up on Trayvon. It is about much more than that.

Can we at least agree that, real or not, the feeling that black youth are being persecuted by authority is a problem?


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857691 - 09/18/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not when the black youth are committing more crimes, no. It goes with the territory. Young black culture promotes breaking the law openly and it glorifies doing time and not giving a fuck.

When I grew up fear of the cops was a healthy thing that prevented us from making stupid decisions, or at least it drove us to be more discrete about them. When I pass cops on the road, I sit up a bit straighter and turn my music down a bit if I'm in the city. Where's my fucking poem?


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    #18857717 - 09/18/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:justnotright:

...and in no time at all a thread starting with an evocative poem slides downward to become a festering cesspool of messageboard scat.

it seems like anything goes when there's black people involved in the forum topic. Throw mention of black people in the mix and the victim is attacked, white people angrily state what black people should think and do and, on a board hit hard by the War On Drugs, the police and the criminal justice system is defended as fair and just.

What a mess.

A poem was posted about existing problems in the black community and as a result the black race itself is under unrelenting attack in this topic, there's no getting around that. What an ungodly mess, the public response strongly underlines to how big the problem is, even here.

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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
    #18857742 - 09/18/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If only we could all just feel like the guy in the bottom right hand corner.....


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857746 - 09/18/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
It's a whine.



So children growing up living in fear is something they should shut up about and just deal with?




And where did that child learn to fear the PoPo?  From his culture of criminals.  There is a good reason why Negro males are viewed with suspicion and it is because of their behavior, not the police's.
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The poem is about how young black males are treated in American society as problems instead of people.
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So yes, the entire poem is discredited by suggesting Trayvon was just "standing up for himself" when he attacked a person for simply following him.




Points for using examples, but I think you're seriously limiting your understanding of the piece by getting hung up on Trayvon. It is about much more than that.

Can we at least agree that, real or not, the feeling that black youth are being persecuted by authority is a problem?




The feeling is the problem, not the persecution which is a fiction perpetuated by race baiting pimps like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson Jr and Barack Hussein Obama.  By the way, it is only male Negro youth who are "persecuted". 


Here was something in Times today, not particularly about race but it's there, which I disagree with almost in its entirety except that it exposes a revealing fact that runs counter to the argument being made.  Or rather doesn't expose but glosses over.

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And SNAP benefits not only reduce food insecurity and poverty this year; they also reduce poverty in the next generation. Recent research that tracked children into adulthood found that families’ access to food stamps improved their infants’ health and birth weight. Children who benefited from the program later posted better health, higher educational attainment, less heart disease and, for women, greater earnings and less reliance on welfare as adults.





Note that the benefits do not extend to male children into adulthood.  You don't suppose that has anything to do with growing up without a father, do you?  Girls can thrive without fathers but boys cannot.  And who makes that decision disproportionately?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/29/don-lemon/cnns-don-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/

This is not whitey's fault.  Look in the mirror, uncle, and look at your nephew's daddy, wherever he is.


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    #18857752 - 09/18/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't know you could tell somebody was poor with out asking must be like how I know you're all rich kids.


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    #18857754 - 09/18/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, wouldn't it qualify as insane for you to think that your 500th post about racial conflict in America, a topic you clearly have no firsthand knowledge of, would suddenly convince everyone to accept the white guilt that you push?


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    #18857777 - 09/18/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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:justnotright:

...and in no time at all a thread starting with an evocative poem slides downward to become a festering cesspool of messageboard scat.



You don't like the conversation so it is shitty? :rolleyes:

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it seems like anything goes when there's black people involved in the forum topic.



Anything goes, huh? The thread doesn't seem to be breaking any pub rules. Especially considering you are the white guilt admin, you would jump to ban in a millisecond if someone broke the pub rules in this thread.
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Throw mention of black people in the mix and the victim is attacked,



Who is the victim and who's post are you referring to?
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white people angrily state what black people should think and do



Just because I'm white my opinion doesn't matter? Black people tell white society what to do all the time. A different perspective doesn't hurt.
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and, on a board hit hard by the War On Drugs, the police and the criminal justice system is defended as fair and just.



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    #18857794 - 09/18/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18857796 - 09/18/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The funny part about this thread is that every post you guys make just goes on to repeatedly prove my point- You lack empathy and understanding for other people's situations, and in fact work very hard to avoid seeing it from their perspective. You seem incapable of speaking about this subject in a way other than to defensively shift any possible blame off of yourself.

How about you drop all the bullshit racial blame you've repeated to yourselves and say it with me:
  It is so sad that a 5 year old is afraid of the police just because of the color of his skin.


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    #18857797 - 09/18/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah I'm rolling my eyes at Wiccans comment.



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    #18857803 - 09/18/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18857809 - 09/18/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"Their fault not mine"

It's more complicated than that.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
    #18857817 - 09/18/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The funny part about this thread is that every post you guys make just goes on to repeatedly prove my point- You lack empathy and understanding for other people's situations, and in fact work very hard to avoid seeing it from their perspective. You seem incapable of speaking about this subject in a way other than to defensively shift any possible blame off of yourself.

How about you drop all the bullshit racial blame you've repeated to yourselves and say it with me:
  It is so sad that a 5 year old is afraid of the police just because of the color of his skin.





It is sad that a 5 year old was been TAUGHT to be afraid of the police because of the color of his skin.


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    #18857818 - 09/18/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why should I care about other peoples lives? I'm trying to live my own I'm trying to get by. Everyone should fend for themselves, why do we have to hold their hands and apologize because others treat them like shit? We all get treated like crap by others. Get over it.


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    #18857820 - 09/18/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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:justnotright:

...and in no time at all a thread starting with an evocative poem slides downward to become a festering cesspool of messageboard scat.




Scat?  If anything was scat it is your posting yet another race baiting piece of ignorant lies.  Did you really thiknk we were going to take that bullshit lying down?
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it seems like anything goes when there's black people involved in the forum topic. Throw mention of black people in the mix and the victim is attacked, white people angrily state what black people should think and do and, on a board hit hard by the War On Drugs, the police and the criminal justice system is defended as fair and just.




When the subject is how the young male Negro has been made a victim of unfair scrutiny I will vehemently and fervently deny that it is the least bit unfair and will continue to point out that you have exactly zero understanding of race in America.  The simple fact of the matter is that they are fucking themselves even with all the preferences they have been given for 50 years.  Stop and frisk has disproportionately saved the lives of young Negro males.
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What a mess.




The mess is your lack of knowledge about race in America and the causes and effects of fatherless young Negro males
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A poem was posted about existing problems in the black community and as a result the black race itself is under unrelenting attack in this topic, there's no getting around that. What an ungodly mess, the public response strongly underlines to how big the problem is, even here.




The attack is because you do not understand the problem.  It is not persecution of young Negro males by the authorities.  It is fatherlessness and the violence that young Negro males visit upon each other.  Not all of us are ignorant.  You are the problem, you and all the other excuse makers.
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Lynnch I like how you think, keep the spirit.




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    #18857825 - 09/18/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yea it seems blacks have developed a victim mentality in which personal responsibility no longer exists and they can just blame others for all there problems. There is no more systematic racism its gone and they have nothing to blame but themselves now.


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    #18857828 - 09/18/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The funny part about this thread is that every post you guys make just goes on to repeatedly prove my point- You lack empathy and understanding for other people's situations, and in fact work very hard to avoid seeing it from their perspective. You seem incapable of speaking about this subject in a way other than to defensively shift any possible blame off of yourself.

How about you drop all the bullshit racial blame you've repeated to yourselves and say it with me:
  It is so sad that a 5 year old is afraid of the police just because of the color of his skin.




It isn't because of the color of his skin.  It is because he has shitty parents.


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    #18857830 - 09/18/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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"Their fault not mine"

It's more complicated than that.




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    #18857831 - 09/18/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What I see is that we're barely one generation out from the time where the racists were forced, kicking and screaming, to treat people of color with equality. It's not difficult to understand that remnants of systemic racism still exist today.




Actually it was 50 years ago and there is no systemic racism.




That's not quite true. The Federal and State governments practice racism all the time.

Affirmative action.


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    #18857833 - 09/18/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That 5 year old is afraid of the cops because his FAMILY taught him to be thatcway



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Lynnch said:
The funny part about this thread is that every post you guys make just goes on to repeatedly prove my point- You lack empathy and understanding for other people's situations, and in fact work very hard to avoid seeing it from their perspective. You seem incapable of speaking about this subject in a way other than to defensively shift any possible blame off of yourself.

How about you drop all the bullshit racial blame you've repeated to yourselves and say it with me:
  It is so sad that a 5 year old is afraid of the police just because of the color of his skin.





It is sad that a 5 year old was been TAUGHT to be afraid of the police because of the color of his skin.



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The funny part about this thread is that every post you guys make just goes on to repeatedly prove my point- You lack empathy and understanding for other people's situations, and in fact work very hard to avoid seeing it from their perspective. You seem incapable of speaking about this subject in a way other than to defensively shift any possible blame off of yourself.

How about you drop all the bullshit racial blame you've repeated to yourselves and say it with me:
  It is so sad that a 5 year old is afraid of the police just because of the color of his skin.




It isn't because of the color of his skin.  It is because he has shitty parents.




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    #18857834 - 09/18/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You seem incapable of speaking about this subject in a way other than to defensively shift any possible blame off of yourself.





What? I'm not to blame for any issues in black youth culture, so I'm not sure what you mean by "defensively shift any possible blame off of yourself." :lol:


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    #18857841 - 09/18/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

what do you say to the fact that a large cause of that fatherlessness is due to the disproportionate incarceration rates of black males in the USofA, and that the leading cause of incarceration for black males are non-violent drug offenses?


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    #18857845 - 09/18/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The perpetuation of ignorance in any society/culture/community/neighborhood be it any race is part of (if not the main problem) the problem(s). Parents/those who raise/teach the children at home are to blame or praise for the child. BUT after a certain point the child makes its own decisions and can only be blamed themselves for any action(s) that are negative or positive.


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    #18857846 - 09/18/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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what do you say to the fact that a large cause of that fatherlessness is due to the disproportionate incarceration rates of black males in the USofA, and that the leading cause of incarceration for black males are non-violent drug offenses?



The war on drugs is fucked for sure but it dosen't help that the black community sometimes advocates criminal activity blacks commit a higher proportion of crimes than other races in the US. Until there community embraces personal responsibility they will continue to have issues.


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    #18857850 - 09/18/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No but your assumedly white and thus oppress black people.


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    #18857852 - 09/18/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It is sad that a 5 year old was been TAUGHT to be afraid of the police because of the color of his skin.



And why pray tell would a family teach their child to be afraid of the police? Could it have anything to do with how they and their parents were treated by police?

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Why should I care about other peoples lives? I'm trying to live my own I'm trying to get by. Everyone should fend for themselves, why do we have to hold their hands and apologize because others treat them like shit? We all get treated like crap by others. Get over it.



No. I believe in a better world. Just because you don't give a fuck doesn't mean I have to stop caring.

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When the subject is how the young male Negro has been made a victim of unfair scrutiny I will vehemently and fervently deny that it is the least bit unfair and will continue to point out that you have exactly zero understanding of race in America.  The simple fact of the matter is that they are fucking themselves even with all the preferences they have been given for 50 years.  Stop and frisk has disproportionately saved the lives of young Negro males.



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    #18857865 - 09/18/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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what do you say to the fact that a large cause of that fatherlessness is due to the disproportionate incarceration rates of black males in the USofA, and that the leading cause of incarceration for black males are non-violent drug offenses?



The war on drugs is fucked for sure but it dosen't help that the black community sometimes advocates criminal activity blacks commit a higher proportion of crimes than other races in the US. Until there community embraces personal responsibility they will continue to have issues.



definitely that is part of a solution

i'm just pointing out that the issue has systemic roots as well
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/64#sthash.ryCTOTt4.dpbs


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what do you say to the fact that a large cause of that fatherlessness is due to the disproportionate incarceration rates of black males in the USofA, and that the leading cause of incarceration for black males are non-violent drug offenses?




I don't think you have that quite right.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate#US_racial_demographics

In 2009 there were 840,000 Negro males in prison.  There is a shit ton more single mother Negro families than that.  Further I do not believe that most of the incarcerated Negroes are there for drug offenses and many of the actual convictions are the result of plea bargains that actually do not account for anywhere near the number of crimes actually committed.


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    #18857895 - 09/18/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Joie if I was given free money beacause I was poor you think I would start a business hell no I would sit around and get drunk.




So you're saying the only reason you'd get up off the couch and work is because you're threatened with starvation if you don't? What's wrong with you?


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    #18857926 - 09/18/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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When the subject is how the young male Negro has been made a victim of unfair scrutiny I will vehemently and fervently deny that it is the least bit unfair and will continue to point out that you have exactly zero understanding of race in America.  The simple fact of the matter is that they are fucking themselves even with all the preferences they have been given for 50 years.  Stop and frisk has disproportionately saved the lives of young Negro males.



Said the white male business owner.




I have had to compete in business against preferred contractors and they receive preferential treatment in college admissions and funding.  It is also an irrefutable fact that W_S knows nothing about race in America.

Another fact.  Stop and Frisk decreased the amount of young Negro male murder victims.  Are you trying to discredit my facts by pointing out my race?  Bigot.


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Joie if I was given free money beacause I was poor you think I would start a business hell no I would sit around and get drunk.




So you're saying the only reason you'd get up off the couch and work is because you're threatened with starvation if you don't? What's wrong with you?



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    #18858177 - 09/18/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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what do you say to the fact that a large cause of that fatherlessness is due to the disproportionate incarceration rates of black males in the USofA, and that the leading cause of incarceration for black males are non-violent drug offenses?




Well, they also COMMIT a disproportionate amount of the crimes. 

In most cases, the non-violent drug offenses is in addition to previous convictions (theft, assault, ect) that leads to incarceration. It was not just the drug offense that led to imprisonment, it was the conviction history.

The "war of drugs" does not help, but it's not sole reason either, white people also get convicted for drug offenses.


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    #18858319 - 09/18/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.







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    #18858661 - 09/18/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea it seems blacks have developed a victim mentality in which personal responsibility no longer exists and they can just blame others for all there problems.



:woah: This is way too general to be valid point.  I guarantee you there is a portion of all people on this planet who have this mentality.  However, because of the media focusing on certain events some races are more publicized than others.  Yes there were blacks who riot and loot when a racial event makes them feel like they can do nothing to help themselves, but there are also families who push even harder for their kids to go to school, work hard, and succeed in a way that they can positively contribute to the community and help to improve society at large.

I can personally say when I am involved in a traffic stop, until I mention I'm in college, I am regarded with severe suspicion by the police.  One time they used a flashlight to shine into my car windows and saw a plastic bag from a sandwich, assumed it was weed, pulled me out of the car and searched my entire car and found nothing.  Didn't even apologize. 

I'm not saying I'm a victim, I'm just saying that there's some stuff you have to deal with if you look a certain way.  Sometimes it's not even the skin color, it may just be the way you look.  Why does everyone have to assume things about people just based on their appearance? That's the real problem in society.


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    #18858727 - 09/18/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe the mindset of this child is entering a war, is exactly what perpetuates it.


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Maybe the mindset of this child is entering a war, is exactly what perpetuates it.




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    #18858825 - 09/18/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Young males are ALL under suspicion.  It isn't just Negroes.


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Maybe the mindset of this child is entering a war, is exactly what perpetuates it.



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    #18858830 - 09/18/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18858842 - 09/18/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Everlong, qman, luvdemshrooms, qman, Gilgamesh18, zappaisgod, VivaLaMushie said:
I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.










You two are assuming because we are white that we are privileged. That's racist.


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    #18858861 - 09/18/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.










You two are assuming because we are white that we are privileged. That's racist.



The only racial category I can think of that has entrenched systemic government privilege is the non-Caucasian non-Asian one.


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    #18858871 - 09/18/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.










You two are assuming because we are white that we are privileged. That's racist.




When he prejudges it's "OK", I call it hypocrisy.


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    #18859064 - 09/18/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You two are assuming because we are white that we are privileged. That's racist.




You're all so white (I am too), you don't even  understand what privilege black people are talking about (I don't, fully). 



It's not a privilege of money, or of the ability to drink from a certain fountain or drive a certain car.  It's the privilege to avoid inherently negative stereotypes before doing anything to warrant the application of a specifically negative stereotype.  That's as accurately as I can describe it.  And I'm not sure it hits the mark.

I'm not here to debate, because it's clear all of your minds are not open to such an idea.  You have your ingrained viewpoints - I get it.  I used to hold them.  Then I got battered in the head enough by my smart black friends - and now i see a little of the light.  Just because I can see the light, doesn't mean I can feel the heat.  I'll never feel the heat, i'm white.


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    #18859094 - 09/18/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Then move to AZ during the summer time. You'll definately feel the heat.


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    #18859098 - 09/18/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

incredibly intelligent response.


definitely on par with what i've seen in this thread. :thumbup:


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    #18859143 - 09/18/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18859147 - 09/18/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

that's what people do when they run out of serious things to say.  I think a few posts you up were (wrongly) calling me a hypocrite.  I explained my position, in as much detail as I could, as to why none of you  have any idea what the fuck you're talking about.

You came back with dribble. 

#shroomerylogic


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    #18859151 - 09/18/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

All this having been said...


Wiccan, you do not, and can not, understand race relations in America.  You've never lived in a rough american neighborhood populated mostly by low-income blacks and black families.  That's all i'm sayin.  I have.  And I know why everyone in this thread is responding as ignorantly as they are.


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    #18859161 - 09/18/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

while i'm sure you have a big butt, i'll do nothing of the sort.


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You two are assuming because we are white that we are privileged. That's racist.




You're all so white (I am too), you don't even  understand what privilege black people are talking about (I don't, fully). 



It's not a privilege of money, or of the ability to drink from a certain fountain or drive a certain car.  It's the privilege to avoid inherently negative stereotypes before doing anything to warrant the application of a specifically negative stereotype.  That's as accurately as I can describe it.  And I'm not sure it hits the mark.

I'm not here to debate, because it's clear all of your minds are not open to such an idea.  You have your ingrained viewpoints - I get it.  I used to hold them.  Then I got battered in the head enough by my smart black friends - and now i see a little of the light.  Just because I can see the light, doesn't mean I can feel the heat.  I'll never feel the heat, i'm white.





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    #18859174 - 09/18/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I get the fact that blacks are looked at constantly as if they've done something wrong, even when they haven't. I cant change the thinking of those people.


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    #18859187 - 09/18/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm glad you caught a glimpse of it. You are now officially part of the "white guilt" crew, prepare for the onslaught.




I've been a member of the white guilt crew long before I caught a glimpse.  White guilt is inherent these days.  It comes from PCness


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    #18859242 - 09/18/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Wiccan, you do not, and can not, understand race relations in America.




Guess what, 99% of Americans does not understand the exact nuance of it. No one in this thread gets it. I know a lot more about race relations in general and the American situation than most, this by having studied it, scrutinized it and seen it from many sides whereas most simply hardly spend thought looking into it and when they do seldom leave their well defended trench.

I'm attacked directly by a group of naysayers who grossly oversimplify my nuances to have it fit their mould, but I know a great deal more than what I post about, I just choose not to go there because I know the tactics of the naysayers, its futile to engage them in discussion.

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You've never lived in a rough american neighborhood populated mostly by low-income blacks and black families.  That's all i'm sayin.




Guess what, almost no one in this thread has. Should they be silenced too? I grew up in multicultural surroundings myself, i'm no stranger to the issues that transcend borders.

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I know why everyone in this thread is responding as ignorantly as they are.




I do too, and most of it has nothing to do with them being American or having greater insight in the situation. In fact, quite the contrary.

I know the limits of what I know and the limits of my personal experience. One doesnt have to be an insider to see many of the forces that are in play and in fact outsiders can bring viewpoints to the table that the ones in the trenches are too caught up for to notice.


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    #18859250 - 09/18/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

People need to worry about themselves.

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    #18859256 - 09/18/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Responding to:  Wiccan

valid.  you understand race relations in america like a sober clinical psychologist understands the effects of LSD and other hallucinogens. 


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    #18859258 - 09/18/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

WTF was Stillnox thread about? I read it and couldn't really connect the dots or make any sense of it. He's usually pretty articulate but he lost me :shrug:


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    #18859267 - 09/18/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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WTF was Stillnox thread about? I read it and couldn't really connect the dots or make any sense of it. He's usually pretty articulate but he lost me :shrug:



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The pedophile one?


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    #18859282 - 09/18/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah did you read it :lol:


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    #18859306 - 09/18/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, sort of lol lets not talk about pedophiles though.

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    #18859324 - 09/18/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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People need to worry about themselves.

Period.





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    #18859397 - 09/18/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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VivaLaMushie said:
You two are assuming because we are white that we are privileged. That's racist.




You're all so white (I am too), you don't even  understand what privilege black people are talking about (I don't, fully). 



It's not a privilege of money, or of the ability to drink from a certain fountain or drive a certain car.  It's the privilege to avoid inherently negative stereotypes before doing anything to warrant the application of a specifically negative stereotype.  That's as accurately as I can describe it.  And I'm not sure it hits the mark.

I'm not here to debate, because it's clear all of your minds are not open to such an idea.  You have your ingrained viewpoints - I get it.  I used to hold them.  Then I got battered in the head enough by my smart black friends - and now i see a little of the light.  Just because I can see the light, doesn't mean I can feel the heat.  I'll never feel the heat, i'm white.




"It's the privilege to avoid inherently negative stereotypes before doing anything to warrent the application"

Even if this statement was true, what does it have to do with the self destructive behavior that permeates the black culture?

What does this have to do with black on black crime?  Having children that they can't afford?  Out of wedlock children?  Absentee fathers?  Fiscal irresponsibility?  Lack of educational ambitions?

Your white guilt theories are a failure, stop making excuses for controllable behavior.

"I can see the light" 

There is no light where your head is positioned the majority of the time. :smilingpuppy:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
    #18859416 - 09/18/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't know that negro was an appropriate term for the pub. Is colored acceptable as well?


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18859417 - 09/18/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Individuals are responsible for their own actions. I firmly stand by that statement and I'll personally attest to the validity of it. No white men are holding the black race down, contrary to what the popular opinion would have you believe.
Look at any racial group, and I'm sure you'll find plenty of prominent issues as far as cultural norms and behaviour. No one is forcing any group to do anything to another in this country.

It's all a matter of irresponsibility and an unwillingness to be held accountable for your own actions. That goes for any ethnic group, as we're all representatives of our respective racial backgrounds 

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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18859418 - 09/18/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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"It's the privilege to avoid inherently negative stereotypes before doing anything to warrent the application"

Even if this statement was true, what does it have to do with the self destructive behavior that permeates the black culture?

What does this have to do with black on black crime?  Having children that they can't afford?  Out of wedlock children?  Absentee fathers?  Fiscal irresponsibility?  Lack of educational ambitions?

Your white guilt theories are a failure, stop making excuses for controllable behavior.

"I can see the light" 

There is no light where your head is positioned the majority of the time. :smilingpuppy:





I said nothing about any of this.  All i did was quote:

"I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race. "

And then back up my claim when viva called me a racist and you called me a hypocrit.  Thanks for saying my statements were baseless based off of a bunch of things I didn't address, though.

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    #18859439 - 09/18/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

See that memes? thats what I meant.  All of a sudden you are now a white guilt theorist and on the receiving end of their ammo.


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    #18859449 - 09/18/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"Their" seems to be a whopping one or two people.
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    #18859461 - 09/18/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18859467 - 09/18/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Wiccan likes to make a huge deal out of lame ass shit.



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    #18859473 - 09/18/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Believe me, I am aware.
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    #18859480 - 09/18/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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See that memes? thats what I meant.  All of a sudden you are now a white guilt theorist and on the receiving end of their ammo.



Doesn't bother me, too much.  Irked me at first - as my arguments seemed well thought out and explained to the best of my abilities.  Then again, I should remember that when people are forced to challenge their own deep seeded viewpoints, they'll often ignore rationality and respond with things like:

"go to arizona and you'll feel the heat"; or
"I see you typed ABC, but what about DEFGHIJKLMNOP?  Clearly you have your head up your ass"


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    #18859482 - 09/18/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah he is sensitive. He takes things personally and then extends bans. Trust me, been there.

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    #18859485 - 09/18/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh well, there's always a few bad apples in the bunch.



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    #18859487 - 09/18/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh I know I'm bad, baby.


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    #18859500 - 09/18/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I get the fact that blacks are looked at constantly as if they've done something wrong, even when they haven't. I cant change the thinking of those people.



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I get the fact that blacks are looked at constantly as if they've done something wrong, even when they haven't. I cant change the thinking of those people.




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    #18859502 - 09/18/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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VivaLaMushie said:
You two are assuming because we are white that we are privileged. That's racist.




You're all so white (I am too), you don't even  understand what privilege black people are talking about (I don't, fully). 



It's not a privilege of money, or of the ability to drink from a certain fountain or drive a certain car.  It's the privilege to avoid inherently negative stereotypes before doing anything to warrant the application of a specifically negative stereotype.  That's as accurately as I can describe it.  And I'm not sure it hits the mark.


  Do you not understand that it is Affirmative Action that creates stereotypes and that real life demonstrable observations are not stereotyping?
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I'm not here to debate, because it's clear all of your minds are not open to such an idea.  You have your ingrained viewpoints - I get it.  I used to hold them.  Then I got battered in the head enough by my smart black friends - and now i see a little of the light.  Just because I can see the light, doesn't mean I can feel the heat.  I'll never feel the heat, i'm white.




It is complete bullshit to argue that just because I reject your idiotic premise that I am de facto not open to it.  Your stupid premise fails on its own merits after examination.  The facts are that young males suck and that young Negro males suck more than others.  You see no light since you are blinkered by PC moronity.

[Mod edit: No racism]


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    #18859509 - 09/18/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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All this having been said...


Wiccan, you do not, and can not, understand race relations in America.  You've never lived in a rough american neighborhood populated mostly by low-income blacks and black families.  That's all i'm sayin.  I have.  And I know why everyone in this thread is responding as ignorantly as they are.




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    #18859523 - 09/18/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The next black person I see, I'm going to go up to them, shake their hand and pat them on the back and apologize that they have such horrible lives.


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    #18859528 - 09/18/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do it.  Post story


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I would kill myself if I had to sit in a room with either one, honestly.

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    #18859563 - 09/18/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Wiccan, you do not, and can not, understand race relations in America.




Guess what, 99% of Americans does not understand the exact nuance of it. No one in this thread gets it. I know a lot more about race relations in general and the American situation than most, this by having studied it, scrutinized it and seen it from many sides whereas most simply hardly spend thought looking into it and when they do seldom leave their well defended trench.


  And you know this exactly how?
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I'm attacked directly by a group of naysayers who grossly oversimplify my nuances to have it fit their mould, but I know a great deal more than what I post about, I just choose not to go there because I know the tactics of the naysayers, its futile to engage them in discussion.


  You don't have nuance, you have ignorance.  You don't know a single fucking thing about race in America.
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You've never lived in a rough american neighborhood populated mostly by low-income blacks and black families.  That's all i'm sayin.




Guess what, almost no one in this thread has. Should they be silenced too? I grew up in multicultural surroundings myself, i'm no stranger to the issues that transcend borders.




I have lived in rough American neighborhoods populated by mostly Negro families.  They have nothing to do with your "multi culti" surroundings.  You have no clue about America.  I'm not even going to tell you to shut up anymore since you persistently make a fool of yourself.
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I know why everyone in this thread is responding as ignorantly as they are.




I do too, and most of it has nothing to do with them being American or having greater insight in the situation. In fact, quite the contrary.


  The only ignoramouses are the whiners and the foreigners.  If you think you have a case make it.  I'll chop you to bits.  It's my anniversary so I went out to dinner and miss most of the stupid.  I'm back.  Bring it if you got it. 
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I know the limits of what I know and the limits of my personal experience. One doesnt have to be an insider to see many of the forces that are in play and in fact outsiders can bring viewpoints to the table that the ones in the trenches are too caught up for to notice.




You most certainly do not know the limits of your understanding and if you are unclear on that I will be more than happy to supply them for your future silence.


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    #18859572 - 09/18/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The next black person I see, I'm going to go up to them, shake their hand and pat them on the back and apologize that they have such horrible lives.




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    #18859573 - 09/18/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

being part of a racial minority, i could say not normally, but sometimes people sometimes definitely look at you a little weird if you do something outside of what they think what normal people of that race would act.

sometimes i feel like some people are preprogrammed to perceive you a certain way and then they treat you that way as such, but not to an extreme extent. maybe ever so slightly for some.

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    #18859581 - 09/18/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Everybody makes expectations about everybody on first sight.  This is not a race based phenomenon.


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Everybody makes expectations about everybody on first sight.  This is not a race based phenomenon.



eh, yea. all part of the system of discrimination and prejudice of people who seem different from what you're usually used to.

EDIT: i hope you are not saying that race in some cases for some people does not add or at least find a foundation for how they first judge or perceive you


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Wiccan, you do not, and can not, understand race relations in America.  You've never lived in a rough american neighborhood populated mostly by low-income blacks and black families.  That's all i'm sayin.  I have.  And I know why everyone in this thread is responding as ignorantly as they are.





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    #18859609 - 09/18/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
Shouldn't black males be in more fear of other black males than of cops?  Statistically speaking, they should fear people of their own culture much more than of law enforcement.  The poem never addressed that truth.



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: setb]
    #18859613 - 09/18/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: memes] * 2
    #18859644 - 09/18/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You two are assuming because we are white that we are privileged. That's racist.




You're all so white (I am too), you don't even  understand what privilege black people are talking about (I don't, fully). 



It's not a privilege of money, or of the ability to drink from a certain fountain or drive a certain car.  It's the privilege to avoid inherently negative stereotypes before doing anything to warrant the application of a specifically negative stereotype.  That's as accurately as I can describe it.  And I'm not sure it hits the mark.

I'm not here to debate, because it's clear all of your minds are not open to such an idea.  You have your ingrained viewpoints - I get it.  I used to hold them.  Then I got battered in the head enough by my smart black friends - and now i see a little of the light.  Just because I can see the light, doesn't mean I can feel the heat.  I'll never feel the heat, i'm white.





"you don't understand what privilege black people are talking about" 

That's a huge assumption on your part, don't project what you think people do or don't understand, the PC rule book that you follow is full of misconceptions, and this "you don't understand" (because you are white) is one of them.

"You have your ingrained viewpoints - I get it. I used to hold them."

I find this statement insulting, are suggesting that you are more "enlightened" than other white people? Just because some of your black friends convinced you into white guilt, I would hardly called that being enlightened, maybe your "new" viewpoints are more ingrained than most?


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 3
    #18859669 - 09/18/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah I'm rolling my eyes at Wiccans comment.



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Yeah I'm rolling my eyes at Wiccans comment.



Wiccan the White Guilt admin has a nice ring to it :grin:




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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18859672 - 09/18/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I find this statement insulting, are suggesting that you are more "enlightened" than other white people?




As a British friend of mine says, thats a load of bollocks. Insulting, really now? With all your talk of your knowledge of the PC rule book that memes allegedly follows and your accusations that his friends instilled white guilt in him, who exactly is the one fancying himself more enlightened than others?

You're doing the very things you condemn so drop the insulted part :smile:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman] * 2
    #18859686 - 09/18/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

White guilt admin that doesn't know shit about living in America because he doesn't live here.

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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18859703 - 09/18/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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For me, if you respect me I respect you.




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White guilt admin that doesn't know shit about living in America because he doesn't live here.

Has a good ring to it.





You're full of shit. Where's your respect for me?


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    #18859712 - 09/18/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You had no respect for me this entire thread.

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    #18859721 - 09/18/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see where you get that idea.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
    #18859753 - 09/18/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I find this statement insulting, are suggesting that you are more "enlightened" than other white people?




As a British friend of mine says, thats a load of bollocks. Insulting, really now? With all your talk of your knowledge of the PC rule book that memes allegedly follows and your accusations that his friends instilled white guilt in him, who exactly is the one fancying himself more enlightened than others?

You're doing the very things you condemn so drop the insulted part :smile:




"who exactly is the one fancying himself more enlightened than others?"

An assertion he made about myself and other members, "don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race."

Another huge assumption on his part, generalizing that we don't "attempt to understand".


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18859797 - 09/18/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

people should just start judging people on an individual basis rather than race, stereotypes, and prejudice.

took me a while to get used to the feeling of vibing people instead of mainly projecting images, worrying about how i come off, or whatever to start to get a feel of who people are personally or at least in your personal space.

the people who are truly prejudice or especially ignorant will be wondering why you do not conform to the way you look and judge your personality again. the people who are more understanding will try to trace them and come up with a less unbiased answer.

sorry, not much broad view sociological vantage point but i tend to be more personal i guess.

EDIT: it does not matter if youre black white yellow or brown if you have lived all your life in a society where you spend the majority of your time with people of the same race and stick with them you will not get a feel what it is like in a multicultural, multirace society. even if you do the only way you will be fully integrated is to start talking to people and getting to know them on a more personal level.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
    #18859804 - 09/18/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But right in the same sentence you do it too:

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That's a huge assumption on your part, don't project what you think people do or don't understand, the PC rule book that you follow is full of misconceptions




You dont know the "PC rulebook that Memes follows", thats a huge assumption on your part. Memes isnt all that PC, he just at this instance takes an understanding stance, full of caveats of that he still not grasps the full ramifications, and immediately the guns get aimed at him and he starts getting blasted as if hes the age old enemy of PC-ness.  And calling what he says "white guilt" thats just nonsenses rhetoric to silence him without even listening to him.

This trench warfare mentality of attacking every word paralyzes the debate because it forces Camp A to say nothing Positive regarding Stance X and forces Camp B into saying nothing Negative. The result is that both sides come off as presenting twodimensional caricatures of their true beliefs


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
    #18859990 - 09/18/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:nodofunderstanding:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
    #18860463 - 09/18/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it's as if you are saying "life isn't black and white"


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    #18860479 - 09/18/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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it's as if you are saying "life isn't black and white"



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
    #18860551 - 09/18/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18860557 - 09/18/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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perfect gif



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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: memes]
    #18860675 - 09/18/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The next black person I see, I'm going to go up to them, shake their hand and pat them on the back and apologize that they have such horrible lives.



I can just imagine this in real life and this is it:uppercut:
:lol:

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I should remember that when people are forced to challenge their own deep seeded viewpoints, they'll often ignore rationality and respond with things like:

"go to arizona and you'll feel the heat"; or
"I see you typed ABC, but what about DEFGHIJKLMNOP?  Clearly you have your head up your ass"


Stupidity :shrug:




And clearly none of this can possibly apply to you.


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    #18860741 - 09/18/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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  Why does everyone have to assume things about people just based on their appearance? That's the real problem in society.










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And this is the mystery that will be forever unsolved until intelligence supercedes ignorance. Don't hold your breath people, it may be a loooooooong time before this ends.

Although I am going to go out on a limb here and say a lot of people (most?) do it to a certain extent whether they realize it or not. It seems to be ingrained within us by the people who raise us. It need s to stop at the source.

And I might add that a little bit of judging a person by looks can/may actually help save you from some danger at times.:shrug:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: memes]
    #18860757 - 09/18/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You two are assuming because we are white that we are privileged. That's racist.




You're all so white (I am too), you don't even  understand what privilege black people are talking about (I don't, fully). 



It's not a privilege of money, or of the ability to drink from a certain fountain or drive a certain car.  It's the privilege to avoid inherently negative stereotypes before doing anything to warrant the application of a specifically negative stereotype.  That's as accurately as I can describe it.  And I'm not sure it hits the mark.

I'm not here to debate, because it's clear all of your minds are not open to such an idea.  You have your ingrained viewpoints - I get it.  I used to hold them.  Then I got battered in the head enough by my smart black friends - and now i see a little of the light.  Just because I can see the light, doesn't mean I can feel the heat.  I'll never feel the heat, i'm white.




BUT, until the people that are thinking this way just stop doing so it is a perpetuation of negativity. Someone has to be the first one to just let it go. No matter how hard, or how excruciating it may seem, just let the shit go. This goes both ways for anyone.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #18861050 - 09/18/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Martin Luther king and trayvon Martin went through the same things.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante] * 2
    #18861513 - 09/19/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

White Guilt Wiccan :ilold:

I love how Memes and Wiccan are telling me what I know about the perspective of black people.

Please, go on and tell me more about myself. :cookiemonster:

EDIT: I also reported racism in a pub post like 10 hours ago, and it's still there. Thought Wiccan would jump on that shit like a dog on a steak.


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    #18861569 - 09/19/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Please, go on and tell me more about myself. :cookiemonster:





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    #18861586 - 09/19/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Please, go on and tell me more about myself. :cookiemonster:





You enjoy long walks on the beach, posting on the internet, and pictures of cats acting like dogs.



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    #18861623 - 09/19/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I get the fact that blacks are looked at constantly as if they've done something wrong, even when they haven't. I cant change the thinking of those people.



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I get the fact that blacks are looked at constantly as if they've done something wrong, even when they haven't. I cant change the thinking of those people.




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    #18861625 - 09/19/13 04:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Guys, please keep it civil and respectful.




So you knew the risk was enormous that the discussion would be anything but civil and respectful. And lo and behold, you find yourself locked into an altercation that revolves around a lack of respect for each other.

How can I be expected to consent to being made a mod again with this shit happening all the time? It's never anyone's fault in particular; it's just the predictable way in which certain topics consistently evolve into debates fueled by ad hominems and ill-disguised insults - and we are all part of it. All of us; users, admins mods; Americans, Europeans; white kids, black kids; rich kids, trailer park kids...there's no escaping it.

What is the point of having a moderator or an admin - or whatever function supposed to avoid discussions from going south - if the mod or admin is always, always part of it too, at one point or another?

This is not about me arguing that someone in particular fucks up. This is an argument for the fact that fuckups on this forum are collective, and the blame game simply doesn't work.

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    #18861909 - 09/19/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Guys, please keep it civil and respectful.




So you knew the risk was enormous that the discussion would be anything but civil and respectful. And lo and behold, you find yourself locked into an altercation that revolves around a lack of respect for each other.

How can I be expected to consent to being made a mod again with this shit happening all the time? It's never anyone's fault in particular; it's just the predictable way in which certain topics consistently evolve into debates fueled by ad hominems and ill-disguised insults - and we are all part of it. All of us; users, admins mods; Americans, Europeans; white kids, black kids; rich kids, trailer park kids...there's no escaping it.

What is the point of having a moderator or an admin - or whatever function supposed to avoid discussions from going south - if the mod or admin is always, always part of it too, at one point or another?

This is not about me arguing that someone in particular fucks up. This is an argument for the fact that fuckups on this forum are collective, and the blame game simply doesn't work.

/end rant. Please do continue the 'debate'.



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    #18862016 - 09/19/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why did you give up mod status anyway, Koraks?


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    #18862022 - 09/19/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

For several reasons, but one of them is that I never felt comfortable with pretending to be part of a solution while I am very much aware that often, I'm part of the problem as well. And I love being part of the problem :lol:


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    #18862029 - 09/19/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:ahahaha:

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    #18862141 - 09/19/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it's lovely to see a group of intelligent people be divided on such a subject which produces prejudice and ultimately keeps the melting pot of BULLSHIT churning.  You know that white kid back in the 60s who got his ass kicked by black kids for being white? He's always going to remember that savagery inflicted on him and have a special hatred for black males. The same goes for any type of racial division in history. Not only has trauma been inflicted individually on many people of different races by other races but on a cultural level as well. Whoever thought the idea of enslaving different cultures, turning them against one another for whatever mindless reason and then trying to build a civilization around it all, is a fucking idiot or a mastermind.

There is nothing to debate cause there's nothing for you to control but your personal actions. All this attention and debate on a fallacy could be better used for sociological solutions so in 100 years we don't have a 3rd generation mutation of fucking retards who despise something because it was culturally ingrained.


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    #18862179 - 09/19/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18862185 - 09/19/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Zappa banned for almost a month now probably cause of this shitty ass bait thread. What a joke. If you can't stand the heat then don't create the thread. Oh well at least now it was successful, right?


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I didnt ban him.


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    #18862262 - 09/19/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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    #18862308 - 09/19/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I didnt ban him.




It's quite clear at this point that your mod has a boner for zappa. There was nothing racist about that comment.

You guys are starting to appear to be no better than politicians that make law based on feelings as opposed to those who base law on fact.

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    #18862314 - 09/19/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I didnt ban him.




It's quite clear at this point that your mod has a boner for zappa. There was nothing racist about that comment.

You guys are starting to appear to be no better than politicians that make law based on feelings as opposed to those who base law on fact.

You can say all you want that it wasn't you. The fact that you allow it to stand makes a mockery of the site.




AGREED 100%

FREE ZAPPA FREE ZAPPA FREE ZAPPA


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18862321 - 09/19/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh god, it's the activists :lol:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: koraks] * 1
    #18862324 - 09/19/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Someones gotta stick up for what's right!


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18862325 - 09/19/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, you do that, haha :wink:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: koraks] * 1
    #18862327 - 09/19/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We gotta fight for our right to parrrttttyyyyy


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18862337 - 09/19/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:discofever:


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: koraks] * 1
    #18862386 - 09/19/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I love how they deleted the zappa is banned thread.

Pathetic.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18862388 - 09/19/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Past pathetic and well into spineless.

So... business as usual.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18862394 - 09/19/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yet this shitty thread remains although Wiccan knew how it would end up.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18862401 - 09/19/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Past pathetic and well into spineless.

So... business as usual.


:whathesaid:

All I can say is WOW, I guess I'm learning something today.


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman] * 1
    #18862412 - 09/19/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

All of this reminds me of junior high, kids speaking their minds and being real then you have the teachers who have a stick up their ass and want to threaten people with "punishment " to get their "point" across.

Mod deleted that thread then said whoever makes another one will get bannrd

Wtf is upppppppp


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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Asante]
    #18862469 - 09/19/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
It was a damn good poem, too bad the race of its author turned out to be an insurmountable barrier to having a proper discussion ensue here in The Pub. What a shame. Maybe in another 50 years?


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